I mean it still does what it needs to. Puck ES Warlock and small numbers of Meepos can't fight your Manta Illus comfortably, and illusions of a 6-slot CK still do not-ignorable amounts of tower damage if left alone.

Belisarius

Australia6233 Posts

September 11 2015 21:55 GMT

#22903

They have a billion ways of cancelling BKB-TP though. void, net, puck aghs, wl ult, echo. The only thing is actually stops is fissure/totem (+sheep/euls/etc I guess). They can 100% afford to burn an ult to kill the 8-slotted CK.

It's ok for fighting into echo etc, but I don't think it helps your rat at all unless the max-range cancel with fissure happens to be the only way they're catching you.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 11 2015 21:56 GMT

#22904

puck aghs does NOT STOP bkb tp
only the break goes thru bkb

Belisarius

Australia6233 Posts

September 11 2015 21:57 GMT

#22905

Ok fair enough. There's still a million interrupts.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 11 2015 21:57 GMT

#22906

it is

SpiritoftheTunA

United States20903 Posts

September 11 2015 22:01 GMT

#22907

echo doesn't cancel bkb tp either

in fact, fun common misconception: echo doesn't have a stun of its own, it's just damage. the stun comes from aftershock, which only applies in its radius around es. a lot of units that take damage from echo don't get stunned

it's a big part of why core shaker wants to max aftershock first (so he can actually stunlock) and why 414 is way better than 441 on support shaker

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 11 2015 22:10 GMT

#22908

Earthbind also doesn't go through BKB either, and if Warlock uses ult to stop a TP, they're down a WL ult if you buy back, which usually is enough to make a fight loseable at that point.

Basically the only "reasonable" options are Mana Void and Abyssal Blade, which both can only really be on one hero.

Belisarius

Australia6233 Posts

September 11 2015 22:11 GMT

#22909

True about WL ult vs buyback.

Fair enough.

Ver

United States2186 Posts

September 12 2015 00:07 GMT

#22910

BKB Double Bfly Heart AC

Stacking bflies is extremely effective vs meepo and AM's get mkb so late snowballing hard with them seems best.

SpiritoftheTunA

United States20903 Posts

September 12 2015 00:13 GMT

#22911

why double bfly over, say, bfly + halberd

Ver

United States2186 Posts

September 12 2015 01:18 GMT

#22912

Yeah maybe that could work too just might be tricky to get the real AM disarmed in time. Evasion stacking provides massive ehp bonus if they dont get mkbs. It's pretty gimmicky but good at taking advantage of dumber players and meepo.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8933 Posts

September 12 2015 17:35 GMT

#22913

Not to mention the stupid amount of attack speed for your crit procs over the halberd. Illusions proc, correct?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 12 2015 18:35 GMT

#22914

Yes, but crit is just a multiplier so it doesn't favor Agi/AS or Str/damage in any way. Critting more often isn't "better" than critting bigger, so the AS/damage balance point is unaffected by whether or not you have crit.

AC is predicated on whether or not someone else on your team has it. I assumed yes and didn't mention it in a 6 slot ultra-lategame scenario, but if not, Ver's correct that you have to get it (even if you're not getting double BFly). If no one else is carrying the aura, it's a hugely important boost to both survivability and damage (remember that Illusions offensively still benefit from the aura AS and -armor).

BluemoonSC

SoCal8933 Posts

September 13 2015 12:24 GMT

#22915

i wasn't saying that it was "better," just something that seemed like a side benefit for the illusions by going double bfly

eieio

United States14512 Posts

September 14 2015 00:12 GMT

#22916

wait refresh spec just refreshes illusions and doesn't spawn a second set right

tehh4ck3r

Magrathea7086 Posts

September 14 2015 04:38 GMT

#22917

On September 14 2015 09:12 eieio wrote:
wait refresh spec just refreshes illusions and doesn't spawn a second set right

spec usually gets refresher to have 15 seconds of haunt (haunt > wait full duration > refresh > haunt again)

That's minimum 750 damage from radiance burn alone + illusion attacks with desolate & dispersion on top

eieio

United States14512 Posts

September 14 2015 04:41 GMT

#22918

I mean I know that wouldn't be the play if it spawned double illusions I just can't remember which it does lol

tehh4ck3r

Magrathea7086 Posts

September 14 2015 06:00 GMT

#22919

On September 14 2015 13:41 eieio wrote:
I mean I know that wouldn't be the play if it spawned double illusions I just can't remember which it does lol

It doesn't spawn double illusions IIRC