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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
August 23 2012 16:43 GMT
#3401
No, chrono blocks absolutely everything. It's not that simple, There are certain skills that work on both types on immunity, some only on one. Black hole is the most important one to remember.
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 16:55:18
August 23 2012 16:44 GMT
#3402
ughhhhhhhh

someone once told me that Dota was a game of exceptions rather then rules.
I didnt realize how right he was :p

so what about stuns like banes and pudges ults? im gonna try and find this in dotawiki's mechanics section.

Dota2wiki doesnt separate the different types of magical immunity
Does anyone know a page somewhere were I can read about this topic in detail?
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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 23 2012 17:07 GMT
#3403
On August 23 2012 22:12 Nilrem wrote:
For OD, if sand king is using his ult, does imprisonment stop it or does it continue while Sk is imprisoned?


if OD Astrals SK after the channeling is over, it'll still continue, only difference is that SK can't move

if OD Astrals SK during the channeling time it'll be cancelled and the skill will be put on cooldown

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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
August 23 2012 17:38 GMT
#3404
If SK gets the jump on you, just imprison yourself.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
August 23 2012 17:54 GMT
#3405
On August 23 2012 17:50 writer22816 wrote:
How do you counter Jugg? I know this hero is supposed to be pretty shitty in terms of competitive tier but no doubt about it, he's an excellent pubstomper. I have played games with him and it's ridiculously easy to get kills, but I'm not sure how to counter him. He's a melee agility so he should be pretty bad in lane, but he also has his bladefury which does a ridiculous amount of damage so it's hard to come ahead in trades. Coupled with his omnistrike he's a real pain in the ass even in teamfights >< Whenever he lanes with someone like CM and veno he seems to be unstoppable.

Honestly the last few games I wanted to play some real heroes (not like lycan furion etc) but every game some guy on the enemy team always picks annoying invis/stompy heroes like furion/riki/NA/jugg/SB/BH etc. and the games just aren't fun anymore.

forcestaff counter his ult
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ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
August 23 2012 21:14 GMT
#3406
On August 24 2012 01:41 PassiveAce wrote:
well...
horseshit ((

I suppose that means they also are immune to Chrono and all other immunity piercing disables?

Furion's trees also does wonderful things to Panda's ulti.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
frucisky
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2170 Posts
August 25 2012 06:32 GMT
#3407
Still very confused with how spirit bear's entagle proc interacts with basher, mjollnir and stuff
Also does entagle prevent qulling blade or somethign like that?

Anyone care to clarify?
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Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
August 25 2012 07:44 GMT
#3408
I'm trying to find a game that I watched on Tobi's channel but so far I'm unsuccessful. I can't remember the teams but I remember that at one point there was a fight in the Radiant jungle where the Dire was completely wiped out and from the Radiant only Invoker alive (with a probably double or triple kill to his name) If anyone can remember the game and tell me I'd be really really happy because it was a fun game.
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tpmraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States833 Posts
August 25 2012 09:41 GMT
#3409
How do i watch replays i dl? are they stored in a folder i can get to in the game client, or do i need to find them outside the client. if its the later, whats the name of the folder.

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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 25 2012 09:47 GMT
#3410
On August 25 2012 18:41 tpmraven wrote:
How do i watch replays i dl? are they stored in a folder i can get to in the game client, or do i need to find them outside the client. if its the later, whats the name of the folder.



folder should be, for most people

C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/dota 2 beta/dota/replays
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 25 2012 16:07 GMT
#3411
On August 25 2012 15:32 frucisky wrote:
Still very confused with how spirit bear's entagle proc interacts with basher, mjollnir and stuff
Also does entagle prevent qulling blade or somethign like that?

Anyone care to clarify?

Basher and Entangle have no interaction. Their proc chances are calculated separately, and they don't prevent each other from proccing in any way because bashes are not orb effects.

Entangle and Mjollnir have their proc chances calculated separately, but they can't proc on the same attack. One will take priority over the other (I think it's Entangle, but not sure in DotA 2). This is because two orb effects cannot both be procced on the same attack.

Quelling Blade and Entangle do not have any interaction. They used to have issues together in DotA 1, but those issues were fixed moving to the new engine.
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Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
August 26 2012 20:12 GMT
#3412
Why is it that pro Invokers prioritize other items above Aghanim's Scepter? Doesn't it allow invoker amazing arsenal of spells to pretty much control any team fight? Also, what are pros/cons of a quas/wex vs. a wex/exort or an all around 4-5 pt all exort/quas/wex builds?

Thx for answers.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 21:16:30
August 26 2012 21:14 GMT
#3413
On August 27 2012 05:12 Bleak wrote:
Why is it that pro Invokers prioritize other items above Aghanim's Scepter? Doesn't it allow invoker amazing arsenal of spells to pretty much control any team fight? Also, what are pros/cons of a quas/wex vs. a wex/exort or an all around 4-5 pt all exort/quas/wex builds?

Thx for answers.


Q/W Invoker is highly mobile and can hit max movespeed with drums/phase already, forcestaff gives him just insane mobility. Afterwards some midgame item like Sheepstick, Orchid, maybe Euls makes more sense before Aghanims since you don't have the mana to support spamming spells nonstop yet.

On Q/E you won't even get close to the mobility of Q/W so you might as well get Treads (medallion -> rosh), forcestaff for mobility and then either Sheep / Pipe / Shivas / Aghs as teamfight items OR mkb / deso for more damage output.

W/E is rarely seen in pro games and pretty trolly since it's basically all damage/mobility and no cc whatsoever. Phaseboots -> MoM -> Daedalus are solid items here.


... Basically Q/W is high mobility and CC, Q/E is high damage and okay CC and W/E is huge damage and no cc. With all round point builds you end up with being mediocre at everything and not doing anything big.


For main spells Q/W is mostly Tornado/EMP/Coldsnap, Q/E is mostly Forgespirits, Coldsnap, Sunstrike and W/E is Sunstrike/Meteor/Alacrity
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
August 26 2012 21:25 GMT
#3414
Don't go W/E.

Don't forget that most people that go QE rush 4/4 on each element so they can get double forge spirits by lvl 10. You can also use icewall once teamfights start happening.
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Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 01:48:04
August 27 2012 01:47 GMT
#3415
Pro invokers don't rush aghs because they don't have mana to cast more than 3 spells.
=Þ
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
August 27 2012 02:14 GMT
#3416
u do when u get aghs
it's just that invoker isn't high enough level to make use of all the spells if he rushes aghs, usually only 4-5 spells are actually useful in midgame teamfights
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 04:45:13
August 27 2012 04:44 GMT
#3417
On August 27 2012 11:14 Dead9 wrote:
u do when u get aghs
it's just that invoker isn't high enough level to make use of all the spells if he rushes aghs, usually only 4-5 spells are actually useful in midgame teamfights

Pretty much this.

If you're Quas/Wex, being able to cast Chaos Meteor, Sun Strike, or Forge Spirit's is going to do very little for your in-fight strength, and Ice Wall and Alacrity will only have some situational usage. A Force Staff or Sheepstick are going to be far more influential than being able to use the spells reliant on your least-leveled orb.

Aghanim's is useful once you get to start leveling that last orb, but by the time that happens, you should already have had the chance to complete 1-2 other big items.
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Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
August 27 2012 06:07 GMT
#3418
On August 27 2012 13:44 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 11:14 Dead9 wrote:
u do when u get aghs
it's just that invoker isn't high enough level to make use of all the spells if he rushes aghs, usually only 4-5 spells are actually useful in midgame teamfights

Pretty much this.

If you're Quas/Wex, being able to cast Chaos Meteor, Sun Strike, or Forge Spirit's is going to do very little for your in-fight strength, and Ice Wall and Alacrity will only have some situational usage. A Force Staff or Sheepstick are going to be far more influential than being able to use the spells reliant on your least-leveled orb.

Aghanim's is useful once you get to start leveling that last orb, but by the time that happens, you should already have had the chance to complete 1-2 other big items.


I see. I like opening exort because of sunstrike, which allows you to kill heroes on low life running away from your team members (And they cannot kill due to tower etc.) In that case, would it be ok to grab exort at level 3 but as a build order still go for quas/wex?
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ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
August 27 2012 13:13 GMT
#3419
i've always wondered, what happens if you run out of reserve time in captain's mode? are you forced into a random pick/ban once your normal time is up?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 27 2012 13:43 GMT
#3420
On August 27 2012 22:13 ChriS-X wrote:
i've always wondered, what happens if you run out of reserve time in captain's mode? are you forced into a random pick/ban once your normal time is up?

I think if its a pick then you random and if its a ban then you just skip a ban.
I know the latter is true because zenith did it in a game against orange deliberately, not certain about the former.
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