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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
June 26 2012 05:08 GMT
#2821
On June 26 2012 12:00 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 11:52 Fishgle wrote:
On June 25 2012 23:45 Dead9 wrote:


3. me: qwer/zxcvb[space]
other popular ones: qwer/alt+qweasd (may cause u to ping a lot on accident)
qwer/123456 (this one sux don't use it)


wait wait wait wait wait. Why is qwer/123456 bad?

What are you using for control groups if you're using 123456?


I do qwer/F2F3F4F5F6, with control groups at 123456
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
June 26 2012 05:10 GMT
#2822
On June 26 2012 13:39 MVTaylor wrote:
Hi guys.

Fairly new to DOTA, played a lot of LoL though. Few questions here (yes I've read the OP!)

K, basically after getting used to mechanics vs bots I've played 9 full 5v5 games for 6 wins, 3 losses (no idea on number of ones with early abandons, seems like a lot). Every game I've played Drow Ranger as she just seems like an easier version of Ashe (if that's actually possible), anyway, on to the questions!

Can anyone recommend me a few heroes that are simple? Bonus points if you can compare them to a LoL counterpart for my simplicity and link me a build/guide just to get to know them. Found the drow build I'm using on dotafire.

What's the point of out of game levels/battle points?

I have some items (2 unopened chests and Demon Blood belt for Axe) is there any way of getting keys without paying cash? I'm moderately interested in cosmetic items but I've never paid for a skin in LoL and have no intention of spending RL money in DOTA.

Do I have some measurable form of ranking (ELO/MMR etc) other than wins and losses? What is the "highest level" of play without joining a team? "Captain's Draft" lobbies? - currently I just play all pick and probably will until I know more heroes...

Oh and if anyone can answer this question I posted on reddit about a console command it'd be much appreciated!

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/vm2bh/any_way_to_change_major_vertical_health_bar/

Thanks in advance!

PS: Oh, and I found my way in to the TL chat in game, i'm milesvt on there.



zzz... the League of Legends subforum on TL has a "small" initiative for people who know their shit in League and want to get into DotA 2. See here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317167 - feel free to join the fun.

Also note the guide to watching DotA 2 I edited in right on top of the thread, basically all your hero questions are answered there.

Who I found to be great in the beginning were Lion (nuker/cc), Nature's Prophet (jungle with global ganking capabilities), Lifestealer (think WW). If you want to play ranged dps I suggest Weaver. He's prolly the coolest guy in that regard to start out with.

Short other answers:
-You are guaranteed to get an item when you level up. That's about it at the moment.
-Some people will probably trade you keys at some point in the future. Until then, buying is the only way.
-You can see if your matchmaking is low/medium/high by searching for your own games and using the filter. Note that it seems every random scrub and their mom is in high though so I doubt it really means much.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
June 26 2012 05:11 GMT
#2823
On June 26 2012 14:03 lavit2099 wrote:
Here's one I can't quite seem to understand (it's ok, I'm stupid; stutter-step micro had to be explained to me as well). You'll often see melee heroes waving their weapon back and forth, like they're attacking but the attack is being canceled before it actually goes through. I can last hit fairly well on ranged heroes (once I get their attack speed and animation down) but I can't seem to get it done right on melee heroes. How is this accomplished?


Spam "s" for stop, it cancels the attack and makes you look like you're spazzing out. If you release your hero will attack the closest creep. The shorter your attack animation, the more you have to spam it. It's kinda annoying to do on Sniper e.g. =D
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Lavit2099
Profile Joined November 2011
United States390 Posts
June 26 2012 05:22 GMT
#2824
On June 26 2012 14:11 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 14:03 lavit2099 wrote:
Here's one I can't quite seem to understand (it's ok, I'm stupid; stutter-step micro had to be explained to me as well). You'll often see melee heroes waving their weapon back and forth, like they're attacking but the attack is being canceled before it actually goes through. I can last hit fairly well on ranged heroes (once I get their attack speed and animation down) but I can't seem to get it done right on melee heroes. How is this accomplished?


Spam "s" for stop, it cancels the attack and makes you look like you're spazzing out. If you release your hero will attack the closest creep. The shorter your attack animation, the more you have to spam it. It's kinda annoying to do on Sniper e.g. =D


Is that with Auto-Attack turned on in the options? I turned it off, thinking it'd make last hitting near impossible (or the creeps stealing most of them, as the case currently is).
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
June 26 2012 06:17 GMT
#2825
On June 26 2012 14:22 lavit2099 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 14:11 r.Evo wrote:
On June 26 2012 14:03 lavit2099 wrote:
Here's one I can't quite seem to understand (it's ok, I'm stupid; stutter-step micro had to be explained to me as well). You'll often see melee heroes waving their weapon back and forth, like they're attacking but the attack is being canceled before it actually goes through. I can last hit fairly well on ranged heroes (once I get their attack speed and animation down) but I can't seem to get it done right on melee heroes. How is this accomplished?


Spam "s" for stop, it cancels the attack and makes you look like you're spazzing out. If you release your hero will attack the closest creep. The shorter your attack animation, the more you have to spam it. It's kinda annoying to do on Sniper e.g. =D


Is that with Auto-Attack turned on in the options? I turned it off, thinking it'd make last hitting near impossible (or the creeps stealing most of them, as the case currently is).


Last hitting is still easy with it on. The issue is more when hiding and having sight of enemy due to wards/creeps or something.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 26 2012 17:18 GMT
#2826
Is their a timer for when the game counts? I just had a fast leaver in my team and it said that it was safe to leave, so my entire team and then I left. There is nothing in my game history that this game was played, or will it appear when the enemy wins the game? Because atm they are probably still busy.

If we don't get a loss, will the enemy team get a win?
I had a good night of sleep.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
June 26 2012 17:34 GMT
#2827
On June 27 2012 02:18 Koshi wrote:
Is their a timer for when the game counts? I just had a fast leaver in my team and it said that it was safe to leave, so my entire team and then I left. There is nothing in my game history that this game was played, or will it appear when the enemy wins the game? Because atm they are probably still busy.

If we don't get a loss, will the enemy team get a win?

If there is an abandon before the ten minute mark then the game is void and no record of it is left on any of the participants accounts.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
June 26 2012 18:52 GMT
#2828
On June 27 2012 02:34 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 02:18 Koshi wrote:
Is their a timer for when the game counts? I just had a fast leaver in my team and it said that it was safe to leave, so my entire team and then I left. There is nothing in my game history that this game was played, or will it appear when the enemy wins the game? Because atm they are probably still busy.

If we don't get a loss, will the enemy team get a win?

If there is an abandon before the ten minute mark then the game is void and no record of it is left on any of the participants accounts.


Additionally, when the abandon is made, the red text that states that the game is safe to leave will also mention that "no stats will be recorded". If this is not written at the end of the message you can assume it will count stats.
Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
June 26 2012 19:46 GMT
#2829
On June 27 2012 02:34 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 02:18 Koshi wrote:
Is their a timer for when the game counts? I just had a fast leaver in my team and it said that it was safe to leave, so my entire team and then I left. There is nothing in my game history that this game was played, or will it appear when the enemy wins the game? Because atm they are probably still busy.

If we don't get a loss, will the enemy team get a win?

If there is an abandon before the ten minute mark then the game is void and no record of it is left on any of the participants accounts.

Just last night after a big mid fight over the rune resulting in their team loosing first blood and another hero one guy instantly abandoned and it still counted.
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
June 26 2012 19:52 GMT
#2830
On June 27 2012 04:46 Yergidy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 02:34 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 27 2012 02:18 Koshi wrote:
Is their a timer for when the game counts? I just had a fast leaver in my team and it said that it was safe to leave, so my entire team and then I left. There is nothing in my game history that this game was played, or will it appear when the enemy wins the game? Because atm they are probably still busy.

If we don't get a loss, will the enemy team get a win?

If there is an abandon before the ten minute mark then the game is void and no record of it is left on any of the participants accounts.

Just last night after a big mid fight over the rune resulting in their team loosing first blood and another hero one guy instantly abandoned and it still counted.

First blood or some point in time is the border for whether stats count or not, not 100% sure
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
June 27 2012 02:09 GMT
#2831
Is there a way to check ping to use server before I play a game? I know I can do ping in console after the game has started but how do I do it before a game to check whether or not I can play?
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
June 27 2012 02:25 GMT
#2832
On June 26 2012 12:00 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 11:52 Fishgle wrote:
On June 25 2012 23:45 Dead9 wrote:


3. me: qwer/zxcvb[space]
other popular ones: qwer/alt+qweasd (may cause u to ping a lot on accident)
qwer/123456 (this one sux don't use it)


wait wait wait wait wait. Why is qwer/123456 bad?

What are you using for control groups if you're using 123456?


I use 1234 for skills and qwerdf for items, and use F1-F4 (and higher if needed) for control groups. Seems a bit awkward at first but I've always been used to using the F keys a bunch from weapon set swapping in competitive Guild Wars :p
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 27 2012 02:26 GMT
#2833
On June 27 2012 04:46 Yergidy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 02:34 PassiveAce wrote:
On June 27 2012 02:18 Koshi wrote:
Is their a timer for when the game counts? I just had a fast leaver in my team and it said that it was safe to leave, so my entire team and then I left. There is nothing in my game history that this game was played, or will it appear when the enemy wins the game? Because atm they are probably still busy.

If we don't get a loss, will the enemy team get a win?

If there is an abandon before the ten minute mark then the game is void and no record of it is left on any of the participants accounts.

Just last night after a big mid fight over the rune resulting in their team loosing first blood and another hero one guy instantly abandoned and it still counted.

Afaik first blood and 5min in will be counted. Might be wrong tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
June 27 2012 02:29 GMT
#2834
What's the generally accepted competitive skill build for Morphling? Obviously Waveform is 1/3/5/7. I have tried maxing morph second, but I find that leaves my mana pool really low and impedes my farming. So I like to take stats up till waveform is maxed and only then at level 8 start taking morph, maxing adaptive strike last (I usually don't play shotgun morph). Also should replicate be taken 6/11/16 or 10/11/16?
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 02:48:09
June 27 2012 02:46 GMT
#2835
On June 27 2012 11:29 writer22816 wrote:
What's the generally accepted competitive skill build for Morphling? Obviously Waveform is 1/3/5/7. I have tried maxing morph second, but I find that leaves my mana pool really low and impedes my farming. So I like to take stats up till waveform is maxed and only then at level 8 start taking morph, maxing adaptive strike last (I usually don't play shotgun morph). Also should replicate be taken 6/11/16 or 10/11/16?

Morph gives strength and agility upon gaining ranks of it now, so it's arguably just better to level morph at 2 and 4 instead of getting stats. If you need mana there are enough cheap item options like Bottle, Aquila, and Perseverance->Linkens. If those items don't supply you enough early on, you should be managing your mana more carefully. You really shouldn't be using Waveform to farm until you have enough itemized regen anyway.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
June 27 2012 03:39 GMT
#2836
yea generally waveform>morph>adaptive
1 early point in adaptive is acceptable but generally not necessary
if u need more survivability morph is better than stats
if u need more mana stop waveforming so much
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 04:00:25
June 27 2012 03:59 GMT
#2837
Lvl 1 wave isn't really good imo, unless you try to engage early. Morph lvl 1 makes last hit easier.
And I skill replicate only at lvl 9. Dunno if it's good but I like to afk farm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
June 27 2012 04:51 GMT
#2838
On June 27 2012 11:29 writer22816 wrote:
What's the generally accepted competitive skill build for Morphling? Obviously Waveform is 1/3/5/7. I have tried maxing morph second, but I find that leaves my mana pool really low and impedes my farming. So I like to take stats up till waveform is maxed and only then at level 8 start taking morph, maxing adaptive strike last (I usually don't play shotgun morph). Also should replicate be taken 6/11/16 or 10/11/16?

Pretty much always get morph at 2/4 (or 1/4 if ur greedy, but waveform at 1 is much safer). Rest is kind of situational.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9056 Posts
June 27 2012 10:48 GMT
#2839
- Does two Linkens block two spells?
- What happens when you active BKB and Ghost Staff at the same time?
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
June 27 2012 11:02 GMT
#2840
On June 27 2012 19:48 Garnet wrote:
- Does two Linkens block two spells?
- What happens when you active BKB and Ghost Staff at the same time?

1) Having the same items with active effects like Linkens Sphere will cause both to go on cooldown. (They don't stack)
2) BKB cause the user to go magic immune and removes all magic effects upon activation and since Ethereal form is a magic effect it is removed by BKB and you cannot activate Ghost Scepter when under the effects of BKB.
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