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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-18 19:35:45
September 18 2015 19:35 GMT
#22941
not as far as i know

i've seen an instance of the abuse relatively recently on reddit too so i'm pretty sure it still works
posting on liquid sites in current year
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-18 23:13:10
September 18 2015 23:12 GMT
#22942
On September 10 2015 06:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
hacker is telling me u can still get ti5 ones from market so there's some hope just not for OLD weather iunno. I don't even use the effects but I don't think I can gift it


We can trade for them apparently...want anything? :D
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
September 20 2015 03:39 GMT
#22943
Can someone look at storm's player perspective here at 31 minutes, it seems super sketchy to me.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1805839871
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-20 04:21:21
September 20 2015 04:20 GMT
#22944
even if we did corroborate something fishy, i don't think this is a SQSA type thing

overall valve doesn't seem to ban for scripts and shady stuff (for now, they might do a bunch at once at some point), so there's little in the way of recourse
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
September 21 2015 11:48 GMT
#22945
When would you pick Razor? Whenever he gets picked, it's usually for pushing hard and giving the enemy mid a hard time because of his ability to steal damage (which then limits the last hits the enemy can get while boosting Razors).

He seems to have dropped in popularity and one of the reasons I can think of is the rise of popularity of Shadow Fiend, Lina, Leshrac, Storm, and QoP, most have a good amount of nuke. I don't think you can steal Necromastery damage but the minus damage can cancel out the bonus.

When do you generally pick Razor? And is it worth it to pick Razor just to win mid against heroes with no reliable nuking farm abilities like Tiny (Tiny can't actually ava-toss just to farm because of his poor mana pool even with bottle -- and even so it will open him up to ganks with no way to esacpe) and Ember?
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-21 12:41:05
September 21 2015 12:27 GMT
#22946
In pro games most teams have safelaned Razor. To me it seems smarter to have him in a side lane too, in mid its too hard to steal much damage, which he depends on to out-cs his opponent. Nukers like Lina and Lesh will stand so far back Razor likely wont be able to steal anything. And while he does shit on a bunch of melee heroes and short range heroes, the close proximity of the mid towers makes it hard to steal large portions of damage anyway. And once enemies get to lvl 5 or 7 or so and level up their nukes, they might be able to CS well even with their damage stolen.

In a side lane he has an easier time running down an enemy to steal big chunks of damage, or even get kills. The fact that the lane are much "longer" really matters for Razor. Also enemies cant just bottle crow to withstand his harass in side lanes. In pubs you could probably duo offlane him with a sup with pretty good results too.

As for when to pick him. You should be more likely to pick him when:
- You feel you need a strong laner because you're getting contested. He can stand well against undying lanes and similar, where other heroes will flat out lose.
- You want a midgame carry. This could for example be either because you want to implement some pushing strat or because you feel you already have a hard enough carry in some other lane. But remember Razor really doesnt do very well late compared to many other carries.
- You're against enemies who cant break link easily. As an example Razor is pretty bad against Storm, Qop, AM, Morphling, Weaver or similar heroes. You're unlikely to get much drained damage from any of these. Even fast melees like Slark or BS can often run away from your link. Meanwhile heroes like Gyro, SF, WK, DK, Luna, etc are much more vulnerable. Razor can run them down with link up and they pretty much neither can run from the link nor fight him back because they're losing their damage.

As for Tiny or Ember: Razor should beat both of the in lane. Later in the game hes pretty good againt Tiny and pretty awful against Ember. Tiny cant run from Link, he can toss Razor away but thats still not ideal for Tiny. Eventually later in the game though when Tiny has multiple lategame items Razor will struggle too. When Tiny hits you for 400 per swing with good attack speed, youll die (or go to low to fight back) before you get a change to steal much damage. Ember however you need lock down or long range initiation to reach, which Razor has neither. A good Ember can likely run in circles around Razor and only fight in his terms. Even if Razor somehow gets close enough to get a link up (which is no easy feat to begin with), Ember can just remnant away. I certainly wouldnt want to play Razor against a good Ember.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
September 21 2015 12:56 GMT
#22947
On September 21 2015 21:27 Kreb wrote:
In pro games most teams have safelaned Razor. To me it seems smarter to have him in a side lane too, in mid its too hard to steal much damage, which he depends on to out-cs his opponent. Nukers like Lina and Lesh will stand so far back Razor likely wont be able to steal anything. And while he does shit on a bunch of melee heroes and short range heroes, the close proximity of the mid towers makes it hard to steal large portions of damage anyway. And once enemies get to lvl 5 or 7 or so and level up their nukes, they might be able to CS well even with their damage stolen.

In a side lane he has an easier time running down an enemy to steal big chunks of damage, or even get kills. The fact that the lane are much "longer" really matters for Razor. Also enemies cant just bottle crow to withstand his harass in side lanes. In pubs you could probably duo offlane him with a sup with pretty good results too.

As for when to pick him. You should be more likely to pick him when:
- You feel you need a strong laner because you're getting contested. He can stand well against undying lanes and similar, where other heroes will flat out lose.
- You want a midgame carry. This could for example be either because you want to implement some pushing strat or because you feel you already have a hard enough carry in some other lane. But remember Razor really doesnt do very well late compared to many other carries.
- You're against enemies who cant break link easily. As an example Razor is pretty bad against Storm, Qop, AM, Morphling, Weaver or similar heroes. You're unlikely to get much drained damage from any of these. Even fast melees like Slark or BS can often run away from your link. Meanwhile heroes like Gyro, SF, WK, DK, Luna, etc are much more vulnerable. Razor can run them down with link up and they pretty much neither can run from the link nor fight him back because they're losing their damage.

As for Tiny or Ember: Razor should beat both of the in lane. Later in the game hes pretty good againt Tiny and pretty awful against Ember. Tiny cant run from Link, he can toss Razor away but thats still not ideal for Tiny. Eventually later in the game though when Tiny has multiple lategame items Razor will struggle too. When Tiny hits you for 400 per swing with good attack speed, youll die (or go to low to fight back) before you get a change to steal much damage. Ember however you need lock down or long range initiation to reach, which Razor has neither. A good Ember can likely run in circles around Razor and only fight in his terms. Even if Razor somehow gets close enough to get a link up (which is no easy feat to begin with), Ember can just remnant away. I certainly wouldnt want to play Razor against a good Ember.


Thanks for the insight!

Would it then be ideal to get Razor to safelane and shut down the enemy melee offlane with the hopes of getting Razor farmed enough in the midgame to push and generally have map control?
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 21 2015 13:08 GMT
#22948
Thats probably the go-to way of playing him. You often need to capitalize on your early game and early midgame to gain tower gold and choke enemy farming. If the game is even at 20min Razor will likely fall behind, hes neither a good farmer nor a strong lategame carry.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
September 22 2015 22:18 GMT
#22949
can someone tell me the fucking method of deleting a fucking hotkey in reborn? the only way i know how is setting it to a junk hotkey then setting a junk ability to that junk hotkey and it blanks the original hotkey

also i set my chat hotkey to return and now keypadenter doesnt work, how do you set it back so both return and keypad enter work the same like it originally did before i messed with it to stop my fucking attack button be the same as enter?
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7043 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-22 22:49:25
September 22 2015 22:49 GMT
#22950
On September 23 2015 07:18 FFGenerations wrote:
can someone tell me the fucking method of deleting a fucking hotkey in reborn? the only way i know how is setting it to a junk hotkey then setting a junk ability to that junk hotkey and it blanks the original hotkey

also i set my chat hotkey to return and now keypadenter doesnt work, how do you set it back so both return and keypad enter work the same like it originally did before i messed with it to stop my fucking attack button be the same as enter?


"unbind [key]" in console
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
September 22 2015 22:59 GMT
#22951
heres a list of special keys as recognised by source: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Bind
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 23 2015 00:35 GMT
#22952
On September 21 2015 21:56 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2015 21:27 Kreb wrote:
In pro games most teams have safelaned Razor. To me it seems smarter to have him in a side lane too, in mid its too hard to steal much damage, which he depends on to out-cs his opponent. Nukers like Lina and Lesh will stand so far back Razor likely wont be able to steal anything. And while he does shit on a bunch of melee heroes and short range heroes, the close proximity of the mid towers makes it hard to steal large portions of damage anyway. And once enemies get to lvl 5 or 7 or so and level up their nukes, they might be able to CS well even with their damage stolen.

In a side lane he has an easier time running down an enemy to steal big chunks of damage, or even get kills. The fact that the lane are much "longer" really matters for Razor. Also enemies cant just bottle crow to withstand his harass in side lanes. In pubs you could probably duo offlane him with a sup with pretty good results too.

As for when to pick him. You should be more likely to pick him when:
- You feel you need a strong laner because you're getting contested. He can stand well against undying lanes and similar, where other heroes will flat out lose.
- You want a midgame carry. This could for example be either because you want to implement some pushing strat or because you feel you already have a hard enough carry in some other lane. But remember Razor really doesnt do very well late compared to many other carries.
- You're against enemies who cant break link easily. As an example Razor is pretty bad against Storm, Qop, AM, Morphling, Weaver or similar heroes. You're unlikely to get much drained damage from any of these. Even fast melees like Slark or BS can often run away from your link. Meanwhile heroes like Gyro, SF, WK, DK, Luna, etc are much more vulnerable. Razor can run them down with link up and they pretty much neither can run from the link nor fight him back because they're losing their damage.

As for Tiny or Ember: Razor should beat both of the in lane. Later in the game hes pretty good againt Tiny and pretty awful against Ember. Tiny cant run from Link, he can toss Razor away but thats still not ideal for Tiny. Eventually later in the game though when Tiny has multiple lategame items Razor will struggle too. When Tiny hits you for 400 per swing with good attack speed, youll die (or go to low to fight back) before you get a change to steal much damage. Ember however you need lock down or long range initiation to reach, which Razor has neither. A good Ember can likely run in circles around Razor and only fight in his terms. Even if Razor somehow gets close enough to get a link up (which is no easy feat to begin with), Ember can just remnant away. I certainly wouldnt want to play Razor against a good Ember.


Thanks for the insight!

Would it then be ideal to get Razor to safelane and shut down the enemy melee offlane with the hopes of getting Razor farmed enough in the midgame to push and generally have map control?


That's a standard way to use him, yeah. One important point is that razor safelane relieves your supports of most babysitting duties. If he's in a decent matchup razor doesn't need any/much babysitting and can usually zone the offlaner on his own which allows your supports to do whatever they want on the map.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
September 23 2015 18:38 GMT
#22953
ok thanks i just ended up find the Reset Hotkey button in dota options and my enter+kpenter started working again as default.
they should def add a way to leave a hotkey blank tho (used to be rightmouseclick iirc)
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
September 24 2015 14:25 GMT
#22954
On September 24 2015 03:38 FFGenerations wrote:
ok thanks i just ended up find the Reset Hotkey button in dota options and my enter+kpenter started working again as default.
they should def add a way to leave a hotkey blank tho (used to be rightmouseclick iirc)


It's Esc instead of rclick now. Valve.
Nakama
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany584 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-24 19:11:50
September 24 2015 19:11 GMT
#22955
wtf is wrong with moosery... i rated him so high....


Edit: sry wrong thread
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
September 24 2015 23:35 GMT
#22956
If your team smokes inside rosh pit and if the enemy team has wards in the super cliff near the dire tier 1 bot tower and the rune spot, would they be able to spot the smoke "animation"/"particle effects" from outside? Would the same go for Shivas Guard?

(I can't really check right now cuz the last time I played, my Macbook Pro can't decently run Dota 2 Reborn on any combinations of settings, I always end up with <20fps even on the lowest resolutions. :/)
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Mecha King Ghidorah
Profile Joined April 2014
United States595 Posts
September 25 2015 19:46 GMT
#22957
Is the hitbox change for clicking on enemy heroes in Reborn intentional or not? I want to know whether I should just chill and play other games or I I should start going to bot matches to adjust.
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xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
September 25 2015 20:01 GMT
#22958
On September 26 2015 04:46 Mecha King Ghidorah wrote:
Is the hitbox change for clicking on enemy heroes in Reborn intentional or not? I want to know whether I should just chill and play other games or I I should start going to bot matches to adjust.


It has been that way since the Reborn client came out, so I wouldn't hedge my bets on it changing any time soon.
Mecha King Ghidorah
Profile Joined April 2014
United States595 Posts
September 25 2015 20:49 GMT
#22959
On September 26 2015 05:01 xxpack09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:46 Mecha King Ghidorah wrote:
Is the hitbox change for clicking on enemy heroes in Reborn intentional or not? I want to know whether I should just chill and play other games or I I should start going to bot matches to adjust.


It has been that way since the Reborn client came out, so I wouldn't hedge my bets on it changing any time soon.


Really hope they change that as it makes viper near unplayable without completely relearning how to fucking orbwalk and kite.
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lagmaster
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States374 Posts
September 26 2015 05:24 GMT
#22960
Does invoker's new aghs upgrade effectively give him 3 more levels worth of spells?

Does it have any effect (aside from cd reduction and mana cost) when he's 25?
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