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On February 01 2014 14:15 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 13:35 Zealos wrote:
I think SnY into small crit then Bfly/Skadi/Maybe Lifesteal then finishing your crit into heart.
I have to disagree with people who think this guy isnt lategame, he is absurdly strong late.
EDIT: And slot in BKB where appropriate Yes he is strong lategame but he is also strong really early in the game peaking around lvl 7 when you have 4 in metamorphosis. If you simply start gaming when you have a manta there are not many heros that will stand a chance unless they have a lot of nukes or a lot of stuns in that case you need a bkb too.
This pretty much. He is kind of like luna-gyro decent early game (aka can secure kills in early game), good mid game (due to conjure image+meta giving him dmg level of full agi morph and drow) and seriously strong lategame (due to having almost all of his stuff scale with items and levels including opponents ones).
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I find a late game build like travel boots~manta~mkb~daed to be an unstoppable wall of terror. Could always throw in a diffusal somewhere in that to watch other players run in horror while they explode instantly.
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On February 01 2014 16:59 Baarn wrote:
I find a late game build like travel boots~manta~mkb~daed to be an unstoppable wall of terror. Could always throw in a diffusal somewhere in that to watch other players run in horror while they explode instantly.
mkb is highly situational on terrorblade (and any other carry that has good dmg by himself). In fact, e-blade will give you more DPS than mkb even with just conjure images, let alone manta. IMO the dream build on him is mass mass stats like: skadi-manta-bot-bfly-ethereal-something (bkb/satanic/hot/buriza/mkb if enemy team bought 3+ halberds/butterflies).
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This guy is confusing to play against. The Terrorblade in the last game went manta first and any teamfight would have 5 terrorblades -_-
Haven't seen any big sunders yet. In fact I completely forgot about the skill until someone on the other team pointed out "LOL he used sunder on weaver".
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On February 01 2014 20:27 Laurens wrote:
This guy is confusing to play against. The Terrorblade in the last game went manta first and any teamfight would have 5 terrorblades -_-
Haven't seen any big sunders yet. In fact I completely forgot about the skill until someone on the other team pointed out "LOL he used sunder on weaver".
Sunder has longer range than Duel. Work from there to catch some greedy bastards.
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Radiance on TB is the same idea as Radiance on Naga or PL. PL is a better pure split-pusher and Naga has better teamfight flexibility, but TB can just man-mode at any time, and the pure amount of damage Radiance gets you is crazy, not to mention the obvious farm benefits. It's a legitimate item on any natural illusion carry.
I've seen lots of pros streaming TB get Radiance. Saying it's "quite bad" with no support is a pretty weak statement.
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On February 01 2014 15:23 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 14:15 idonthinksobro wrote:On February 01 2014 13:35 Zealos wrote:
I think SnY into small crit then Bfly/Skadi/Maybe Lifesteal then finishing your crit into heart.
I have to disagree with people who think this guy isnt lategame, he is absurdly strong late.
EDIT: And slot in BKB where appropriate Yes he is strong lategame but he is also strong really early in the game peaking around lvl 7 when you have 4 in metamorphosis. If you simply start gaming when you have a manta there are not many heros that will stand a chance unless they have a lot of nukes or a lot of stuns in that case you need a bkb too. This pretty much. He is kind of like luna-gyro decent early game (aka can secure kills in early game), good mid game (due to conjure image+meta giving him dmg level of full agi morph and drow) and seriously strong lategame (due to having almost all of his stuff scale with items and levels including opponents ones).
Agreed, he's really really powerful after his first item, but I disagree that he isn't one of the hardest carries despite that.
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On February 02 2014 02:49 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 15:23 lolfail9001 wrote:On February 01 2014 14:15 idonthinksobro wrote:On February 01 2014 13:35 Zealos wrote:
I think SnY into small crit then Bfly/Skadi/Maybe Lifesteal then finishing your crit into heart.
I have to disagree with people who think this guy isnt lategame, he is absurdly strong late.
EDIT: And slot in BKB where appropriate Yes he is strong lategame but he is also strong really early in the game peaking around lvl 7 when you have 4 in metamorphosis. If you simply start gaming when you have a manta there are not many heros that will stand a chance unless they have a lot of nukes or a lot of stuns in that case you need a bkb too. This pretty much. He is kind of like luna-gyro decent early game (aka can secure kills in early game), good mid game (due to conjure image+meta giving him dmg level of full agi morph and drow) and seriously strong lategame (due to having almost all of his stuff scale with items and levels including opponents ones). Agreed, he's really really powerful after his first item, but I disagree that he isn't one of the hardest carries despite that.
He is one of the hardest carries though, it is undeniable.
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tb is so fucking strong at lvl 6 TT
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Sunder in ridiculous, any other hero I would have to change my pants in some situations and here I grab multi kills. Of course I just played one game with him, but my impression was just "stupidly strong".
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On February 02 2014 05:44 McRatyn wrote:
Sunder in ridiculous, any other hero I would have to change my pants in some situations and here I grab multi kills. Of course I just played one game with him, but my impression was just "stupidly strong".
Thats okay, if you can kite him long enough. Or pick necrolyte.
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On February 02 2014 05:46 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 05:44 McRatyn wrote:
Sunder in ridiculous, any other hero I would have to change my pants in some situations and here I grab multi kills. Of course I just played one game with him, but my impression was just "stupidly strong". Thats okay, if you can kite him long enough. Or pick necrolyte.
You're probably right but that's where Reflection + Metamorphosis range come into play so it's not that easy to kite. And E lasts for 52 sec at lvl 4 which is a long time. Not sure how necro would work against him though.
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On February 02 2014 05:59 McRatyn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 05:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On February 02 2014 05:44 McRatyn wrote:
Sunder in ridiculous, any other hero I would have to change my pants in some situations and here I grab multi kills. Of course I just played one game with him, but my impression was just "stupidly strong". Thats okay, if you can kite him long enough. Or pick necrolyte. You're probably right but that's where Reflection + Metamorphosis range come into play so it's not that easy to kite. And E lasts for 52 sec at lvl 4 which is a long time. Not sure how necro would work against him though.
reflection is 275 range too. Metamorph with some slow (skadi-sny) will come into play, but then necrolyte.
Why necrolyte? Because heartstopper aura and reaper's scythe. TB cannot afford to sunder at low HP against necro, because he will die before possibility to sunder, if he tries to.
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On February 02 2014 03:16 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 02:49 Zealos wrote:On February 01 2014 15:23 lolfail9001 wrote:On February 01 2014 14:15 idonthinksobro wrote:On February 01 2014 13:35 Zealos wrote:
I think SnY into small crit then Bfly/Skadi/Maybe Lifesteal then finishing your crit into heart.
I have to disagree with people who think this guy isnt lategame, he is absurdly strong late.
EDIT: And slot in BKB where appropriate Yes he is strong lategame but he is also strong really early in the game peaking around lvl 7 when you have 4 in metamorphosis. If you simply start gaming when you have a manta there are not many heros that will stand a chance unless they have a lot of nukes or a lot of stuns in that case you need a bkb too. This pretty much. He is kind of like luna-gyro decent early game (aka can secure kills in early game), good mid game (due to conjure image+meta giving him dmg level of full agi morph and drow) and seriously strong lategame (due to having almost all of his stuff scale with items and levels including opponents ones). Agreed, he's really really powerful after his first item, but I disagree that he isn't one of the hardest carries despite that. He is one of the hardest carries though, it is undeniable.
Yes. Thats what I said? o.O
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On February 02 2014 06:50 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 03:16 lolfail9001 wrote:On February 02 2014 02:49 Zealos wrote:On February 01 2014 15:23 lolfail9001 wrote:On February 01 2014 14:15 idonthinksobro wrote:On February 01 2014 13:35 Zealos wrote:
I think SnY into small crit then Bfly/Skadi/Maybe Lifesteal then finishing your crit into heart.
I have to disagree with people who think this guy isnt lategame, he is absurdly strong late.
EDIT: And slot in BKB where appropriate Yes he is strong lategame but he is also strong really early in the game peaking around lvl 7 when you have 4 in metamorphosis. If you simply start gaming when you have a manta there are not many heros that will stand a chance unless they have a lot of nukes or a lot of stuns in that case you need a bkb too. This pretty much. He is kind of like luna-gyro decent early game (aka can secure kills in early game), good mid game (due to conjure image+meta giving him dmg level of full agi morph and drow) and seriously strong lategame (due to having almost all of his stuff scale with items and levels including opponents ones). Agreed, he's really really powerful after his first item, but I disagree that he isn't one of the hardest carries despite that. He is one of the hardest carries though, it is undeniable. Yes. Thats what I said? o.O
You implied i was disagreeing with you, while i never did.
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On February 02 2014 06:07 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 05:59 McRatyn wrote:On February 02 2014 05:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On February 02 2014 05:44 McRatyn wrote:
Sunder in ridiculous, any other hero I would have to change my pants in some situations and here I grab multi kills. Of course I just played one game with him, but my impression was just "stupidly strong". Thats okay, if you can kite him long enough. Or pick necrolyte. You're probably right but that's where Reflection + Metamorphosis range come into play so it's not that easy to kite. And E lasts for 52 sec at lvl 4 which is a long time. Not sure how necro would work against him though. reflection is 275 range too. Metamorph with some slow (skadi-sny) will come into play, but then necrolyte. Why necrolyte? Because heartstopper aura and reaper's scythe. TB cannot afford to sunder at low HP against necro, because he will die before possibility to sunder, if he tries to.
Or you could just buy BKB first and be better than luna in some situations lol, He is easy to burst with magic dmg + stuns.
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I've been whoring lots of games with TB lately... My build is Treads -> Manta -> Skadi -> Heart.
Sometimes I feel like without Meta, I don't hit hard enough. Should I be getting Diffusal instead of Skadi or something?
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On February 02 2014 12:51 trinxified wrote:
I've been whoring lots of games with TB lately... My build is Treads -> Manta -> Skadi -> Heart.
Sometimes I feel like without Meta, I don't hit hard enough. Should I be getting Diffusal instead of Skadi or something?
TB fights when he has meta up. That's the weakness of him, he's subpar without it. I wouldn't recommend diffusal because your ranged illusions won't benefit from it. The key to TB is to farm up items that work well with illusions (manta for more of them, skadi for hp+slow, heart for raw hp), use metamorphosis -> conjure image/manta. Then kill enemy team. Never fight without Meta, farm when it's down.
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Is the reason you get q over meta at lvl 1 because you can't afford to have meta down at lvls 2/3? My first instinct was to get meta first and use it to out-CS safely at lvl 1, then let it cool down in time for lvl 2 meta/one point in illusion.
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Reflection on level 1 can give you kill potential on its own. It is that strong.
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