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On August 12 2013 00:32 ZenDeX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:03 Asymmetric wrote:
Pretty surprised we haven't seen a brewmaster or disruptor all tournament. NS played a Disruptor against TongFu to counter Storm Spirit and Dark Seer but they lost. Heroes that are not played so far in TI3 are: Brewmaster, Bristleback, Death Prophet, Drow Ranger, Lycanthrope, Medusa, Meepo, Necrolyte, Night Stalker, Ogre Magi, Phantom Assassin, Riki, Skeleton King, Sniper, Troll Warlord, Tusk, and Witch Doctor.
In which game juggernaut was picked? I saw him banned once. Go for da pushing swordman!
edit :11 picked in fact xD
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On August 12 2013 00:59 Sparvy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team. Alliance has got more kills than any other team in this tournament and of 20 wins 10 of them have ended before 30 minutes. The idea that Alliance only plays defensive farming dota is a myth.
Alliance does playing defensive farming DotA with S4 leading the way by suppressing the enemy team almost single handily. You do realize that the reason why Alliance is winning every match is because S4 creates enough space for Akke and EGM to actually farm, which is very rare on supports at this TI right? Akke and EGM stack and get levels and items very quickly, much faster than any other team out there.
Alliance will only fight when they know they have a significant advantage. The only times I have ever seen Alliance really play aggressive is when they get Wisp, and that is extremely rare.
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On August 12 2013 01:10 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:59 Sparvy wrote:On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team. Alliance has got more kills than any other team in this tournament and of 20 wins 10 of them have ended before 30 minutes. The idea that Alliance only plays defensive farming dota is a myth. Alliance does playing defensive farming DotA with S4 leading the way by suppressing the enemy team almost single handily. You do realize that the reason why Alliance is winning every match is because S4 creates enough space for Akke and EGM to actually farm, which is very rare on supports at this TI right? Akke and EGM stack and get levels and items very quickly, much faster than any other team out there. Alliance will only fight when they know they have a significant advantage. The only times I have ever seen Alliance really play aggressive is when they get Wisp, and that is extremely rare. You're confusing aggression with stupidity.
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I don't get people whining about Alliance play style. I love to see perfect execution, that is fun to watch. When you're watching pros play classic sports or e-sports, you're not looking for "hey lets do stupid shit because it will be fun, we could only lose 1.4mil!", you're looking at pro plays and that includes controlling a game from start to finish with tactics and plays.
And to the people that hope Alliance will lose... I can't see any other team in this tournament that deserves the title any more than Alliance. They got almost a perfect record throughout the tournament, what more can you ask for?
I hope there will be tense games but I will be rooting for Alliance just because they simply play better than any other team atm.
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On August 12 2013 01:13 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 01:10 superstartran wrote:On August 12 2013 00:59 Sparvy wrote:On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team. Alliance has got more kills than any other team in this tournament and of 20 wins 10 of them have ended before 30 minutes. The idea that Alliance only plays defensive farming dota is a myth. Alliance does playing defensive farming DotA with S4 leading the way by suppressing the enemy team almost single handily. You do realize that the reason why Alliance is winning every match is because S4 creates enough space for Akke and EGM to actually farm, which is very rare on supports at this TI right? Akke and EGM stack and get levels and items very quickly, much faster than any other team out there. Alliance will only fight when they know they have a significant advantage. The only times I have ever seen Alliance really play aggressive is when they get Wisp, and that is extremely rare. You're confusing aggression with stupidity.
There's a very thin line with aggression and stupidity in DotA, and everyone that is good at the game knows that. It's hard to also make judgement calls on the outside because we get to see everything, and the players themselves don't. I will have to say that there's no way anyone can call Alliance's style 'aggressive.' It is pretty passive for the most part unless S4 starts making big plays and controlling the game (which up to this point he's been very successful at).
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On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team.
People only say they defend all the time because their defense is unbelievably solid and, more importantly, they offense is extremely refined.
It's not that they never attack, it's that they don't flail with their eyes closed to attack. They don't get bored or frustrated and wander into fights. They don't hope to find a favourable fight.
When a moment is presented to them to fight they see it clearly and take it and have these really effective 3 for 1s or 7 for 5s or even the 5 for 5s that people love to complain about so much where because they didn't take more kills and what they got out of the fight is incredible positioning or map control people just don't understand that it was offense or that it was brilliant offense.
Like, "It doesn't count as offense because it was a really good idea to be offensive in that moment!" Somehow it's more respectable when your attack is filled with hope, not when you have crafted it to win.
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On August 12 2013 01:17 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 01:13 teapoted wrote:On August 12 2013 01:10 superstartran wrote:On August 12 2013 00:59 Sparvy wrote:On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team. Alliance has got more kills than any other team in this tournament and of 20 wins 10 of them have ended before 30 minutes. The idea that Alliance only plays defensive farming dota is a myth. Alliance does playing defensive farming DotA with S4 leading the way by suppressing the enemy team almost single handily. You do realize that the reason why Alliance is winning every match is because S4 creates enough space for Akke and EGM to actually farm, which is very rare on supports at this TI right? Akke and EGM stack and get levels and items very quickly, much faster than any other team out there. Alliance will only fight when they know they have a significant advantage. The only times I have ever seen Alliance really play aggressive is when they get Wisp, and that is extremely rare. You're confusing aggression with stupidity. There's a very thin line with aggression and stupidity in DotA, and everyone that is good at the game knows that. It's hard to also make judgement calls on the outside because we get to see everything, and the players themselves don't. I will have to say that there's no way anyone can call Alliance's style 'aggressive.' It is pretty passive for the most part unless S4 starts making big plays and controlling the game (which up to this point he's been very successful at).
They know when to go for the kill and finish the game, and when to play passive like that 'high ground mahjong' they played against navi when they were behind.
[A] deserves to be the TI3 champions, more so than Navi anyway, at this stage.
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I hope Alliance wins all.
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On August 12 2013 01:21 Lachrymose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team. People only say they defend all the time because their defense is unbelievably solid and, more importantly, they offense is extremely refined. It's not that they never attack, it's that they don't flail with their eyes closed to attack. They don't get bored or frustrated and wander into fights. They don't hope to find a favourable fight. When a moment is presented to them to fight they see it clearly and take it and have these really effective 3 for 1s or 7 for 5s or even the 5 for 5s that people love to complain about so much where because they didn't take more kills and what they got out of the fight is incredible positioning or map control people just don't understand that it was offense or that it was brilliant offense. Like, "It doesn't count as offense because it was a really good idea to be offensive in that moment!" Somehow it's more respectable when your attack is filled with hope, not when you have crafted it to win.
Except half the time they just abandon the tower when they can't fight and Song of the Siren away. This has happened quite a few times. Their whole line-up is built around being able to engage/disengage on their terms, that's exactly why they literally pick Siren almost 100% of the time, and try to get Natures Prophet/Wisp if at all possible. Like I said, it's incredibly effective, but not the most entertaining style to watch for the vast majority of the people. I don't think anyone can dispute that at all.
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On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team.
That's not really true, they've played some very aggressive drafts as well. Either you didn't watch their games or confirmation bias at work.
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On August 12 2013 01:30 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team. That's not really true, they've played some very aggressive drafts as well. Either you didn't watch their games or confirmation bias at work.
Any game where they won under 30 minutes was their opponents just simply imploding on themselves (LGD.CN g2, Navi g1, DK g3 etc.). Any game that has gone past 30 minutes, you see Alliance's style of play, which is basically split push and map control so that they get more Roshan's than the other team. They take trades whenever possible, and buyback in order to regain control of the map/map objectives immediately.
In this tournament alone, I think Alliance has won at least five times simply because of Roshan baits. Couple times against LGD, a few times against DK, and then once against Navi. Alot of Alliance's line-up is designed to ensure that they get to fight at the Roshan pit on their terms.
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On August 12 2013 01:30 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 01:21 Lachrymose wrote:On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team. People only say they defend all the time because their defense is unbelievably solid and, more importantly, they offense is extremely refined. It's not that they never attack, it's that they don't flail with their eyes closed to attack. They don't get bored or frustrated and wander into fights. They don't hope to find a favourable fight. When a moment is presented to them to fight they see it clearly and take it and have these really effective 3 for 1s or 7 for 5s or even the 5 for 5s that people love to complain about so much where because they didn't take more kills and what they got out of the fight is incredible positioning or map control people just don't understand that it was offense or that it was brilliant offense. Like, "It doesn't count as offense because it was a really good idea to be offensive in that moment!" Somehow it's more respectable when your attack is filled with hope, not when you have crafted it to win. Except half the time they just abandon the tower when they can't fight and Song of the Siren away. This has happened quite a few times. Their whole line-up is built around being able to engage/disengage on their terms, that's exactly why they literally pick Siren almost 100% of the time, and try to get Natures Prophet/Wisp if at all possible. Like I said, it's incredibly effective, but not the most entertaining style to watch for the vast majority of the people. I don't think anyone can dispute that at all.
Like, are you listening to yourself?
You literally just said "Half the time they can't fight and so they don't." You're defining 'Real Offense' as the 'Playing Stupid.'
You literally just said "They play lineups that allow them to choose when to fight, that doesn't count as offense!" You're defining 'Real Offense' as 'Playing Stupid.' (Or more accurately as something that doesn't make sense? It only really counts as offense if you're not in control of it??)
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On August 12 2013 01:32 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 01:30 hifriend wrote:On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team. That's not really true, they've played some very aggressive drafts as well. Either you didn't watch their games or confirmation bias at work. Any game where they won under 30 minutes was their opponents just simply imploding on themselves (LGD.CN g2, Navi g1, DK g3 etc.). Any game that has gone past 30 minutes, you see Alliance's style of play, which is basically split push and map control so that they get more Roshan's than the other team. They take trades whenever possible, and buyback in order to regain control of the map/map objectives immediately. In this tournament alone, I think Alliance has won at least five times simply because of Roshan baits. Couple times against LGD, a few times against DK, and then once against Navi.
This almost sounds like you're implying alliance had nothing to do with these amazing teams making mistakes and falling behind early, which is absurd to me.
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On August 12 2013 01:34 Lachrymose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 01:30 superstartran wrote:On August 12 2013 01:21 Lachrymose wrote:On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team. People only say they defend all the time because their defense is unbelievably solid and, more importantly, they offense is extremely refined. It's not that they never attack, it's that they don't flail with their eyes closed to attack. They don't get bored or frustrated and wander into fights. They don't hope to find a favourable fight. When a moment is presented to them to fight they see it clearly and take it and have these really effective 3 for 1s or 7 for 5s or even the 5 for 5s that people love to complain about so much where because they didn't take more kills and what they got out of the fight is incredible positioning or map control people just don't understand that it was offense or that it was brilliant offense. Like, "It doesn't count as offense because it was a really good idea to be offensive in that moment!" Somehow it's more respectable when your attack is filled with hope, not when you have crafted it to win. Except half the time they just abandon the tower when they can't fight and Song of the Siren away. This has happened quite a few times. Their whole line-up is built around being able to engage/disengage on their terms, that's exactly why they literally pick Siren almost 100% of the time, and try to get Natures Prophet/Wisp if at all possible. Like I said, it's incredibly effective, but not the most entertaining style to watch for the vast majority of the people. I don't think anyone can dispute that at all. Like, are you listening to yourself? You literally just said "Half the time they can't fight and so they don't." You're defining 'Real Offense' as the 'Playing Stupid.' You literally just said "They play lineups that allow them to choose when to fight, that doesn't count as offense!" You're defining 'Real Offense' as 'Playing Stupid.' (Or more accurately as something that doesn't make sense? It only really counts as offense if you're not in control of it??)
Being offensive doesn't mean you have to play stupid. Alliance doesn't play aggressive unless they see a clear opportunity to do so. This isn't like Na'vi of old where they would batter you into submission with ganks. Alliance only takes teamfights that they know they can engage on their own terms; that's not aggressive play.
On August 12 2013 01:38 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 01:32 superstartran wrote:On August 12 2013 01:30 hifriend wrote:On August 12 2013 00:46 superstartran wrote:On August 11 2013 23:57 Tien wrote:
Alliance is getting the same treatment like the Chinese teams last year.
They're just so dominant it bores people. But their execution is absolutely flawless. Their drafting is legitimately 1 level above many top teams.
I don't really care who wins at this point, I just want close dota games instead of blowouts. I don't see how anyone can be entertained by the way Alliance plays. It's very, very, VERY effective, but utterly boring to watch. Their whole entire strat this TI has revolved around using Naga Siren Song to steal or 100% guarantee that they get Roshan every time. Otherwise, they play very defensive and just farm/split push with Natures Prophet if they can get him, and defend with something like KotL. Rinse repeat every single game. It's the basis of their line-up every single time, and no one can stop them because they execute it flawlessly. As long as S4 is on a hero he can use to control the tempo of the match, there is literally no reason why Alliance can't basically stomp anyone. The one game they lost was in part due to the fact that S4 was not on a hero that he could use to suppress the opposing team. That's not really true, they've played some very aggressive drafts as well. Either you didn't watch their games or confirmation bias at work. Any game where they won under 30 minutes was their opponents just simply imploding on themselves (LGD.CN g2, Navi g1, DK g3 etc.). Any game that has gone past 30 minutes, you see Alliance's style of play, which is basically split push and map control so that they get more Roshan's than the other team. They take trades whenever possible, and buyback in order to regain control of the map/map objectives immediately. In this tournament alone, I think Alliance has won at least five times simply because of Roshan baits. Couple times against LGD, a few times against DK, and then once against Navi. This almost sounds like you're implying alliance had nothing to do with these amazing teams making mistakes and falling behind early, which is absurd to me.
LGD.CN fights 4v5 constantly without Sylar having a TP multiple times, when they were banking on him to get his 3rd big item timing down. That's LGD.CN's mistake, and nothing to do with Alliance. The fact that LGD.CN went to go fight them (and they did went to go fight them) is all LGDs fault. Alliance simply capitalized on the fact that LGD.CN was dumb enough to go fight when they were still weaker.
Navi g1 they simply ignore Loda the entire game who is freefarming on an Alchemist. Don't think anyone can dispute that wasn't stupid.
DK g3 was an auto loss on the draft table. Spectre FP, Alchemist mid against Bat.
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I really want to see an FV pick out of Na'vi or Orange. It's a great answer to naga siren imo.
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The whine is strong here.
Alliance's playstyle isn't all that different from many other western teams (not CIS), they just do it better and they're in the final so we get to listen to a bunch of people bitch about it. Hurray.
Alliance have shown the capability to play extremely aggressive. They used to do this all the time with spectre/np/puck kind of line-ups. It is however a lower percentage draft. However, they still aren't 'passive' enough to in my opinion even call them passive, they don't overfarm, they don't let the enemy farm when they're in a position of dominance. They take the opportunities that come to them unless they need to claim something. If you will 'out logistic' Alliance, then Alliance will play more aggressively. But given the line-ups that they draft, that's rarely the case.
To me calling Alliance passive is like calling Anderson Silva passive. Passivity is about not reacting, about not pushing back, this isn't what Alliance does.
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And to characterize all the matches as the same style is just flat out wrong. I know that the guy above me seems to think that every early victory is the other team imploding. But is it a coincidence that the game with a bounty hunter ends earlier than a game with a kotl/pl? No.
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On August 12 2013 01:17 Nausea wrote:
I don't get people whining about Alliance play style. I love to see perfect execution, that is fun to watch. When you're watching pros play classic sports or e-sports, you're not looking for "hey lets do stupid shit because it will be fun, we could only lose 1.4mil!", you're looking at pro plays and that includes controlling a game from start to finish with tactics and plays.
And to the people that hope Alliance will lose... I can't see any other team in this tournament that deserves the title any more than Alliance. They got almost a perfect record throughout the tournament, what more can you ask for?
I hope there will be tense games but I will be rooting for Alliance just because they simply play better than any other team atm.
It's inevitable. Many people think Barcelona (soccer) plays boring just passing side to side until they find an opening while many think they play the most beautiful play imaginable. One side isn't necessarily more right than the other, it's more about preference and what details of play and strategy you appreciate. I can understand why people don't find Alliance's play very entertaining even if I don't agree with it. I'm more annoyed when people just say blatant fallacies about the teams plays.
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On August 12 2013 01:45 hideo wrote:
I really want to see an FV pick out of Na'vi or Orange. It's a great answer to naga siren imo.
That would be cool. We haven't seen nearly enough Void this tournament. Do Na'Vi usually play it, though?
(On a totally unrelated note, does anyone know whether Kuro speaks Ukranian or whether they all communicate in English? Dendi and Puppey are quite proficient in English, what about funn1k and XBOCT?)
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Why is there so much hate on Alliance.
I am no Dota Pro but it seems they play very solid.
It's like complaining about a Terran not allining a Zerg enough with proxy rax when we know the terran could easily out macro him? Would you really tell Innovation to Proxy Rax Soulkey because it's boring if he just engages him with Widowmines and let's soulkey slowly die. What it is this complaining about?
I watched every single Alliance match and enjoyed them alot. The way they never lose a fight is so fascinating and you can't tell me they only win fights because they are super defensiv... The other team also tries to win. If you take the better more important engagements you win.
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I like NTH, but I like ORANJE more! GO GO M-GOD!
Also I'm really hoping for an SF pick, *wink* *wink*.
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EPT
