[Hero] Spectre - Page 35

On February 12 2016 22:35 BluemoonSC wrote:


We would need more info on the game. What was the other team?

On February 12 2016 22:43 Shock710 wrote:

not one game, all his spec games from the last month have been like this (at least on stream)

On February 12 2016 00:01 ChunderBoy wrote:

lycan, she cant manfight u, she cant defend her base

On February 13 2016 21:41 clickrush wrote:
is it though? farming radiance eg being useless from early to midgame requires more coordination/teamwork than getting stronger incrementally and contributing yourself. The thing with radiance on spectre is that even at the point she has it she will not contribute that much because it is more of a farming and cleanup item than anything else, so you don't really start to contribute much (actually carry) until you have your first big defensive item such as heart/skadi, because spectre scales as a soak/tank and as a damage dealer, so ignoring one path for such a long time slows down the game alot.

Also the amount of coordination you need for creating space for spectre is higher than the amount to gank or sufficiently pressure her team because it is a defacto 5on4. just that she takes way more time to ramp and has only little means to contribute anything compared to other carries when rushing radiance. compare that to alchemist for example who farms way faster, has high natural tankyness due to ultimate and good utility. Or even naga who has better lane presence and provides a high amount of CC utility.

What envy and badman are proving here is that a spectre build should synergize with her kit from the get go and not just after 2 major items most of the time in most of the games. Also they don't fall into the "iam doing well I should itemize incredibly greedy now" -trap but they use their lead responsibly by contributing faster and also minizing the risk of feeding back kill gold.

On February 15 2016 00:07 Blackfeather wrote:

Well the problem with spectre is that precisely as you described, she's useless at the start. So "getting stronger incrementally" still makes you really bad early on, because you go from "doesn't participate" to "participates very little and still does nothing in teamfights outside of Haunt". It's not like you can go into early skirmishes or teamfights and right-click anyone once you finished drums. It's not like you go from 4v5 to ursa once you finish manta.
Once you get radi you upgrade your ult to do 250/300/350 magic damage on every enemy hero, that's damage that just isn't there if you go drums manta. While I agree that with just radi she can't be in the midst of the fights, she still can lurk around the corners and deal radi and dagger damage.
I guess with how aggressive the game has become you can just farm heroes, since the hero is still terrible at farming creeps. Badman finished his last 45 minute game at 191 lasthits (given, low compared to other games).

Also if you just build her as a tank without radi she'll just be ignored. Her early game damage is pitiful at best.
I'll check some replays though, Badman and Envy certainly know a lot more about the hero than I do, so I'm prolly overlooking something.

edit: holy shit spectre scales fast with items. Mb I'm wrong and spectre with 6-10k nw could totally be a threat with small items.

On March 18 2016 04:58 Kraznaya wrote:
why doesnt badman get aquila on this hero

On March 18 2016 04:58 Kraznaya wrote:
why doesnt badman get aquila on this hero

On March 18 2016 04:58 Kraznaya wrote:
why doesnt badman get aquila on this hero

On March 18 2016 04:58 Kraznaya wrote:
why doesnt badman get aquila on this hero

On March 18 2016 19:41 spudde123 wrote:
Depends on the enemy lineup of course how good it is but there definitely are games where hood is a fine choice on Spectre imo.