• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:37
CET 20:37
KST 04:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - RO16 Preview3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational10SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)19Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Rongyi Cup S3 - RO16 Preview herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Which foreign pros are considered the best? BW General Discussion BW AKA finder tool
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
NASA and the Private Sector US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Navigating the Risks and Rew…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2274 users

Simple Questions, Simple Answers - Page 1148

Forum Index > Dota 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1254 Next
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-18 19:35:45
September 18 2015 19:35 GMT
#22941
not as far as i know

i've seen an instance of the abuse relatively recently on reddit too so i'm pretty sure it still works
posting on liquid sites in current year
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-18 23:13:10
September 18 2015 23:12 GMT
#22942
On September 10 2015 06:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
hacker is telling me u can still get ti5 ones from market so there's some hope just not for OLD weather iunno. I don't even use the effects but I don't think I can gift it


We can trade for them apparently...want anything? :D
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
September 20 2015 03:39 GMT
#22943
Can someone look at storm's player perspective here at 31 minutes, it seems super sketchy to me.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1805839871
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-20 04:21:21
September 20 2015 04:20 GMT
#22944
even if we did corroborate something fishy, i don't think this is a SQSA type thing

overall valve doesn't seem to ban for scripts and shady stuff (for now, they might do a bunch at once at some point), so there's little in the way of recourse
posting on liquid sites in current year
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
September 21 2015 11:48 GMT
#22945
When would you pick Razor? Whenever he gets picked, it's usually for pushing hard and giving the enemy mid a hard time because of his ability to steal damage (which then limits the last hits the enemy can get while boosting Razors).

He seems to have dropped in popularity and one of the reasons I can think of is the rise of popularity of Shadow Fiend, Lina, Leshrac, Storm, and QoP, most have a good amount of nuke. I don't think you can steal Necromastery damage but the minus damage can cancel out the bonus.

When do you generally pick Razor? And is it worth it to pick Razor just to win mid against heroes with no reliable nuking farm abilities like Tiny (Tiny can't actually ava-toss just to farm because of his poor mana pool even with bottle -- and even so it will open him up to ganks with no way to esacpe) and Ember?
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-21 12:41:05
September 21 2015 12:27 GMT
#22946
In pro games most teams have safelaned Razor. To me it seems smarter to have him in a side lane too, in mid its too hard to steal much damage, which he depends on to out-cs his opponent. Nukers like Lina and Lesh will stand so far back Razor likely wont be able to steal anything. And while he does shit on a bunch of melee heroes and short range heroes, the close proximity of the mid towers makes it hard to steal large portions of damage anyway. And once enemies get to lvl 5 or 7 or so and level up their nukes, they might be able to CS well even with their damage stolen.

In a side lane he has an easier time running down an enemy to steal big chunks of damage, or even get kills. The fact that the lane are much "longer" really matters for Razor. Also enemies cant just bottle crow to withstand his harass in side lanes. In pubs you could probably duo offlane him with a sup with pretty good results too.

As for when to pick him. You should be more likely to pick him when:
- You feel you need a strong laner because you're getting contested. He can stand well against undying lanes and similar, where other heroes will flat out lose.
- You want a midgame carry. This could for example be either because you want to implement some pushing strat or because you feel you already have a hard enough carry in some other lane. But remember Razor really doesnt do very well late compared to many other carries.
- You're against enemies who cant break link easily. As an example Razor is pretty bad against Storm, Qop, AM, Morphling, Weaver or similar heroes. You're unlikely to get much drained damage from any of these. Even fast melees like Slark or BS can often run away from your link. Meanwhile heroes like Gyro, SF, WK, DK, Luna, etc are much more vulnerable. Razor can run them down with link up and they pretty much neither can run from the link nor fight him back because they're losing their damage.

As for Tiny or Ember: Razor should beat both of the in lane. Later in the game hes pretty good againt Tiny and pretty awful against Ember. Tiny cant run from Link, he can toss Razor away but thats still not ideal for Tiny. Eventually later in the game though when Tiny has multiple lategame items Razor will struggle too. When Tiny hits you for 400 per swing with good attack speed, youll die (or go to low to fight back) before you get a change to steal much damage. Ember however you need lock down or long range initiation to reach, which Razor has neither. A good Ember can likely run in circles around Razor and only fight in his terms. Even if Razor somehow gets close enough to get a link up (which is no easy feat to begin with), Ember can just remnant away. I certainly wouldnt want to play Razor against a good Ember.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
September 21 2015 12:56 GMT
#22947
On September 21 2015 21:27 Kreb wrote:
In pro games most teams have safelaned Razor. To me it seems smarter to have him in a side lane too, in mid its too hard to steal much damage, which he depends on to out-cs his opponent. Nukers like Lina and Lesh will stand so far back Razor likely wont be able to steal anything. And while he does shit on a bunch of melee heroes and short range heroes, the close proximity of the mid towers makes it hard to steal large portions of damage anyway. And once enemies get to lvl 5 or 7 or so and level up their nukes, they might be able to CS well even with their damage stolen.

In a side lane he has an easier time running down an enemy to steal big chunks of damage, or even get kills. The fact that the lane are much "longer" really matters for Razor. Also enemies cant just bottle crow to withstand his harass in side lanes. In pubs you could probably duo offlane him with a sup with pretty good results too.

As for when to pick him. You should be more likely to pick him when:
- You feel you need a strong laner because you're getting contested. He can stand well against undying lanes and similar, where other heroes will flat out lose.
- You want a midgame carry. This could for example be either because you want to implement some pushing strat or because you feel you already have a hard enough carry in some other lane. But remember Razor really doesnt do very well late compared to many other carries.
- You're against enemies who cant break link easily. As an example Razor is pretty bad against Storm, Qop, AM, Morphling, Weaver or similar heroes. You're unlikely to get much drained damage from any of these. Even fast melees like Slark or BS can often run away from your link. Meanwhile heroes like Gyro, SF, WK, DK, Luna, etc are much more vulnerable. Razor can run them down with link up and they pretty much neither can run from the link nor fight him back because they're losing their damage.

As for Tiny or Ember: Razor should beat both of the in lane. Later in the game hes pretty good againt Tiny and pretty awful against Ember. Tiny cant run from Link, he can toss Razor away but thats still not ideal for Tiny. Eventually later in the game though when Tiny has multiple lategame items Razor will struggle too. When Tiny hits you for 400 per swing with good attack speed, youll die (or go to low to fight back) before you get a change to steal much damage. Ember however you need lock down or long range initiation to reach, which Razor has neither. A good Ember can likely run in circles around Razor and only fight in his terms. Even if Razor somehow gets close enough to get a link up (which is no easy feat to begin with), Ember can just remnant away. I certainly wouldnt want to play Razor against a good Ember.


Thanks for the insight!

Would it then be ideal to get Razor to safelane and shut down the enemy melee offlane with the hopes of getting Razor farmed enough in the midgame to push and generally have map control?
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 21 2015 13:08 GMT
#22948
Thats probably the go-to way of playing him. You often need to capitalize on your early game and early midgame to gain tower gold and choke enemy farming. If the game is even at 20min Razor will likely fall behind, hes neither a good farmer nor a strong lategame carry.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
September 22 2015 22:18 GMT
#22949
can someone tell me the fucking method of deleting a fucking hotkey in reborn? the only way i know how is setting it to a junk hotkey then setting a junk ability to that junk hotkey and it blanks the original hotkey

also i set my chat hotkey to return and now keypadenter doesnt work, how do you set it back so both return and keypad enter work the same like it originally did before i messed with it to stop my fucking attack button be the same as enter?
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7061 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-22 22:49:25
September 22 2015 22:49 GMT
#22950
On September 23 2015 07:18 FFGenerations wrote:
can someone tell me the fucking method of deleting a fucking hotkey in reborn? the only way i know how is setting it to a junk hotkey then setting a junk ability to that junk hotkey and it blanks the original hotkey

also i set my chat hotkey to return and now keypadenter doesnt work, how do you set it back so both return and keypad enter work the same like it originally did before i messed with it to stop my fucking attack button be the same as enter?


"unbind [key]" in console
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
September 22 2015 22:59 GMT
#22951
heres a list of special keys as recognised by source: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Bind
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 23 2015 00:35 GMT
#22952
On September 21 2015 21:56 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2015 21:27 Kreb wrote:
In pro games most teams have safelaned Razor. To me it seems smarter to have him in a side lane too, in mid its too hard to steal much damage, which he depends on to out-cs his opponent. Nukers like Lina and Lesh will stand so far back Razor likely wont be able to steal anything. And while he does shit on a bunch of melee heroes and short range heroes, the close proximity of the mid towers makes it hard to steal large portions of damage anyway. And once enemies get to lvl 5 or 7 or so and level up their nukes, they might be able to CS well even with their damage stolen.

In a side lane he has an easier time running down an enemy to steal big chunks of damage, or even get kills. The fact that the lane are much "longer" really matters for Razor. Also enemies cant just bottle crow to withstand his harass in side lanes. In pubs you could probably duo offlane him with a sup with pretty good results too.

As for when to pick him. You should be more likely to pick him when:
- You feel you need a strong laner because you're getting contested. He can stand well against undying lanes and similar, where other heroes will flat out lose.
- You want a midgame carry. This could for example be either because you want to implement some pushing strat or because you feel you already have a hard enough carry in some other lane. But remember Razor really doesnt do very well late compared to many other carries.
- You're against enemies who cant break link easily. As an example Razor is pretty bad against Storm, Qop, AM, Morphling, Weaver or similar heroes. You're unlikely to get much drained damage from any of these. Even fast melees like Slark or BS can often run away from your link. Meanwhile heroes like Gyro, SF, WK, DK, Luna, etc are much more vulnerable. Razor can run them down with link up and they pretty much neither can run from the link nor fight him back because they're losing their damage.

As for Tiny or Ember: Razor should beat both of the in lane. Later in the game hes pretty good againt Tiny and pretty awful against Ember. Tiny cant run from Link, he can toss Razor away but thats still not ideal for Tiny. Eventually later in the game though when Tiny has multiple lategame items Razor will struggle too. When Tiny hits you for 400 per swing with good attack speed, youll die (or go to low to fight back) before you get a change to steal much damage. Ember however you need lock down or long range initiation to reach, which Razor has neither. A good Ember can likely run in circles around Razor and only fight in his terms. Even if Razor somehow gets close enough to get a link up (which is no easy feat to begin with), Ember can just remnant away. I certainly wouldnt want to play Razor against a good Ember.


Thanks for the insight!

Would it then be ideal to get Razor to safelane and shut down the enemy melee offlane with the hopes of getting Razor farmed enough in the midgame to push and generally have map control?


That's a standard way to use him, yeah. One important point is that razor safelane relieves your supports of most babysitting duties. If he's in a decent matchup razor doesn't need any/much babysitting and can usually zone the offlaner on his own which allows your supports to do whatever they want on the map.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
September 23 2015 18:38 GMT
#22953
ok thanks i just ended up find the Reset Hotkey button in dota options and my enter+kpenter started working again as default.
they should def add a way to leave a hotkey blank tho (used to be rightmouseclick iirc)
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
September 24 2015 14:25 GMT
#22954
On September 24 2015 03:38 FFGenerations wrote:
ok thanks i just ended up find the Reset Hotkey button in dota options and my enter+kpenter started working again as default.
they should def add a way to leave a hotkey blank tho (used to be rightmouseclick iirc)


It's Esc instead of rclick now. Valve.
Nakama
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany584 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-24 19:11:50
September 24 2015 19:11 GMT
#22955
wtf is wrong with moosery... i rated him so high....


Edit: sry wrong thread
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
September 24 2015 23:35 GMT
#22956
If your team smokes inside rosh pit and if the enemy team has wards in the super cliff near the dire tier 1 bot tower and the rune spot, would they be able to spot the smoke "animation"/"particle effects" from outside? Would the same go for Shivas Guard?

(I can't really check right now cuz the last time I played, my Macbook Pro can't decently run Dota 2 Reborn on any combinations of settings, I always end up with <20fps even on the lowest resolutions. :/)
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Mecha King Ghidorah
Profile Joined April 2014
United States595 Posts
September 25 2015 19:46 GMT
#22957
Is the hitbox change for clicking on enemy heroes in Reborn intentional or not? I want to know whether I should just chill and play other games or I I should start going to bot matches to adjust.
☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
September 25 2015 20:01 GMT
#22958
On September 26 2015 04:46 Mecha King Ghidorah wrote:
Is the hitbox change for clicking on enemy heroes in Reborn intentional or not? I want to know whether I should just chill and play other games or I I should start going to bot matches to adjust.


It has been that way since the Reborn client came out, so I wouldn't hedge my bets on it changing any time soon.
Mecha King Ghidorah
Profile Joined April 2014
United States595 Posts
September 25 2015 20:49 GMT
#22959
On September 26 2015 05:01 xxpack09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:46 Mecha King Ghidorah wrote:
Is the hitbox change for clicking on enemy heroes in Reborn intentional or not? I want to know whether I should just chill and play other games or I I should start going to bot matches to adjust.


It has been that way since the Reborn client came out, so I wouldn't hedge my bets on it changing any time soon.


Really hope they change that as it makes viper near unplayable without completely relearning how to fucking orbwalk and kite.
☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
lagmaster
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States374 Posts
September 26 2015 05:24 GMT
#22960
Does invoker's new aghs upgrade effectively give him 3 more levels worth of spells?

Does it have any effect (aside from cd reduction and mana cost) when he's 25?
Prev 1 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1254 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 15h 24m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 366
ProTech144
UpATreeSC 118
MindelVK 36
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2298
Shuttle 441
GuemChi 427
Dewaltoss 200
ggaemo 137
firebathero 110
910 14
HiyA 12
Dota 2
qojqva3684
Fuzer 212
Pyrionflax86
canceldota26
Counter-Strike
fl0m3633
Fnx 1000
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox756
Mew2King70
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu386
Other Games
gofns5637
Grubby2956
Beastyqt786
ceh9459
Mlord433
allub369
FrodaN295
mouzStarbuck213
ToD150
KnowMe145
DeMusliM141
ArmadaUGS112
QueenE94
Livibee52
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 93
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 17
• FirePhoenix6
• Pr0nogo 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV567
League of Legends
• Jankos1940
• Nemesis1792
• TFBlade1329
Other Games
• imaqtpie1780
• Shiphtur299
Upcoming Events
RongYI Cup
15h 24m
Clem vs ShoWTimE
Zoun vs Bunny
Big Brain Bouts
21h 24m
Percival vs Gerald
Serral vs MaxPax
RongYI Cup
1d 15h
SHIN vs Creator
Classic vs Percival
OSC
1d 17h
BSL 21
1d 19h
RongYI Cup
2 days
Maru vs Cyan
Solar vs Krystianer
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL 21
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-20
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.