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On July 22 2015 01:45 75 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 08:56 DucK- wrote:On June 29 2015 03:46 evanthebouncy! wrote:
blink is basically... u went for a greedy track, and a crazy mofo with stun start running at you faster than you can escape (slardar, hero with blink) and u needed to gtfo.
I can't seem to win a game with bh though, we'd be so rich with track gold but he sucks so bad at taking team fights once the enemy start to 5 man the game falls apart ;/
just won a game against bounty. basically 5 manning everywhere and he couldn't do shit
If they're 5 manning, your team should be farming everywhere else. Especially since you're constantly scouting them out. BH is actually very easy to win with. I think one of the most important thing on bh in pubs is your ability to solo kill. That means you shouldn't build utility items on him. In organized settings you can do that because you can trust your team and coordinate accordingly. In a pub environment, you want to be a threat. Dagon is actually so good on bounty. i always thought you get utility items so you have some impact in the 5man teamfights and help your stupid carries to get kills and trackgold. and going for solo kill power when you get farmed in the early/midgame and are able to snowball.
It really depends. Reason I say this is because you're playing in a pub environment, not an organised one. You can't trust that your team will make use of your mek or Vlad (worst item on him) etc to take fights. However you can trust in yourself to solo kill or finish off heroes to snowball.
The moment you're a solo threat, you create so much space by yourself. I'd say you help your stupid carries get track gold better because tracked heroes die easier.
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United States47024 Posts
Even if you're getting supportive items on a support BH, there's a heavy emphasis toward ones that help to get track kills like Urn and Medallion.
Especially on support BH, Dagon's really the best way for you to contribute damage because you simply don't have the income to get enough stats to run in and hit things.
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On May 02 2015 19:01 Eclipsing Binary wrote:
With the reduction in Shuriken's cast range, maybe Blink is better on him now? It feels difficult to get in range to cast Shuriken sometimes when you need it.
Also, one of the things that I like about BH is that his items builds are very flexible, much more so than most. If there is a "bread and butter" however, it seems to me that Phase -> Drum/Vlad is it, especially with the new Vlad. What do you guys think?
Also, why are Tranquils bad (from first post)? If you have Bottle, I guess you don't need the regen, but the movement speed is always nice, and sometimes Bottle feels awkward because I don't want to steal the rune from mid.
Three quarter of my shuriken are nowadays not on the target I want to kill after I get track. Enemy heroes, neutral creeps, lane creeps, whatever. 1200 range is really good.
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How many hits do you need to kill a walking courrier at lvl 1? 2 hits and only 1 with the shadow walk bonus ?
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On July 22 2015 17:18 Liebig wrote:
How many hits do you need to kill a walking courrier at lvl 1? 2 hits and only 1 with the shadow walk bonus ?
from what i remember at least 2 hits regardless if you have shadowwalk bonus or not.
shouldn't be too big of an issue if you have an oov, it's not getting away.
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SoCal8908 Posts
this is something you could look up the stats for on the wiki and do the math yourself
at level 1 you can kill a walking courier with 2 hits without shadow walk (even with the lowest possible dmg rolls), 1 hit with shadow walk bonus.
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On July 22 2015 02:47 Skyro wrote:
A big portion of BH's team impact is through track gold, which is a very snowball-y type of mechanic. Dagon is a more cost effective way for BH to get kills compared to DPS items so you can get the snowball going earlier.
once you have got dagon do you level it to dagon5 or go for some other item? something like deso/ac/orchid
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In my opinion, dagon is amazing on BH, offlane or support. It allows him to burst down a target without the requirement of getting closer to use jinada.
It's also the best way to enable potential solo kills on squishy heroes.
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On July 27 2015 19:25 75 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2015 02:47 Skyro wrote:
A big portion of BH's team impact is through track gold, which is a very snowball-y type of mechanic. Dagon is a more cost effective way for BH to get kills compared to DPS items so you can get the snowball going earlier. once you have got dagon do you level it to dagon5 or go for some other item? something like deso/ac/orchid
Depends on how effective I have been with track kills. I definitely never get deso on him because I don't build him as a hitter. Even after my Dagon/eblade, I probably go towards hex/abyssal.
I only get orchid if I'm doing really well, and sense that the pub storm/qop/ember/am/slark ain't gonna get their defensive item soon.
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Eblade is not necessary in my opinion. It's fine, but sounds like a luxury to me. Items such as solar crest or hex will have more impact for the entire team in my opinion.
Of course, if you have even more burst damage than your nukes, get it asap, it can only be good.
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Oh yes. You don't need Eblade at all. I didn't word it properly, though the main point is that Deso is behind many other items for me.
PS. I don't get Solar Crest too, because I prefer playing a selfish style of BH in pubs. By the time I may choose to get it, it doesn't seem attractive anymore.
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this hero deserves some recognition. he's the highest win rate in TI, and is an absolute nightmare to deal with at every level. lesh and bloodseeker and the like are complained a lot about in pubs, but bounty breaks teams in a different way.
track is extremely hard to deal with efficiently, and the team with a BH are always in the game, regardless of the map condition.
he fits in too perfectly with the fighting meta, and its really easy to greed him out as a 4 or 5 position support.
probably the best hero in dota atm
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