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Lalalaland34504 Posts
On August 27 2012 15:07 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 13:44 TheYango wrote:On August 27 2012 11:14 Dead9 wrote:
u do when u get aghs
it's just that invoker isn't high enough level to make use of all the spells if he rushes aghs, usually only 4-5 spells are actually useful in midgame teamfights Pretty much this. If you're Quas/Wex, being able to cast Chaos Meteor, Sun Strike, or Forge Spirit's is going to do very little for your in-fight strength, and Ice Wall and Alacrity will only have some situational usage. A Force Staff or Sheepstick are going to be far more influential than being able to use the spells reliant on your least-leveled orb. Aghanim's is useful once you get to start leveling that last orb, but by the time that happens, you should already have had the chance to complete 1-2 other big items. I see. I like opening exort because of sunstrike, which allows you to kill heroes on low life running away from your team members (And they cannot kill due to tower etc.) In that case, would it be ok to grab exort at level 3 but as a build order still go for quas/wex?
If you really want to, then 'yes'. But assuming you're going QW it slows down your other spells considerably plus and it'll only ever do 100 damage if you're not leveling it beyond lvl 1. If you reaaaally like that suntrike you should consider just going QE.
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On August 27 2012 22:43 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 22:13 ChriS-X wrote:
i've always wondered, what happens if you run out of reserve time in captain's mode? are you forced into a random pick/ban once your normal time is up? I think if its a pick then you random and if its a ban then you just skip a ban. I know the latter is true because zenith did it in a game against orange deliberately, not certain about the former.
definitely a random pick
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Why don't broods get phase boots? Not for the spiderlings but for the chasing people past their creeps since broods often do that when the opponent only sends 1 person to come deal with you. Seems to me it's the same reason ds or ns go phase sometimes but I think I've seen 1 pro brood go phase.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Breaks web invisibility. Survivability. You already move quite quickly enough.
Pub Brood stomp build involves phase + yasha though.
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Could you name a pool of 10 heroes which cover as best as possible the main roles in DotA ? Like hard carry, semi carry, initiator, jungler, agressive support, passive support, ganker, ...
I'm trying to have a healthy champion pool for pubs but I still find myself playing the same characters all the time, not really knowing what to pick, even after 100 games >.<
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On August 28 2012 03:42 mr_tolkien wrote:
Could you name a pool of 10 heroes which cover as best as possible the main roles in DotA ? Like hard carry, semi carry, initiator, jungler, agressive support, passive support, ganker, ...
I'm trying to have a healthy champion pool for pubs but I still find myself playing the same characters all the time, not really knowing what to pick, even after 100 games >.<
Can you be more specific please? I can list 10 heroes, but I think you know all about Faceless Void and Spectre being hard carries...^^
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Well this is why I'd like to have the most diverse possible list of 10 heroes !
As an example, when you begin playing seriously, you don't need to master AM + Morph + Razer, since they're roughly picked for the same reasons.
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On August 28 2012 03:42 mr_tolkien wrote:
Could you name a pool of 10 heroes which cover as best as possible the main roles in DotA ? Like hard carry, semi carry, initiator, jungler, agressive support, passive support, ganker, ...
I'm trying to have a healthy champion pool for pubs but I still find myself playing the same characters all the time, not really knowing what to pick, even after 100 games >.<
For the record, it's hero, not champion. The moment you say champion, something unpleasant happens..
And be more specific about your question.. Do you want 10 pubstompers?
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Ya, please, dont ever use the word 'champion' again. please.
That's the beauty of dota, there is no instant lock best hero in X role. For example, 5 early int can easily win the game at 15mins but will have almost no chance to win if they let the oppo mid/late line up farmed up. If you want a common guide on how to pick in pub:
1) last picker, you should always pick whatever you team needed most or counter oppo key hero.
Not recommended for inexperienced player and is highly dependent to your team (ie it is fcking pointless to do this if you had shit team)
2) lock strong mid hero (pudge, invo, lanaya, storm, qop, tinker, tiny for low tier games).
Do your best at mid, gank, snowballing to help your team to win.
3) supports/warders/strong laner/combo. General supports like CM is a strong laner, aggresive support like VS and other popular ones like lich, disruptor etc.
4) jungler/ganker/pusher. chen, ench, furi and lycan or ursa pubstomp jungler. Other alt pusher can be brood, bone, rhasta, dp etc.
5) initiator/utility hero: es, sk, tide, clock etc heroes.
6) hardlane heroes: wr, mirana, ds.
7) Carry. you know this.
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On August 28 2012 04:45 BurningSera wrote:
Ya, please, dont ever use the word 'champion' again. please.
That's the beauty of dota, there is no instant lock best hero in X role. For example, 5 early int can easily win the game at 15mins but will have almost no chance to win if they let the oppo mid/late line up farmed up. If you want a common guide on how to pick in pub:
1) last picker, you should always pick whatever you team needed most or counter oppo key hero.
Not recommended for inexperienced player and is highly dependent to your team (ie it is fcking pointless to do this if you had shit team)
2) lock strong mid hero (pudge, invo, lanaya, storm, qop, tinker, tiny for low tier games).
Do your best at mid, gank, snowballing to help your team to win.
3) supports/warders/strong laner/combo. General supports like CM is a strong laner, aggresive support like VS and other popular ones like lich, disruptor etc.
4) jungler/ganker/pusher. chen, ench, furi and lycan or ursa pubstomp jungler. Other alt pusher can be brood, bone, rhasta, dp etc.
5) initiator/utility hero: es, sk, tide, clock etc heroes.
6) hardlane heroes: wr, mirana, ds.
7) Carry. you know this.
I didn't ask for this, neither for pubstompers. I asked if you could name a set of 10 diverse heroes which can cover all the important aspects of DotA.
I don't even understand your post.
PS : and for the record, I used «hero» 2 times, «character» once, and «champion» once. Don't really know where you're going, except showing you have no respect for other games.
Edit : by myself, I would have came up with :
AM, Lina, Lesh, Tide, Omni, DK, Shadow Shaman, Furion, Vengeful, and... Dunno, maybe an invi char ? I think with those 10 characters you can basically cover any type of pick you need.
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On August 28 2012 05:17 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:45 BurningSera wrote:
Ya, please, dont ever use the word 'champion' again. please.
That's the beauty of dota, there is no instant lock best hero in X role. For example, 5 early int can easily win the game at 15mins but will have almost no chance to win if they let the oppo mid/late line up farmed up. If you want a common guide on how to pick in pub:
1) last picker, you should always pick whatever you team needed most or counter oppo key hero.
Not recommended for inexperienced player and is highly dependent to your team (ie it is fcking pointless to do this if you had shit team)
2) lock strong mid hero (pudge, invo, lanaya, storm, qop, tinker, tiny for low tier games).
Do your best at mid, gank, snowballing to help your team to win.
3) supports/warders/strong laner/combo. General supports like CM is a strong laner, aggresive support like VS and other popular ones like lich, disruptor etc.
4) jungler/ganker/pusher. chen, ench, furi and lycan or ursa pubstomp jungler. Other alt pusher can be brood, bone, rhasta, dp etc.
5) initiator/utility hero: es, sk, tide, clock etc heroes.
6) hardlane heroes: wr, mirana, ds.
7) Carry. you know this. I didn't ask for this, neither for pubstompers. I asked if you could name a set of 10 diverse heroes which can cover all the important aspects of DotA. I don't even understand your post. PS : and for the record, I used «hero» 2 times, «character» once, and «champion» once. Don't really know where you're going, except showing you have no respect for other games. Edit : by myself, I would have came up with : AM, Lina, Lesh, Tide, Omni, DK, Shadow Shaman, Furion, Vengeful, and... Dunno, maybe an invi char ? I think with those 10 characters you can basically cover any type of pick you need.
Well then the answer is still the same: 'there is no such thing exists' because every hero in dota is unique. I get what you mean though but i highly dislike the idea of only playing certain heroes. My post was a quick summary of what generally you should pick according to roles.
May be it would better if you asked 'what is your favourite/most frequently used 10 heroes'.
Edit: Don't get too sensitive with us saying don't use 'champion', it is just a good reminder for you not to use that word in dota forum.
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bind M "dota_spectator_mode 1"
-allows me to switch to free camera by pressing M.
Question: Is there a similar way to bind the caster camera, say Tobi's camera, during broadcast game in DotaTV?
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On August 28 2012 06:06 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 05:17 mr_tolkien wrote:On August 28 2012 04:45 BurningSera wrote:
Ya, please, dont ever use the word 'champion' again. please.
That's the beauty of dota, there is no instant lock best hero in X role. For example, 5 early int can easily win the game at 15mins but will have almost no chance to win if they let the oppo mid/late line up farmed up. If you want a common guide on how to pick in pub:
1) last picker, you should always pick whatever you team needed most or counter oppo key hero.
Not recommended for inexperienced player and is highly dependent to your team (ie it is fcking pointless to do this if you had shit team)
2) lock strong mid hero (pudge, invo, lanaya, storm, qop, tinker, tiny for low tier games).
Do your best at mid, gank, snowballing to help your team to win.
3) supports/warders/strong laner/combo. General supports like CM is a strong laner, aggresive support like VS and other popular ones like lich, disruptor etc.
4) jungler/ganker/pusher. chen, ench, furi and lycan or ursa pubstomp jungler. Other alt pusher can be brood, bone, rhasta, dp etc.
5) initiator/utility hero: es, sk, tide, clock etc heroes.
6) hardlane heroes: wr, mirana, ds.
7) Carry. you know this. I didn't ask for this, neither for pubstompers. I asked if you could name a set of 10 diverse heroes which can cover all the important aspects of DotA. I don't even understand your post. PS : and for the record, I used «hero» 2 times, «character» once, and «champion» once. Don't really know where you're going, except showing you have no respect for other games. Edit : by myself, I would have came up with : AM, Lina, Lesh, Tide, Omni, DK, Shadow Shaman, Furion, Vengeful, and... Dunno, maybe an invi char ? I think with those 10 characters you can basically cover any type of pick you need. Well then the answer is still the same: 'there is no such thing exists' because every hero in dota is unique. I get what you mean though but i highly dislike the idea of only playing certain heroes. My post was a quick summary of what generally you should pick according to roles. May be it would better if you asked 'what is your favourite/most frequently used 10 heroes'. Edit: Don't get too sensitive with us saying don't use 'champion', it is just a good reminder for you not to use that word in dota forum.
I don't get you. I'm not a retard and know every pick is situational, I'm just asking a baseline 10 heroes to master to be able to face any general picking need. Not a list of which hero goes in which position, I can find that anywhere and already know it for the most part.
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On August 28 2012 06:50 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 06:06 BurningSera wrote:On August 28 2012 05:17 mr_tolkien wrote:On August 28 2012 04:45 BurningSera wrote:
Ya, please, dont ever use the word 'champion' again. please.
That's the beauty of dota, there is no instant lock best hero in X role. For example, 5 early int can easily win the game at 15mins but will have almost no chance to win if they let the oppo mid/late line up farmed up. If you want a common guide on how to pick in pub:
1) last picker, you should always pick whatever you team needed most or counter oppo key hero.
Not recommended for inexperienced player and is highly dependent to your team (ie it is fcking pointless to do this if you had shit team)
2) lock strong mid hero (pudge, invo, lanaya, storm, qop, tinker, tiny for low tier games).
Do your best at mid, gank, snowballing to help your team to win.
3) supports/warders/strong laner/combo. General supports like CM is a strong laner, aggresive support like VS and other popular ones like lich, disruptor etc.
4) jungler/ganker/pusher. chen, ench, furi and lycan or ursa pubstomp jungler. Other alt pusher can be brood, bone, rhasta, dp etc.
5) initiator/utility hero: es, sk, tide, clock etc heroes.
6) hardlane heroes: wr, mirana, ds.
7) Carry. you know this. I didn't ask for this, neither for pubstompers. I asked if you could name a set of 10 diverse heroes which can cover all the important aspects of DotA. I don't even understand your post. PS : and for the record, I used «hero» 2 times, «character» once, and «champion» once. Don't really know where you're going, except showing you have no respect for other games. Edit : by myself, I would have came up with : AM, Lina, Lesh, Tide, Omni, DK, Shadow Shaman, Furion, Vengeful, and... Dunno, maybe an invi char ? I think with those 10 characters you can basically cover any type of pick you need. Well then the answer is still the same: 'there is no such thing exists' because every hero in dota is unique. I get what you mean though but i highly dislike the idea of only playing certain heroes. My post was a quick summary of what generally you should pick according to roles. May be it would better if you asked 'what is your favourite/most frequently used 10 heroes'. Edit: Don't get too sensitive with us saying don't use 'champion', it is just a good reminder for you not to use that word in dota forum. I don't get you. I'm not a retard and know every pick is situational, I'm just asking a baseline 10 heroes to master to be able to face any general picking need. Not a list of which hero goes in which position, I can find that anywhere and already know it for the most part.
He gave you a good explanation of picks, with more than 10 there. If you don't like one, then there's even others with the same role. His reward? You start flaming him. How do you expect to get help when you're just criticizing the guy who's helping you?
Now as a token of my appreciation, let me tell you what heroes you should waste your 250 gold on: Alchemist, Bloodseeker, Spiritbreaker, Razor, Axe, Naix, Doombringer, Nyx, Zeus, Silencer.
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On August 28 2012 05:17 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 04:45 BurningSera wrote:
Ya, please, dont ever use the word 'champion' again. please.
That's the beauty of dota, there is no instant lock best hero in X role. For example, 5 early int can easily win the game at 15mins but will have almost no chance to win if they let the oppo mid/late line up farmed up. If you want a common guide on how to pick in pub:
1) last picker, you should always pick whatever you team needed most or counter oppo key hero.
Not recommended for inexperienced player and is highly dependent to your team (ie it is fcking pointless to do this if you had shit team)
2) lock strong mid hero (pudge, invo, lanaya, storm, qop, tinker, tiny for low tier games).
Do your best at mid, gank, snowballing to help your team to win.
3) supports/warders/strong laner/combo. General supports like CM is a strong laner, aggresive support like VS and other popular ones like lich, disruptor etc.
4) jungler/ganker/pusher. chen, ench, furi and lycan or ursa pubstomp jungler. Other alt pusher can be brood, bone, rhasta, dp etc.
5) initiator/utility hero: es, sk, tide, clock etc heroes.
6) hardlane heroes: wr, mirana, ds.
7) Carry. you know this. I didn't ask for this, neither for pubstompers. I asked if you could name a set of 10 diverse heroes which can cover all the important aspects of DotA. I don't even understand your post. PS : and for the record, I used «hero» 2 times, «character» once, and «champion» once. Don't really know where you're going, except showing you have no respect for other games. Edit : by myself, I would have came up with : AM, Lina, Lesh, Tide, Omni, DK, Shadow Shaman, Furion, Vengeful, and... Dunno, maybe an invi char ? I think with those 10 characters you can basically cover any type of pick you need.
Support/roamer lina and vengeful is very similar in playstyle, but you can lane Lina mid then it's very similar to mid lesh or SS (minus a bit of pushing pwr) Mirana can do all but push and aoe disable, NP can do all but babysit, aoedisable and trilane. There are a lot of heroes in that list that cover the same role, NP is like the jolly joker of heroes :D, you also lack a ganker semicarry (ok, NP can play that role too, but we are talking about usual pubs right?). I love CK, BH, QoP or Storm for this role. This is not that easy subject because you can build or lane heroes very differently. Also just because a hero is a jungler and a pusher that doesnt mean you covered that territory. Enigma, Chen, Enchantress, NP, Lycan all play very differently yet they are all junglers! :D Same goes for any other role. You have to pick and build accordingly to the situation, I found semi-carries the best because theyr'e very versatile.
Every hero has its niche (apart from alchemist...), something they excel at. I would suggest that you play every hero once then play the heros you have fun with.
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On August 28 2012 03:22 Count9 wrote:
Why don't broods get phase boots? Not for the spiderlings but for the chasing people past their creeps since broods often do that when the opponent only sends 1 person to come deal with you. Seems to me it's the same reason ds or ns go phase sometimes but I think I've seen 1 pro brood go phase.
they do, it's not super common though
phases are pretty good, they let you run through spiderlings and run between webs and hit 522 movespeed and other useful stuff
edit: @tolkien i agree with ottox just play all the heroes (or the ones that look interesting at least) and just play whichever ones you like the most
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On August 28 2012 06:50 mr_tolkien wrote:
Edit : by myself, I would have came up with :
AM, Lina, Lesh, Tide, Omni, DK, Shadow Shaman, Furion, Vengeful, and... Dunno, maybe an invi char ? I think with those 10 characters you can basically cover any type of pick you need.
if you know the answer to your own question, why even ask?
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On August 28 2012 12:03 zeehar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 06:50 mr_tolkien wrote:
Edit : by myself, I would have came up with :
AM, Lina, Lesh, Tide, Omni, DK, Shadow Shaman, Furion, Vengeful, and... Dunno, maybe an invi char ? I think with those 10 characters you can basically cover any type of pick you need. if you know the answer to your own question, why even ask?
You highlighted the wrong thing. Let me show you :
On August 28 2012 06:50 mr_tolkien wrote:
Edit : by myself, I would have came up with :
AM, Lina, Lesh, Tide, Omni, DK, Shadow Shaman, Furion, Vengeful, and... Dunno, maybe an invi char ? I think with those 10 characters you can basically cover any type of pick you need.
Thanks for the replies. Basically it's «play all the heroes» and «all picks are situational» right ?
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On August 28 2012 12:06 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 12:03 zeehar wrote:On August 28 2012 06:50 mr_tolkien wrote:
Edit : by myself, I would have came up with :
AM, Lina, Lesh, Tide, Omni, DK, Shadow Shaman, Furion, Vengeful, and... Dunno, maybe an invi char ? I think with those 10 characters you can basically cover any type of pick you need. if you know the answer to your own question, why even ask? You highlighted the wrong thing. Let me show you : Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 06:50 mr_tolkien wrote:
Edit : by myself, I would have came up with :
AM, Lina, Lesh, Tide, Omni, DK, Shadow Shaman, Furion, Vengeful, and... Dunno, maybe an invi char ? I think with those 10 characters you can basically cover any type of pick you need. Thanks for the replies. Basically it's «play all the heroes» and «all picks are situational» right ?
yep np
dude, you got the proper answer on the first go. it's not wise to focus on ten heroes just for pub purposes. play the heroes you think are needed/would be good for the situation, if it works, yay, if not, you learned something. stop being an ass to the people who are trying to help you (not me, im just trolling you)
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