EPTLike after radiance I get you gotta tank up first through manta/heart, then diffusal?
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
Like after radiance I get you gotta tank up first through manta/heart, then diffusal? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's a lot more appealing if you're going Refresher, both for the obvious reason of being the best way of increasing Haunt damage, but also because going Refresher means you cap out slots later since you if you get to 6 items, you put Refresher on Courier and get another item before selling Diffusal. | ||
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Shikada
Serbia976 Posts
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babysimba
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Ramiz1989
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lloyddragneel
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Level 7 = 2-4-0-1 (my first priority is to max out my desolate 'cause it's really good right now that it works on creeps and neutrals. and when i maxed out my 1st and 2nd, thats when only i level my dispersion. why? well imo, dispersion doesn't do well in early game especially when your not going for a heavy stat item and opting for a fast radiance) as for my item routine: Poor man's shield and a tango for starting -> Ring of Health -> boots of speed -> Ring of Aquila ->Phase boots ->Yasha ->Radiance (usually 24 to 30mins)-> Manta -> Heart/Skaddi/Bfly/Bkb/Ref orb (it depends on the situation) *i really like rushing that ROH just for the regen ONLY (always not going for that vanguard/crimson though). great for sustaining my lane and just suits spectre for its early game passive playstyle. edit: sorry for my english, not that good speaker of it | ||
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BillGates
471 Posts
Its still good as a 4th item if there is need. | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
about spectre's build order and realized that you could do the following with the juggling of items..let me know what you guys think pick up an early basillius. a little armor and a little damage, but more importantly helps with pushing the offlane t1 to secure your jungle. once you've secured the jungle, you have the option to get an RoA orrrrr you can dismantle the basi for the armor component and turn that into an iron talon with the QB you undoubtedly picked up earlier. you can also use the sages mask to make your urn of shadows. then the rest is up to you. thoughts on whether or not this makes sense to do? are you wasting time if you already have the basi instead of just upgrading to ROA? | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On the other end of it, if you're farming for something big like radiance anyways it seems like the RoA's increased damage and attack speed (via agility) would eventually pull ahead of the ~100g savings that Urn + Iron Talon offers. It totally seems like it could work, but you'd need a game where you'd be pretty confident in your ability to get kills off haunt otherwise if you're just farming for radiance RoA would probably come out ahead. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
however, the straight up hp removal of jungle creeps (particularly the hard camps right by the wave) makes it quick to bounce in and kill a hard camp, and then make it back to the wave without missing cs. The roa definitely provides more to heroes, but early game spectre should probably be waiting for that haunt dagger snipe so she can continue to farm, rather than running around looking to pick fights. The iron talon is for that down time. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On October 18 2015 19:54 babysimba wrote: 1-1-4 build with pms hood lmao i've done that against a brood before I feel this hero has 2 peaks and most people don't capitalize the first peak of pre-bkb team fights early/mid game. after their carries get bkb and started to really ball up and team fight spectre is quite weak until she gets 3, 4 big items, just a rad + 1 item doesn't quite work. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 28 2016 05:50 Logo wrote: My concern is that you're getting the Urn so you want to participate in kills, but you'd be doing so with nothing item-wise to help you deal damage. Compared to RoA you're missing 9 agility and 9 damage. Yeah you can jump in with your ult regardless and after you get some charges it'd probably work well, but you'd get those kills easier with RoA. Urn is foremost an HP sustainability item that gives you 2 Salves worth of healing every Haunt CD, and therefore keeps your HP stable for farming. It's often the best option since RoH blows unless you have a specific need for the items it builds into. You're not getting Urn to be some proactive early game focused carry. You're getting it because in a lot of those games it's simply the most efficient way to stabilize your HP with normal farming patterns. The team contributions are essentially free additional upside since it basically costs the same as RoH. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
I get early game participations, I farm well, but there are these key fights mid game I'm not sure if I should fully commit and right click the enemy carry or should I kill the supports. In short I'm not sure if I can win a man-fight if I get into one. Let's just talk about spec for instance. What usually happens is I have radiance +1 item, probably manta or diffusal, and enemy carries have bkbs. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
i feel like in general, spec doesn't do well in manfighting bkb carries though, considering it blocks radiance, dispersion, and diffusal feedback. spec's kit is geared towards sniping squishy backliners and randomly AOEing down other squishies during haunt | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On January 30 2016 06:38 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: pretty sure that's a thing that comes from experience, knowing who you can manfight when it seems like it would be close. just try to weigh their natural dps and damage mitigation against your own, and consider how long each of you will be locked down or something due to abilities i feel like in general, spec doesn't do well in manfighting bkb carries though, considering it blocks radiance, dispersion, and diffusal feedback. spec's kit is geared towards sniping squishy backliners and randomly AOEing down other squishies during haunt Though once your opponents don't have bkb up, Spectre is nearly impossible to manfight with lifesteal. | ||
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woojaekeem
United States524 Posts
On January 30 2016 06:24 evanthebouncy! wrote: i actually have a question... how do you gauge how strong you are at man-fighting other carries? I think that's my biggest problem with mid-game as a carry. I get early game participations, I farm well, but there are these key fights mid game I'm not sure if I should fully commit and right click the enemy carry or should I kill the supports. In short I'm not sure if I can win a man-fight if I get into one. Let's just talk about spec for instance. What usually happens is I have radiance +1 item, probably manta or diffusal, and enemy carries have bkbs. u should focus the supports down in haunt and kite around with dagger until bkbs are gone both of her passives are negated by immunity. | ||
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
I tried out drums + urns a lot, and it turns out to be pretty shitty for me. You almost always have to have a free lane, your buiild doesnt give you any form of sustain less you find kills. and even if you semi jungle, you still run back to the fountain crying each time. Vanguard + aqualia just seems that much better to me when i play it. It gives you some much need sustain, the additional tankinesss is fine. True, you might not have the chase you could have with drums urn but the sustain is really that muchbetter, and being able to haunt in anywhere at near full hp is a huge plus, where with drums and urn, unless you get a completely free lane, any supports can just trade way too effectively against you or nuke you down until u have urn charges... | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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ChunderBoy
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treads/qb/pms/aquila/roh then radiance sometimes i get phase over treads if enemy have like bh to counteract track speed sometimes i get urn over roh if i think the game will have less jungling and more chaotic fights sometimes i get wand if it's rly good in w.e lane im against ... i rly hate having to not get treads/qb/pms/aquila/roh tho they provide a smooth road to an ez sacred relic pick up b-but sir... if i get drums phase ill get more kills, why wud u not get those? well its just a compromise. i prefer a slow and steady style of gameplay than chaos and memes u might get 2 extra kills with drums/phase but having those might put u in a less comfortable position overall, due to sometimes being scared of ganks because (not always being at full hp) and not being able to farm jungle without losing hp or w.e b-but badman is 8k and he spams spectre with le epic fighting build that was used ever since wc3 (dont call it the badman build coz its been done 12 years before too). if anyone in the 7k-8k bracket spammed spectre enough times they wud have similar results its just that only 1 spectre spammer exists there, that hero has the highest winrate of all hard carries in dota2 and in the 5k+ bracket according to dotabuff ~60% this hero is too forgiving whenever u make mistakes it doesnt matter as much as making mistakes with morph/am more: also casual roh on this hero is VERY NICE. - u can turn it into a hood if enemy has heavy magic. reminder hood has a self active now and with new dispersion changes 2 patches ago ure gonna be tankier and taking 0 magic dmg coz of barrier will reflect dmg to enemy if tho u took 0. - u can make it into a vanguard?! lol wud prolly do this only against lots of summons like brood and stuff but its still not bad. - turn it into a linkens, this is rly good vs stuff like LC or Bat, even lina but i guess heart is good enough anyway vs lina type heroes - later refresher - or just keep it for casual hp regen till u need to replace it. 5 hp regen is rly good even if u dont upgrade it. makes u not lose hp while jungling or running between farm locations hence always stay at full hp -> get ganked less -> lose less gold -> finish radiance faster also i dont think its generally wise to go butterfly on spectre especially after radiance miss chance buff and new dispersion change. u already have miss chance on enemies going butterfly forces them to mkb which means 2 of ur items got countered by 1 and noones gonna build an mkb just for radiance. also with the new dispersion change spectre loves having armour/magic resist more than ever. u know what else she loves? having negative armour/magic resistance on enemies. so get butterfly instead of ac if u want get one vs phys teams. more armour for u = tankier tankier = more dispersion more dispersion = more dmg to enemies negative armour on enemies = more dispersion dmg to enemies butterfly evasion doesnt cause dispersion *gasp* and having 1 AC on team at late game is just too good. if u dont get it someone else might have to i still dont know why i didnt spam this hero more in my soloq i tend to lose very little with her just coz icefrog thought its a good idea to create something very balanced called dispersion she is the hero that prolly everyone in the world is most comfortable to go late game with and win | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
i think urn drums is far and away the most popular build right now. keep in mind not every game is a radiance game for spectre. this also means 3 points in dagger is more common at level 6. honestly, i'm not a big fan of the dagger build on spectre but everything combined it has its merits for sure at early levels. it's hard to describe the equilibrium and style you need to play spectre before your first major items, and i am in no way an expert. i still play it the slow style and build up with morbid or sit in jungle for radi rush. personally, what i enjoy the most about urn is haunt kill -> tower, then there's less pressure on you after the dust settles. unless they are dual laning you offlane or similar which is much more common in pubs, you usually have an easier time. i recommend you look up some games, since the hero is getting picked quite a lot lately. here you go. http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/spectre/guides# | ||
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