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On February 11 2016 07:56 nanaoei wrote:
personally i leave it at pms wand for laning, or stout quelling, but that's not the way to play these days.
i think urn drums is far and away the most popular build right now. keep in mind not every game is a radiance game for spectre. this also means 3 points in dagger is more common at level 6.
it's hard to describe the equilibrium and style you need to play spectre before your first major items, and i am in no way an expert.
unless they are dual laning you offlane or similar which is much more common in pubs, you usually have an easier time.
i recommend you look up some games, since the hero is getting picked quite a lot lately.
dagger shud be maxed almost always coz after 6.82 shenanigans spectre got a ninja nerf that decreased her base movespeed but improved dagger speed
every game can be a radiance game unless ure against rly have splitpush that includes AM
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so i've discovered MANGO is such a sick item.
with mango you can quickly pop one to get 310 mana before you ult for the haunt+dagger combo
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Yo beesa what are you picking against spectre these days
I've been trying to pick morph but I feel like my team just LOSES before I ever get to make a big enough impact (Im sure im not fighting enough)
Weaver / slark still seems ok though.
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Honestly I find support picks and to a lesser extent offlane picks to almost be the most important again spec. She just wins fights by killing 1-2 heroes in haunt duration and the chaos that comes with it. As the enemy team stops running around in circles and realize what to target or where the real spectre is, the fight is over. Most cores arent so vulnerable against it but many supps are.
And anytime I see people not buying proper defensive items I get a little sad. Congrats AA, you got a 20min midas and at 30min you have point booster+ogre club. And you die in the first 3secs of haunt EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Or the aether lens Rhasta "sick item i can shackle from so far away now lulz" who dies just as fast.
Get ghosts, forces and glimmers ffs. Even on some cores if needed. And preferably stay away from the free spectre food picks (AA, sky, kotl, etc).
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Tide is the easier counter against spectre, in combination with other push heroes like invoker, etc. My games usually end in <20 min high ground.
Tide keeps supports tied up in safelane or simply destroy the lane if they pick greedy supports. Rush mek and only use ravage mid-fights after enemy commit to fight. Even better if you have another support that can get mek reliably like bh or chen, then you can just go pipe first.
Other 5 man heroes work too like undying, necro, phoenix, etc, but it is too easy to fail execution and things start going downhill because of 1 lost fight. Ravage makes the game braindead easy to execute, it basically nullifies the effect of haunt.
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Whenever I play vs spectre spammers I just go offlane Dirge and that abuser cries in a corner for the next 20 min untill I get the inevitable +25. That is like top 3 hero to fuck up spectre not only in laning stage but when you fight and you put tomb instantly when she goes for Haunt zombies apply and desolate is negated to all illusions.
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Spec is easy enough to shut down in lane but the problem is how good players / teams will take proper fights to get her to recover. And she recovers so quickly with comeback gold.
the hero has one of the best recoveries, which is kind of crazy considering how strong she is
If u execute and commit to ending the game without any sloppy plays / pickoffs, you can do it. But most pub games can't execute, even at the highest levels. All it takes is one bad engagement for spec to get a quad kill and the game is back.
most good players understand this and don't get emotional when they get aggressive laned
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On February 11 2016 14:57 Comeh wrote:
Yo beesa what are you picking against spectre these days
I've been trying to pick morph but I feel like my team just LOSES before I ever get to make a big enough impact (Im sure im not fighting enough)
Weaver / slark still seems ok though.
lycan, she cant manfight u, she cant defend her base
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On February 11 2016 22:50 ahw wrote:
If u execute and commit to ending the game without any sloppy plays / pickoffs, you can do it. But most pub games can't execute, even at the highest levels. All it takes is one bad engagement for spec to get a quad kill and the game is back.
yeah this is really the "spectre experience"
doesn't matter if you have a hero that can be good vs her if you and your team take a sloppy team fight after shutting her down for 20 minutes.
e: have I ever mentioned that I hate the comeback mechanic? because I hate the comeback mechanic :D
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Most of my spectre games have been an awful laning stage into a bunch of haunt double kills into win game. Shutting down the lane doesn't matter unless you can actually close out the game before 30 minutes. After 30 minute the game will become even if the Spectre has gotten even fourth-most networth, and after 40 minutes you usually lose.
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On February 12 2016 06:31 Birdie wrote:
Most of my spectre games have been an awful laning stage into a bunch of haunt double kills into win game. Shutting down the lane doesn't matter unless you can actually close out the game before 30 minutes. After 30 minute the game will become even if the Spectre has gotten even fourth-most networth, and after 40 minutes you usually lose.
solution to spectre is:
1) end the game in 20min
2) shut down her lane or atleast make her not get free farm and end the game in 30min
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What about Ember Spirit? Maybe not a counter, but his split push prowess late game would prove useful no doubt, combined with his late game damage in team fights. Sure, he can't press R and kill supports across the map, but those late game sleights are always gross.
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On February 12 2016 09:46 yookstah wrote:
What about Ember Spirit? Maybe not a counter, but his split push prowess late game would prove useful no doubt, combined with his late game damage in team fights. Sure, he can't press R and kill supports across the map, but those late game sleights are always gross.
Spectre can probably just ignore ember until everyone else is dead when it gets to that point. And lord knows ember can't manfight a spectre, then.
Your best bet would be to split push and pray you get a pick off or two/force them to make a mistake.
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Why is envy skipping radiance purposefully, even when he has a good game he tends to focus on fighting with spec with urn (which is fine) but than he goes into manta, diffusal and never mades the radi.
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Arc Warden is p great vs Spec. You definitely do not want to go late vs AW but a Spec pick forces it.
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really? i imagine specs ability to pinpoint the real arc warden makes her one of the better carries against his lategame rat style
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On February 12 2016 17:04 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
really? i imagine specs ability to pinpoint the real arc warden makes her one of the better carries against his lategame rat style
can't you visibly see which arc warden is real (except manta illu)
i mean, arc warden is broken either way.
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On February 12 2016 17:38 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2016 17:04 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
really? i imagine specs ability to pinpoint the real arc warden makes her one of the better carries against his lategame rat style can't you visibly see which arc warden is real (except manta illu) i mean, arc warden is broken either way.
oh i mean for arc wardens that are hiding the real hero and botsing out the clone on cd with rapiers, it's an easy way to find where he's hiding the hero
ofc multiple globals is ideal but i think spec helps
personally i think played at top level, core arc warden's more of a timing hero than a lategame hero, since other carries with mkbs can just erase him and take his rapiers, but in pub environments he probably tends to have the advantage if he actually gets to lategame items at all (for the same reason as naga and radi alch)
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spectre would need mkb if he wants to hunt arc warden with haunt
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On February 12 2016 12:01 Shock710 wrote:
Why is envy skipping radiance purposefully, even when he has a good game he tends to focus on fighting with spec with urn (which is fine) but than he goes into manta, diffusal and never mades the radi.
We would need more info on the game. What was the other team?
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