[Hero] Spectre - Page 19

On June 12 2015 00:48 DucK- wrote:
I like brown boots urn/roh radiance. Phase only if I feel is necessary.

On June 11 2015 22:38 lolfail9001 wrote:

Would not just MoM suffice? IIRC you can reliably get under 25 minute pt-MoM-Radiance even with a death or two.

On June 12 2015 02:52 Rawr wrote:
I think spectre is my new favorite hero. I just have a big problem when deciding what items to go in the laning phase. I feel like I want a poor man's shield, a quelling blade, an orb of venom, urn/ring of aquila. How do I decide what to get and what to skip?

Also, do people still go vanguard? When would it be a good idea?

Radiance seems to be the most popular first big item, but I often have problems choosing the item after it. The options seem to be manta/diffusal/heart/maybe skadi.
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Winning a game where you had a really rough early game is the best. I had a game where I had 10 cs after 10 minutes, in a 1v2 lane. Then we won the game anyway because they never managed to finish the game and I got very farmed later.

On June 12 2015 03:12 the bear jew wrote:


I used to go stout, tango, health potion, some branches. My higher mmr friend recommended going ring of protection, quelling blade, tango, branch into brown boots, aquilla, treads.

The later one actually is much easier to last hit with, just might need to ferry more regen out or start with health if you feel like lane will be tough.

I don't go vanguard, never did, sometimes I get a casual vit booster before going radiance and turn it into heart after.

And for after radiance, I have the same problem, it really depends on what you need. I feel like if you need damage, manta is really good with desolate, and gives all around good stuff. Diffusal after radiance I feel is unecessary. I think it's either manta/heart/skadi after radiance. Heart is best if you want to be the frontline, tank tower, and then regen out after. If you go radiance/heart/skadi, you hit hard and have so much health you are not unkillable but nobody wants to try.

Butterfly after you get health is really good too.

On June 12 2015 04:34 Rawr wrote:

I used to start with stout, salve, and one set of tangos. Now I prefer starting with ring of protection and buying stout and quelling at the side shop. That way I don't need the courier in the first few minutes and I can complete pms + ring of basilius at the side shop.

I think I build skadi more than I should, I just love the item. Building skadi and heart together feels like you don't have that much damage, although you do survive 1v5 almost. I think either heart or skadi + a damage item would be better.

On June 12 2015 05:00 Terrorbladder wrote:
Why do you even need RoB on Spec? Just leave Dagger and Haunt at level 1, put points into Desolate+Dispersion and Stats?

On June 12 2015 05:38 Terrorbladder wrote:
Meh, I still see no merit in leveling Dagger past 1 early when each level makes it cost 10 additional mana, and Spectre is one of the hero with bad early health and damage. 1/4/4/1 is the way I usually go, until level 15 when I begin to level Haunt normally again.

On June 12 2015 07:20 evanthebouncy! wrote:

Yepe this is what I do as well. The growth on dagger Seems so bad and the mana cost so high.
I just haunt to kill steal with dagger and urn until radiance. I guess if your team needs a frontman you should vanguard, but usually for just laning and farming lvl up dispersion first helps a ton.

On June 12 2015 08:55 Terrorbladder wrote:
Just gonna throw this one out there, Refresher is a completely legit choice if game goes the distance. You can afford to spend 1 ult to scout and 1 ult to fight.

On June 12 2015 08:51 Ramiz1989 wrote:

Uh you really shouldn't level up Dispersion in the early game, even stats are better. Dispersion scales awfully and 1 level is enough in the early game. I usually leave it at level 1 up to the level 14-15, where I start to level it up again as I usually have more than 1200 HP then.

Having level 1 Dagger is like having no Dagger at all(except for escaping, going through the trees and cliffs), you can barely see the difference. If you want just to farm and use ulti for some damage/assist that is fine, but if you need to get a few kills you won't get it without Dagger being at least level 2-3, unless you have heavy disabler heroes on your side.

It is even more confusing that you were asking "why would anyone go for Treads instead of Phase" and then you tell me that you don't go for more than 1 point in Dagger. How are you killing anything at all? If you jump with a Haunt on a hero with 20% HP, and that hero has stun and/or slow, you won't be able to kill him with level 1 Dagger.

Dagger also gives you that little burst(even though it is small compared to some other heroes) and since the new patch where you are exchanging the positions with illusions you can Haunt on a hero, do 1-2 auto-attacks + level 4 Dagger(+ Urn if possible) and Haunt back to your lane. Unless enemy hero is at like 5-10% HP, you can't do that without maxed out Dagger. You will be forced to chase too much, sometimes without even getting a kill and you won't be able to get back to your lane with Haunt. Even if you manage to get a kill, not being able to get back to your lane usually isn't worth it.

There are quite a few build-ups that I've tried, 3-2-0-1, 2-3-0-1. 2-2-1-1, 1-3-1-1 etc. but they all end up with 4-4-1-1, leveling up dispersion is just horrible.