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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7043 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 22:30:17
September 28 2015 21:59 GMT
#22981
On September 29 2015 06:55 BoZiffer wrote:
Been seeing a bunch of people comment that offlane Ench might be viable - how would you skill and itemize that? Might not be a simple answer for this thread...


slahser's guide is probably a good starting point http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=440139305&insideModal=1
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 22:30:43
September 28 2015 22:28 GMT
#22982
Itemize in whatever way u want, but basically untouchable and NA makes her incredibly hard to kill and very resilient to magical harass. Heroes like sky who normally are a pain to deal with for offlaners you have no issues with whatsoever. Your healing is way way more mana effective than his damage. Once you're lvl 6 you can start doing some real harassing with impetus too.

Youre kinda vulnerable at lvl 1-2, but every level increases your suvivability substantially. At lvl 5 or something with 3-0-2-0 you're almost unkillable even for a trilane.
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
September 28 2015 22:48 GMT
#22983
On September 29 2015 07:28 Kreb wrote:
Itemize in whatever way u want, but basically untouchable and NA makes her incredibly hard to kill and very resilient to magical harass. Heroes like sky who normally are a pain to deal with for offlaners you have no issues with whatsoever. Your healing is way way more mana effective than his damage. Once you're lvl 6 you can start doing some real harassing with impetus too.

Youre kinda vulnerable at lvl 1-2, but every level increases your suvivability substantially. At lvl 5 or something with 3-0-2-0 you're almost unkillable even for a trilane.

pretty sure u cant stand vs skywrath as a solo offlane enchantress but prove me wrong (just played game as sky with luna and shaker vs ench+pudge lane, they got completely destroyed).

I mean lvl 3 luna nuke fissure and bolt takes like what, 80% of ur hp pool? u cant stay in lane as enchantress against that.
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 23:24:03
September 28 2015 23:12 GMT
#22984
Yes, then you run away and dont die, use a tango and NA, and youre back to full. 3-1 they can obviously outregen you or force you oom duo to NA usage on CD, but its not effective for them. From a regen spent vs regen spent you'll be winning heavily, but if theyre 3 and you 1 then can obviously force you away anyway.

But if they sit three ppl and spam clarities just to force you away you shouldnt be all too concerned, in a trilane they need to be pulling and stacking or they'll fall behind heavily on levels. Heroes like sky+shaker really shouldnt just sit in lane normally, they wanna do stuff.

And if needed ferry some extra regen or go base and heal and get back. Keep trading. As I said, from a regen effectiveness PoV, you'll be winning hard.

Against sky + random melee carry who cant harass you'll have a field day.

Shaker, as for all offlaners, can obviously be scary due to fissure blocking your retreat of course.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 30 2015 15:16 GMT
#22985
Sky 2v1 with a non-useless carry is fine vs. Enchan with the 3rd hero pulling. Bane as well.

Both of these heroes beat Enchan 1v1 and Enchan needs to develop an XP advantage to stabilize the lane, which only happens if the carry's lane control play is poor.
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the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-02 02:50:32
October 02 2015 02:47 GMT
#22986
Is desolator still an UAM?
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Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-02 02:59:20
October 02 2015 02:58 GMT
#22987
On October 02 2015 11:47 the bear jew wrote:
Is desolator still an UAM?

yes
desolator does not stack with any other unique attack modifiers

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Quochobao
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
October 03 2015 17:38 GMT
#22988
During ESL, Team secret picks brood after fnatic picked earth shaker. The analyst commented that ES is actually not a counter -- why?
Best or nothing.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 03 2015 18:36 GMT
#22989
Doesn't really hit her where she's dangerous. He's more or less useless against her for laning phase, and you have to expend resources (namely Smokes, ulti, and liberal use of sentry wards) to kill her when she's splitpushing. On top of which, spiders are really good for scouting and disrupting Shaker trying to get good Blinks in fights.

The kind of gif-worthy plays that make it seem like a counter at a surface level don't happen in competitive. Expending a smoke and an important 2 min CD ulti cooldown to kill a Broodmother only if she fucks up and stands in the middle of all her spiders at a risky point in time does not make a counterpick.
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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
October 04 2015 11:24 GMT
#22990
Earthshaker counters bad broodmothers but it's not that difficult to micro away your spiderlings. And you shouldn't run around next to your spiders. Use controlgroups or the select all other units binding. I prefer ctrl groups. If you put your first few spiderlings/spiderites in a controlgroup all others throughout the game will be on that key. 2 buttons, 1 for brood and 1 for the spiders is not that difficult to manage. So you really shouldn't die to an echo slam tbh
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
October 04 2015 11:36 GMT
#22991
i find es is good defensively against a broodmother in lane. u can prevent most kill attempts with a good fissure
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-04 13:14:08
October 04 2015 13:13 GMT
#22992
What's the rationale behind building a full RoA before upgrading boots?
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
October 04 2015 16:45 GMT
#22993
On October 04 2015 22:13 makmeatt wrote:
What's the rationale behind building a full RoA before upgrading boots?


On what hero?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
October 04 2015 18:18 GMT
#22994
i get it on slark sometimes when i dont feel i urgently need the hp from treads
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Whispered
Profile Joined July 2015
Australia5 Posts
October 05 2015 00:42 GMT
#22995
On October 04 2015 22:13 makmeatt wrote:
What's the rationale behind building a full RoA before upgrading boots?


I sometimes do this if I have random gold to play with
Start with Circlet, WB Recipe, RoP

165 + 170 + 200 = 535

Leaving you just under 300 gold for regeneration
Use side shop to purchase boots, slippers and sobi mask.

Also have something similar when I random Weaver, 2x Circlet, 2x WBR, 1x Tango, use the side shop to get 2x slippers
Has a really nasty timing when enemy is level 1-2 and your germinate hits like a truck with those stats.

I am really bad though ^^
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 05 2015 01:45 GMT
#22996
The random gold Aquila start is legit.
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therealBizarro
Profile Joined April 2015
1 Post
Last Edited: 2015-10-06 05:06:00
October 06 2015 05:00 GMT
#22997
Can anyone spoon-feed links to qualityupdated information / analysis of the "major" changes to dota 2 since TI4?

Could use an overview of the "highlights" and important changes 3-spirits - now


A quality overview of changes to the map (rosh, off lanes reworked,w/e else). Did reborn effect any mechanics? I see the cfg is more advanced but they implemented most of what I would use in an autoexec.cfg in game.

A little overwhelmed and there is so much garbage to shift through.. I just need pointed n the right direction, thanks.

Anything you feel is helpful!

I understand dota in general I just need to tighten up on the small things and my overall knowledge of what was and what is. Mainly looking for analysis of the changes to creep bounty, hero kill bounty nw/gold distribution "come back mechanichs", new warding locations, has fog of war changed? I swear mid lane feels different, and other areas.. not sure if that's from reborn or the rosh change.

No expectations.. gonna research and play more tomorrow!

A good overview of the new map (reborn) guide would
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8649 Posts
October 06 2015 11:45 GMT
#22998
i havent researched extensively but for me the best option was to actually just go through changelogs and analyse for myself.
all the other analyses available are either vids that are WAYY too long or they just dont go into enough depth.
this is from someone who has been slowly trying to get back into dota after quitting since the rosh pit change patch.
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-06 12:14:28
October 06 2015 12:11 GMT
#22999
Did track reveal Slark through his ult before 6.85 or is it a result of the recent track vision nerf?

Played a game yesterday where they could see me during my ult when I was tracked. (I know you can purge it with Q, but with 4seconds CD on track its still annoying as fuck :x)

I guess disruptor does the same now with the change?
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
October 06 2015 12:20 GMT
#23000
pretty sure u were mistaken, nothing reveals slark thru his ult. do u have a match id
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