Since the stout shield nerf, I've been buying ring for start instea, and making a basi.
I leave brown boot and use bottle. I'm not sure if this is optimal or is stout still legit

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

May 08 2015 19:02 GMT

#162

Stout is still vastly better against creep damage, which matters a lot. Vs hero damage it depends but Clock has low base armor for an offlane melee, which favors Ring a little bit.

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

May 19 2015 19:56 GMT

#163

how do you guys do the combo?
hook cog battery or hook battery cog?

I actually hate clock's casting animation it never feels smooth...

Wala.Revolution

7582 Posts

May 19 2015 19:59 GMT

#164

Depends on situation. You can also battery before hooking in.

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22208 Posts

May 19 2015 20:04 GMT

#165

depends on wat ur cogs are supposed to do. u can hook into a target, move back and cogs to push them into your team, and block his team off from him. or you can just do a straight forward cog trap.

Belisarius

Australia6230 Posts

May 19 2015 22:07 GMT

#166

I think the question is: assuming you are doing a straightforward cog trap, can you hook->battery->cog and still guarantee a trap?

Since hook stun is 1s(/1.5/2) and both battery and cog have 0.3s cast times, I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.

If you're trying to do something else like zone with cog it will obviously depend, but you might not even use battery in some of those cases.

Buckyman

1364 Posts

May 27 2015 15:08 GMT

#167

How do y'all feel about giving the Aegis to Clockwerk?

BluemoonSC

SoCal8910 Posts

May 27 2015 15:13 GMT

#168

with an agh's he's probably a great aegis carrier. but I think it also requires you to be a really good clockwork and know how to use your cogs to get the most out of your team fights. that way even if you're the first in and get focused, the rest of your team is able to beat down the split up enemy

but it really depends on what other heroes are on your team too.

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22208 Posts

May 27 2015 15:15 GMT

#169

depends on who the other 4 members of the team are and how farmed they are. it's not like he normally outputs a load of damage so i dont see what giving him two lives will really accomplish

Fencar

United States2694 Posts

May 27 2015 15:17 GMT

#170

Well he has one round of spells, and then unless you have aghs, that's your main contribution to any fights. Aegis doesn't help with that so much, and if you're sieging high ground, sending Clockwerk to go hit the tower and sort of tank the initial wave of spells won't work very well either because of his complete lack of physical damage.

I don't think it's nearly as good as putting the aegis on something like a Timber, Storm, TA, etc., who can contribute in huge ways to fights after the initial round of spells goes off.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8910 Posts

May 27 2015 16:18 GMT

#171

plus, those are the kinds of heroes you draft with someone like a clock too.

i think there's merit to getting two rounds of spells off during a fight though..but the odds that he's the highest dmg dealer on your team

Buckyman

1364 Posts

May 27 2015 17:05 GMT

#172

Ok, so what should a fight plan look like with Aegis?

Life 1: Hook in, drop a teambuster cogs that isolates one or two of them with your team, Blade Mail, right clicks until you die or the cogs fall.
Life 2: Aghs Hook, Battery Assault and Cogs as it comes off cooldown to secure a pickoff during the disengage.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8910 Posts

May 27 2015 20:42 GMT

#173

i feel like that would be a wise plan. it depends on how much burst they have and whether or not that coincides with your cog CD.

but i think all of this implies that you have outrageously good position at a choke point during a 5v5 engagement which requires a lot from you and both teams.

Buckyman

1364 Posts

May 28 2015 03:10 GMT

#174

On May 28 2015 05:42 BluemoonSC wrote:but i think all of this implies that you have outrageously good position at a choke point during a 5v5 engagement which requires a lot from you and both teams.

Point by point
5v5 - You do need your team to 5-man with the aegis. The other team doesn't need to be present as 5, but if they show less than 3 it doesn't matter who the aegis is on, the first hook generally wins the fight.
Choke point - In my experience, a full choke point helps, but a teambuster is sometimes possible if there's an obstruction on only one side, if the cogs are placed right and the enemy team isn't specifically positioning against it. However, there happen to be good choke points near several towers including (if you're feeling insane or have an aegis) the front steps of the enemy base.
Outrageously good positioning - You need to be able to hook the second or third farthest enemy around the first. That does require good positioning, but not exceptionally so.

But all this applies to playing Clockwerk in general during the late game, not just when Clockwerk has an Aegis.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8910 Posts

May 28 2015 13:27 GMT

#175

it absolutely applies all the time to clock, but if you're going to be the one taking the aegis instead of a bigger dmg dealer or something, I think its even more important that your positioning be absolutely perfect or else you would probably be better off passing the aegis to someone that can do more with 2 lives.

Buckyman

1364 Posts

May 29 2015 00:08 GMT

#176

I should mention that the question was prompted by a game where my team took Rosh and there was some discussion over whether Clockwerk or Death Prophet should take the aegis. (We had a carry but couldn't give it to her, and everyone agreed the support Sand King shouldn't get it).

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

May 29 2015 01:07 GMT

#177

If you're winning, DP is a clear winner there because you can use Exorcism to siege towers much more safely if you have Aegis (they can't really just initiate onto her since she'll just eat the first round of spells and your team will counter-engage and win).

Saechiis

Netherlands4989 Posts

June 03 2015 22:56 GMT

#178

Is it worth solo smoking to get your first lvl 6 gank off? Or any time for that matter? Smokes usually stay untouched at my level anyways (3,5k) but I'm wondering whether that becomes a bad play scaling up the ranks.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

June 03 2015 23:36 GMT

#179

On June 04 2015 07:56 Saechiis wrote:
Is it worth solo smoking to get your first lvl 6 gank off? Or any time for that matter? Smokes usually stay untouched at my level anyways (3,5k) but I'm wandering whether that becomes a bad play scaling up the ranks.

At that level team smokes are probably hardly used anyway. So go ahead and solo smoke for any hero.

Xxazn4lyfe51xX

United States976 Posts

June 03 2015 23:39 GMT

#180

Even up until 4.5k maybe even 5k, solo smoking for your level 6 pickoff is probably worth it if you can get a key hero. Their mid, for example. It probably won't be until much higher level play when: a. That one smoke might have been put to better use, and b. Solo smoking your offlane clockwork isn't going to reliably get you a kill.