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On August 11 2013 22:21 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 21:33 sandyph wrote:On August 11 2013 12:49 DDie wrote:
Disappointing drafts from puppey, the game we all wanted to see was chaos mode navi against methodical rock solid stable alliance.
The winner bracket finals is not the place to try and surprise the best team of the tournament, just stick with your style, that's how you won tournaments before. imho puppey's draft 'make sense' high burst magic damage on the first game and fast push on the second game looks like puppey want to see whether these strange strats works on Alliance without letting Alliance experience the real na'vi on lan Puppeys drafts made no real sense to me if you look at navi themselves. DendI in non playmaker role on skywrath, wisp pick with no real plan for it just omg we got wisp. If a notoriously good drafting team like alliance let's you have wisp for free twice you have to know something is fishy. It felt to me puppey drafted right into s4s hands. Also push lineup with dendi on tide and kuro on wisp? What's wisp good for when you go for push? Kuro on tide and let dendi be dendi with a big play hero instead of a ulti bot like tide. Look at alliances only loss, playmaker s4 on dk accomplishes nothing, while when he gets bat or puck he wins games alone for alliance almost. Game after loss he drafted himself a playmaker and just dominated. Also why not ban kotl if u go for push?
My thoughts exactly, last time dendi played skymage in a pro game was like 4 months ago, in game 2 after 30 minutes dendi had used ravage once. Also, gyro + wisp is somewhat decent, but in game 2 they had wisp + luna/enchantress, is that even cereal?
Now the question is, will orange be baited into giving wisp to navi?
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They might, the bigger question is if Na'Vi will succeed with wisp if they are given it.
Yesterday they put it with SK/Tide. Not with traditionally snowbally carries. I think if Na'Vi play like they did yesterday they will just lose.
They should forget about all that shit, pick CK/Wisp if given the opportunity. Na'Vi don't really need gimmicks to win. I don't think they're an overwhelming favorite without them. But to me drafting like they did yesterday is just rolling the dice while if they draft standard they have a bigger chance.
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Navi doesn't even play a good wisp anyways.
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Na'Vi has played a good wisp in the past. One of the things Akke said which is a good point is that Na'Vi probably haven't trained with wisp because no one gives it away. They pick these strats that might work in their head, but they've probably never actually executed before.
But I still think they can execute a more standard Wisp line-up. At least against Orange.
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On August 12 2013 02:02 BlitzerSC wrote:
Navi doesn't even play a good wisp anyways.
They could if they gave it to Funn1k =(
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On August 12 2013 02:04 teapoted wrote:
Na'Vi has played a good wisp in the past. One of the things Akke said which is a good point is that Na'Vi probably haven't trained with wisp because no one gives it away. They pick these strats that might work in their head, but they've probably never actually executed before.
I don't think they would do that. I think it's more likely that they have played those strats numerous times in scrims, but never against a team with such flawless execution as [A]'s. Honestly, I could see both of yesterday's drafts work against many other teams.
edit: By the way, what's up with all that lvl1 Radiant Ancient farming? Is that really a good idea?
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On August 12 2013 02:09 Y wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 02:04 teapoted wrote:
Na'Vi has played a good wisp in the past. One of the things Akke said which is a good point is that Na'Vi probably haven't trained with wisp because no one gives it away. They pick these strats that might work in their head, but they've probably never actually executed before.
I don't think they would do that. I think it's more likely that they have played those strats numerous times in scrims, but never against a team with such flawless execution as [A]'s. Honestly, I could see both of yesterday's drafts work against many other teams. edit: By the way, what's up with all that lvl1 Radiant Ancient farming? Is that really a good idea?
Better than no creeps and dying in the lane 
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On August 12 2013 02:09 Y wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 02:04 teapoted wrote:
Na'Vi has played a good wisp in the past. One of the things Akke said which is a good point is that Na'Vi probably haven't trained with wisp because no one gives it away. They pick these strats that might work in their head, but they've probably never actually executed before.
I don't think they would do that. I think it's more likely that they have played those strats numerous times in scrims, but never against a team with such flawless execution as [A]'s. Honestly, I could see both of yesterday's drafts work against many other teams. edit: By the way, what's up with all that lvl1 Radiant Ancient farming? Is that really a good idea?
I really think Na'Vi would draft something they've never done in a scrim. There's no way of knowing though, but it certainly looks like it sometimes. (it's not like it's completely crazy anyway)
The Ancient farming is good until it gets contested. We saw bulldog mess with Kuro when he was on BH. That game however they also got a somewhat lucky illusion rune which further blocked the spawn. So that slowed him down quite a bit without costing them much.
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On August 12 2013 02:09 Y wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 02:04 teapoted wrote:
Na'Vi has played a good wisp in the past. One of the things Akke said which is a good point is that Na'Vi probably haven't trained with wisp because no one gives it away. They pick these strats that might work in their head, but they've probably never actually executed before.
edit: By the way, what's up with all that lvl1 Radiant Ancient farming? Is that really a good idea?
I'm not a terribly high level player, but from my point of view it is an option that allows you to select offlaners that can't retreat to the jungle if the offlane is too tough for them solo. One benefit also is that the position is much closer to the offlane than jungle, so it is an easier rotation if the lane pushes to the tower and you can actually benefit from that experience and gold without investing to teleport scrolls. In NaVi's case, I've only seen them do it with Windrunner and Mirana. An additional benefit of these two is that they both have a long range ability that they can use to give some damage to help Dendi in middle if he is getting ganked or if he has for example managed to lock down the enemy near the tower.
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On August 12 2013 01:51 Enema wrote:
Why is there so much hate on Alliance.
I am no Dota Pro but it seems they play very solid.
It's like complaining about a Terran not allining a Zerg enough with proxy rax when we know the terran could easily out macro him? Would you really tell Innovation to Proxy Rax Soulkey because it's boring if he just engages him with Widowmines and let's soulkey slowly die. What it is this complaining about?
I watched every single Alliance match and enjoyed them alot. The way they never lose a fight is so fascinating and you can't tell me they only win fights because they are super defensiv... The other team also tries to win. If you take the better more important engagements you win.
If you really want to make an analogy with starcraft (which I think is wrong anyway) it feels more like Zerg pre-hots, when they were turtling as hell to make broodlords / infestors. Then yes, they will take fight since they will have the advantage. I'm not implying this bad, OP or whatever, but as shown in game 2 vs Navi, they just avoided every possible fight, sacrificed all of their towers till they got bkb to counter ravage.
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On August 12 2013 02:18 Gevna wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 01:51 Enema wrote:
Why is there so much hate on Alliance.
I am no Dota Pro but it seems they play very solid.
It's like complaining about a Terran not allining a Zerg enough with proxy rax when we know the terran could easily out macro him? Would you really tell Innovation to Proxy Rax Soulkey because it's boring if he just engages him with Widowmines and let's soulkey slowly die. What it is this complaining about?
I watched every single Alliance match and enjoyed them alot. The way they never lose a fight is so fascinating and you can't tell me they only win fights because they are super defensiv... The other team also tries to win. If you take the better more important engagements you win. If you really want to make an analogy with starcraft (which I think is wrong anyway) it feels more like Zerg pre-hots, when they were turtling as hell to make broodlords / infestors. Then yes, they will take fight since they will have the advantage. I'm not implying this bad, OP or whatever, but as shown in game 2 vs Navi, they just avoided every possible fight, sacrificed all of their towers till they got bkb to counter ravage. And then in game 1 the same thing happened? No.
Game 2 vs Na'Vi is a special case because Na'Vi were so easily countered by items and they ran around as 5 all game. Are we really going to sit here complaining that a team didn't engage into a team running around as 5 with ravage/eclipse?
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On August 12 2013 00:32 ZenDeX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:03 Asymmetric wrote:
Pretty surprised we haven't seen a brewmaster or disruptor all tournament. NS played a Disruptor against TongFu to counter Storm Spirit and Dark Seer but they lost. Heroes that are not played so far in TI3 are: Brewmaster, Bristleback, Death Prophet, Drow Ranger, Lycanthrope, Medusa, Meepo, Necrolyte, Night Stalker, Ogre Magi, Phantom Assassin, Riki, Skeleton King, Sniper, Troll Warlord, Tusk, and Witch Doctor.
Out of that list, Brewmaster is really surprising. Such a disruptive hero and useful all game, just needs levels.
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On August 12 2013 02:21 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 02:18 Gevna wrote:On August 12 2013 01:51 Enema wrote:
Why is there so much hate on Alliance.
I am no Dota Pro but it seems they play very solid.
It's like complaining about a Terran not allining a Zerg enough with proxy rax when we know the terran could easily out macro him? Would you really tell Innovation to Proxy Rax Soulkey because it's boring if he just engages him with Widowmines and let's soulkey slowly die. What it is this complaining about?
I watched every single Alliance match and enjoyed them alot. The way they never lose a fight is so fascinating and you can't tell me they only win fights because they are super defensiv... The other team also tries to win. If you take the better more important engagements you win. If you really want to make an analogy with starcraft (which I think is wrong anyway) it feels more like Zerg pre-hots, when they were turtling as hell to make broodlords / infestors. Then yes, they will take fight since they will have the advantage. I'm not implying this bad, OP or whatever, but as shown in game 2 vs Navi, they just avoided every possible fight, sacrificed all of their towers till they got bkb to counter ravage. And then in game 1 the same thing happened? No. Game 2 vs Na'Vi is a special case because Na'Vi were so easily countered by items and they ran around as 5 all game. Are we really going to sit here complaining that a team didn't engage into a team running around as 5 with ravage/eclipse?
What ? Where do you see I'm complaining ? I've even said that I wasn't implying this was wrong because I knew there would obviously be one guy to jump on me because I'm indeed saying Alliance if more of a passive team, than an agressive team. Which I think is quite hard to contest. Even if, at this level of play, they obviously, depending on the situation, can play agressively.
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what is he saying? I hope its not him retiring, if it is, Best of luck to the greatest carry
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That link tells me absolutely nothing, about nothing.
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ya i just google translated it.. It doesnt say much. Talking about prize money. Not sure if the 50,000 figure he is saying is USD or RMB. 50k RMB isnt alot
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On August 12 2013 02:28 grobo wrote:That link tells me absolutely nothing, about nothing.
Burning is probably retiring, saying that sacrificing your physical and psychological sanity with 12hrs training/day and messed up day/night rhyhms for next to no pay is no longer worth it for him (not my translation, paraphrased from translation seen on another TL thread).
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what do you guys think about banning out ld/prophet then contesting the trilane? any other buldog hero won't have as big of an impact if given a 1on1 lane, and he won't necessarily win it with "normal" heroes, which is an added bonus
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On August 12 2013 02:42 kazyv wrote:
what do you guys think about banning out ld/prophet then contesting the trilane? any other buldog hero won't have as big of an impact if given a 1on1 lane, and he won't necessarily win it with "normal" heroes, which is an added bonus
That already happened and they picked BH for bulldog
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