Any hero benefit jungling more than laning except maybe Chen and Enigma? Since the jungle nerfs, only benefit of jungling is to achieve a subpar farm on a third hero considering you don't lose your mid and easy lane already.

Jaaaaasper

United States10225 Posts

June 15 2016 20:12 GMT

#102

On June 15 2016 20:45 Laserist wrote:

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Beastmaster and maybe NS thanks to cancer talon

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

June 15 2016 20:53 GMT

#103

On June 16 2016 05:12 Jaaaaasper wrote:

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Beastmaster and maybe NS thanks to cancer talon

NS is not faster in jungle he just fits there better
Veno is legitimately faster in Jungle I believe, as is axe if you get the right spawns

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22212 Posts

June 15 2016 21:28 GMT

#104

beastmaster jungle farms disgustingly fast, ive seen so many games where he ends up with more cs than the mid

GtC

United States546 Posts

June 16 2016 03:11 GMT

#105

Jungle cs on average is worth fair bit less than lane though. It also gives less experience I think.

SlottedPig

United States52 Posts

June 16 2016 05:37 GMT

#106

I think there's a decent amount of heroes who can get more out of the jungle than they'd expect to get out of lane. Iron Talon + Blight Stone accelerates jungling to an incredible degree, although the junglers we see in competitive aren't usually so greedy as to get Blight Stone on Beastmaster / Night Stalker. Obviously all min 0 junglers (not offlaners) are greedy picks which is something you should keep in mind, but in the era of Iron Talon it's a little bit backwards to think all jungling is inherently bad.

Also, don't be blinded by your last pick jungler teammates in pubs: even jungling farm-heavy cores like LC are workable if picked appropriately (read: strong safe lane, jungle-independent mid and offlane). The main problem with LC jungle is actually that LC just isn't a very good hero, though I'll admit it also wastes her strong laning potential.

Laserist

Turkey4269 Posts

June 16 2016 12:35 GMT

#107

On June 16 2016 12:11 GtC wrote:
Jungle cs on average is worth fair bit less than lane though. It also gives less experience I think.

That was actually my point. It doesn't matter if you have more cs etc.. wrt mid but jungle gives less xp and gold per time wasted there. So it is very obvious almost all heroes benefit more by staying in mid or safe lane.

LC jungle is make or break for me. Sometimes the opponent struggles, fails to pressure lanes, we win easy lane and stay competitive in mid lane. Then, 8 min blink boots secure a few early duels and you snowball.
For the remaining, your safe lane is pressured, and/or mid lost, jungle contested and there is no way to come back with LC. Game is lost.

Best way to utilize this hero without wasting safe lane is offlane. She can contest weak, melee easy lanes sometimes appear in pubs.

igotmyown

United States4291 Posts

June 16 2016 21:52 GMT

#108

That's really binary. If you refuse to get involved until you have blink (and of course you'll have very little fighting power without treads), then you're not taking game flow into account. If your safe lane has mana and can go for a kill early to reverse the pressure, then you should go for it. Or if you need to buy wards for your mid to keep them alive, then you should do it.

You don't have to ignore your team just to optimize your farming efficiency.

0mnomnomnom

Peru8 Posts

June 17 2016 09:45 GMT

#109

On June 17 2016 06:52 igotmyown wrote:
That's really binary. If you refuse to get involved until you have blink (and of course you'll have very little fighting power without treads), then you're not taking game flow into account. If your safe lane has mana and can go for a kill early to reverse the pressure, then you should go for it. Or if you need to buy wards for your mid to keep them alive, then you should do it.

You don't have to ignore your team just to optimize your farming efficiency.

Game flow, playing a team game like a team game, considering all circumstances instead of just looking at things in a vacuum without context??? What are these revolutionary ideas?

Mind = blown.

-most DotA players if they saw the light