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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 11 2013 17:44 GMT
#161
PREDICTIONS:

Scenario 1) Orange wins against Na'Vi. They will beat Alliance in the GF 3-2
Scenario 2) Na'Vi wins against Orange using cheesy strats. Alliance will win the GF 3-0
Scenario 3) Na'Vi wins against Orange using serious strats. Na'Vi will win the GF 3-1
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 17:47:46
August 11 2013 17:46 GMT
#162
Well, I think that Alliance will beat anyone in the GF. Also GF is bo5 right? That's nice

I think that Na`Vi will beat Orange 2:1 with some cheesy game 3 and Alliance will beat Na`Vi 3:1 in the GF.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
August 11 2013 17:47 GMT
#163
GF is bo5.
Once you Goblak...
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
August 11 2013 17:49 GMT
#164
On August 12 2013 01:57 DDie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 22:21 unkkz wrote:
On August 11 2013 21:33 sandyph wrote:
On August 11 2013 12:49 DDie wrote:
Disappointing drafts from puppey, the game we all wanted to see was chaos mode navi against methodical rock solid stable alliance.

The winner bracket finals is not the place to try and surprise the best team of the tournament, just stick with your style, that's how you won tournaments before.


imho puppey's draft 'make sense'
high burst magic damage on the first game and fast push on the second game

looks like puppey want to see whether these strange strats works on Alliance without letting Alliance experience the real na'vi on lan

Puppeys drafts made no real sense to me if you look at navi themselves. DendI in non playmaker role on skywrath, wisp pick with no real plan for it just omg we got wisp. If a notoriously good drafting team like alliance let's you have wisp for free twice you have to know something is fishy. It felt to me puppey drafted right into s4s hands. Also push lineup with dendi on tide and kuro on wisp? What's wisp good for when you go for push? Kuro on tide and let dendi be dendi with a big play hero instead of a ulti bot like tide.

Look at alliances only loss, playmaker s4 on dk accomplishes nothing, while when he gets bat or puck he wins games alone for alliance almost. Game after loss he drafted himself a playmaker and just dominated. Also why not ban kotl if u go for push?



My thoughts exactly, last time dendi played skymage in a pro game was like 4 months ago, in game 2 after 30 minutes dendi had used ravage once. Also, gyro + wisp is somewhat decent, but in game 2 they had wisp + luna/enchantress, is that even cereal?

Now the question is, will orange be baited into giving wisp to navi?


I think that navi had a great draft in g2 they just needed a bit more punch.
Think about it: wisp screams: DO 5man, tide and luna scream: DO NOT 5man.
If navi had a bit more pressure after killing every outer tower in minute 14 they could've sieged the base and whenever somebody would try to farm another lane he had to be worried of wisp.

I'm not entirely sure but if wisp didn't go for the orb that much but went fast overcharge (is it called like that?) and xboct got glaives instead of aura they might have succeded. Kotl can't defend the base alone if there are glaives everywhere. The draft was good, the skill builds were not imo.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
August 11 2013 17:50 GMT
#165
If Navi make it to finals do Alliance start 2-0 up or not?
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
August 11 2013 17:51 GMT
#166
Ahah so much for Western domination:

"Players don't wear headsets and listen to crowd and commentators and have advantage over China"
(c) Zerogravity

What can change the nature of a man?
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
August 11 2013 17:52 GMT
#167
On August 12 2013 02:42 kazyv wrote:
what do you guys think about banning out ld/prophet then contesting the trilane? any other buldog hero won't have as big of an impact if given a 1on1 lane, and he won't necessarily win it with "normal" heroes, which is an added bonus

Then you'd need to pick up wisp, and all this become sort of irrelevant unless you can play a mean wisp.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 11 2013 17:54 GMT
#168
On August 12 2013 02:49 smr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 01:57 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 22:21 unkkz wrote:
On August 11 2013 21:33 sandyph wrote:
On August 11 2013 12:49 DDie wrote:
Disappointing drafts from puppey, the game we all wanted to see was chaos mode navi against methodical rock solid stable alliance.

The winner bracket finals is not the place to try and surprise the best team of the tournament, just stick with your style, that's how you won tournaments before.


imho puppey's draft 'make sense'
high burst magic damage on the first game and fast push on the second game

looks like puppey want to see whether these strange strats works on Alliance without letting Alliance experience the real na'vi on lan

Puppeys drafts made no real sense to me if you look at navi themselves. DendI in non playmaker role on skywrath, wisp pick with no real plan for it just omg we got wisp. If a notoriously good drafting team like alliance let's you have wisp for free twice you have to know something is fishy. It felt to me puppey drafted right into s4s hands. Also push lineup with dendi on tide and kuro on wisp? What's wisp good for when you go for push? Kuro on tide and let dendi be dendi with a big play hero instead of a ulti bot like tide.

Look at alliances only loss, playmaker s4 on dk accomplishes nothing, while when he gets bat or puck he wins games alone for alliance almost. Game after loss he drafted himself a playmaker and just dominated. Also why not ban kotl if u go for push?



My thoughts exactly, last time dendi played skymage in a pro game was like 4 months ago, in game 2 after 30 minutes dendi had used ravage once. Also, gyro + wisp is somewhat decent, but in game 2 they had wisp + luna/enchantress, is that even cereal?

Now the question is, will orange be baited into giving wisp to navi?


I think that navi had a great draft in g2 they just needed a bit more punch.
Think about it: wisp screams: DO 5man, tide and luna scream: DO NOT 5man.
If navi had a bit more pressure after killing every outer tower in minute 14 they could've sieged the base and whenever somebody would try to farm another lane he had to be worried of wisp.

I'm not entirely sure but if wisp didn't go for the orb that much but went fast overcharge (is it called like that?) and xboct got glaives instead of aura they might have succeded. Kotl can't defend the base alone if there are glaives everywhere. The draft was good, the skill builds were not imo.


I don't think you know what you're talking about... Glaives are useless without damage, and the Aura gives just that. Plus the Aura is meant to give attack damage to the other 4 heroes as well, Glaives don't do this. The Wisp pick was just a total waste. If they wanted to push, there were plenty of other choices.
Comogury
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States412 Posts
August 11 2013 17:56 GMT
#169
orange ti3 winners in my compendium bitches. I KNEW ALL ALONG!
DDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2369 Posts
August 11 2013 17:58 GMT
#170
Why do people keep using words like ''cheese'' or ''all in'' for dota?

I guess it was bound to happen in teamliquid but it's just infuriating.
''Television! Teacher, mother, secret lover.''
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
August 11 2013 17:59 GMT
#171
On August 12 2013 02:54 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 02:49 smr wrote:
On August 12 2013 01:57 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 22:21 unkkz wrote:
On August 11 2013 21:33 sandyph wrote:
On August 11 2013 12:49 DDie wrote:
Disappointing drafts from puppey, the game we all wanted to see was chaos mode navi against methodical rock solid stable alliance.

The winner bracket finals is not the place to try and surprise the best team of the tournament, just stick with your style, that's how you won tournaments before.


imho puppey's draft 'make sense'
high burst magic damage on the first game and fast push on the second game

looks like puppey want to see whether these strange strats works on Alliance without letting Alliance experience the real na'vi on lan

Puppeys drafts made no real sense to me if you look at navi themselves. DendI in non playmaker role on skywrath, wisp pick with no real plan for it just omg we got wisp. If a notoriously good drafting team like alliance let's you have wisp for free twice you have to know something is fishy. It felt to me puppey drafted right into s4s hands. Also push lineup with dendi on tide and kuro on wisp? What's wisp good for when you go for push? Kuro on tide and let dendi be dendi with a big play hero instead of a ulti bot like tide.

Look at alliances only loss, playmaker s4 on dk accomplishes nothing, while when he gets bat or puck he wins games alone for alliance almost. Game after loss he drafted himself a playmaker and just dominated. Also why not ban kotl if u go for push?



My thoughts exactly, last time dendi played skymage in a pro game was like 4 months ago, in game 2 after 30 minutes dendi had used ravage once. Also, gyro + wisp is somewhat decent, but in game 2 they had wisp + luna/enchantress, is that even cereal?

Now the question is, will orange be baited into giving wisp to navi?


I think that navi had a great draft in g2 they just needed a bit more punch.
Think about it: wisp screams: DO 5man, tide and luna scream: DO NOT 5man.
If navi had a bit more pressure after killing every outer tower in minute 14 they could've sieged the base and whenever somebody would try to farm another lane he had to be worried of wisp.

I'm not entirely sure but if wisp didn't go for the orb that much but went fast overcharge (is it called like that?) and xboct got glaives instead of aura they might have succeded. Kotl can't defend the base alone if there are glaives everywhere. The draft was good, the skill builds were not imo.


I don't think you know what you're talking about... Glaives are useless without damage, and the Aura gives just that. Plus the Aura is meant to give attack damage to the other 4 heroes as well, Glaives don't do this. The Wisp pick was just a total waste. If they wanted to push, there were plenty of other choices.


You're completely right I do not know what I'm talking about but I wanted to think about a scenario in which the draft might work. And my thoughts were just that a naked kotl can't defend the base alone against a Luna even if it only has Aquila and Drums which would mean that they had to commit more heroes to defending, which would result in two or max three heroes farming on their own, vulnerable to wisp ganks. I'm sorry if I overestimated the damage of Luna at that point.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
August 11 2013 17:59 GMT
#172
ONE HOUR TO GO !
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 11 2013 18:01 GMT
#173
On August 12 2013 02:52 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 02:42 kazyv wrote:
what do you guys think about banning out ld/prophet then contesting the trilane? any other buldog hero won't have as big of an impact if given a 1on1 lane, and he won't necessarily win it with "normal" heroes, which is an added bonus

Then you'd need to pick up wisp, and all this become sort of irrelevant unless you can play a mean wisp.

And if you take Wisp, you give up Batrider and Naga.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 18:02:36
August 11 2013 18:01 GMT
#174
What time will the Grand Finals be on?

I mean will it be straight after looser final, or if that finishes fast, will there be a long wait. Is grand finals meant to be starting at a specific time?
Whats the altitude?
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
August 11 2013 18:02 GMT
#175
Alliance has this, They will beat down creativity and aggressive play with simple consistency throughout the whole series.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
August 11 2013 18:04 GMT
#176
On August 12 2013 03:01 Chewits wrote:
What time will the Grand Finals be on?

I mean will it be straight after looser final, or if that finishes fast, will there be a long wait. Is grand finals meant to be starting at a specific time?

Can't start right after LB finals, players need a break.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 11 2013 18:06 GMT
#177
On August 12 2013 03:04 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 03:01 Chewits wrote:
What time will the Grand Finals be on?

I mean will it be straight after looser final, or if that finishes fast, will there be a long wait. Is grand finals meant to be starting at a specific time?

Can't start right after LB finals, players need a break.


I hear it was an hour break.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 11 2013 18:08 GMT
#178
On August 12 2013 02:59 smr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 02:54 trinxified wrote:
On August 12 2013 02:49 smr wrote:
On August 12 2013 01:57 DDie wrote:
On August 11 2013 22:21 unkkz wrote:
On August 11 2013 21:33 sandyph wrote:
On August 11 2013 12:49 DDie wrote:
Disappointing drafts from puppey, the game we all wanted to see was chaos mode navi against methodical rock solid stable alliance.

The winner bracket finals is not the place to try and surprise the best team of the tournament, just stick with your style, that's how you won tournaments before.


imho puppey's draft 'make sense'
high burst magic damage on the first game and fast push on the second game

looks like puppey want to see whether these strange strats works on Alliance without letting Alliance experience the real na'vi on lan

Puppeys drafts made no real sense to me if you look at navi themselves. DendI in non playmaker role on skywrath, wisp pick with no real plan for it just omg we got wisp. If a notoriously good drafting team like alliance let's you have wisp for free twice you have to know something is fishy. It felt to me puppey drafted right into s4s hands. Also push lineup with dendi on tide and kuro on wisp? What's wisp good for when you go for push? Kuro on tide and let dendi be dendi with a big play hero instead of a ulti bot like tide.

Look at alliances only loss, playmaker s4 on dk accomplishes nothing, while when he gets bat or puck he wins games alone for alliance almost. Game after loss he drafted himself a playmaker and just dominated. Also why not ban kotl if u go for push?



My thoughts exactly, last time dendi played skymage in a pro game was like 4 months ago, in game 2 after 30 minutes dendi had used ravage once. Also, gyro + wisp is somewhat decent, but in game 2 they had wisp + luna/enchantress, is that even cereal?

Now the question is, will orange be baited into giving wisp to navi?


I think that navi had a great draft in g2 they just needed a bit more punch.
Think about it: wisp screams: DO 5man, tide and luna scream: DO NOT 5man.
If navi had a bit more pressure after killing every outer tower in minute 14 they could've sieged the base and whenever somebody would try to farm another lane he had to be worried of wisp.

I'm not entirely sure but if wisp didn't go for the orb that much but went fast overcharge (is it called like that?) and xboct got glaives instead of aura they might have succeded. Kotl can't defend the base alone if there are glaives everywhere. The draft was good, the skill builds were not imo.


I don't think you know what you're talking about... Glaives are useless without damage, and the Aura gives just that. Plus the Aura is meant to give attack damage to the other 4 heroes as well, Glaives don't do this. The Wisp pick was just a total waste. If they wanted to push, there were plenty of other choices.


You're completely right I do not know what I'm talking about but I wanted to think about a scenario in which the draft might work. And my thoughts were just that a naked kotl can't defend the base alone against a Luna even if it only has Aquila and Drums which would mean that they had to commit more heroes to defending, which would result in two or max three heroes farming on their own, vulnerable to wisp ganks. I'm sorry if I overestimated the damage of Luna at that point.


It would've worked if Wisp pick was another pusher hero.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
August 11 2013 18:13 GMT
#179
Would be nice if they played the documentary before the GF
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
August 11 2013 18:14 GMT
#180
On August 12 2013 03:13 Zeo wrote:
Would be nice if they played the documentary before the GF

I'm pretty sure they already played it. But I guess it was for TI3 attendants. Is it gonna be streamed live for viewers as well?
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
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