[Hero] Terrorblade - Page 21

On April 24 2014 23:40 ChunderBoy wrote:

A lot of the times, fights come down to getting the first and last hit in.

On April 25 2014 00:25 Dreamer.T wrote:
I agree with the BAT nerf, this hero's ease of last hitting is pretty crazy...even better than AM's I feel. Would a nerf on the amount of range he gains in meta form be a good one? I feel it would force him to be closer in fights, which increases his risk. I think his damage output evens this out.

On August 03 2014 02:03 Noya wrote:
Drums on TB are a waste of itemslot. So is Radiance unless you are Beesa, who could carry the game with Dagon5+EB anyway

You can teamfight if you get a timely Manta+Skadi (say around 25 minutes) and they don't have illusion hardcounters. But in solo queue games, full rat is the way to go.

On August 03 2014 02:23 ahw wrote:


radiance is incredibly good on this hero, I don't know why people argue against it. its like skipping radiance on naga.

im only 4.5k, but with a bit of practice 20 min quelling-pms-tread-yasha-radiance is really reliable, which turns in to 25 min tread-yasha-radiance-skaadi. radiance is better for rat games because you can keep all the lanes pushed out and steal their jungle without putting yourself at risk. skipping radiance makes you rely more on teamfight and your split push is easier to handle.

i think terrorblade illusions are just too good to skip radiance. they last a long long time and do a high amount of damage.

i could see skipping radiance if you wanted to deathball early or something, but the way it accelerates your farm and gives complete map control cant be understated -- cutting creep waves, keeping all their lanes under pressure, etc.

the nerfs hurt a bit but it doesn't particularly affect the farming style tb -- he is still a strong laner and has enough armor to jungle and lane at the same time. the q nerf kind of hurts but it is more efficient to max his illusions if you are farming anyway

On August 03 2014 02:23 ahw wrote:

i think terrorblade illusions are just too good to skip radiance. they last a long long time and do a high amount of damage.

Zenoth:

Radiance hurts your GPM more than anything, it is a fucking huge gold sink which hurts your farming for 5k+ gold because you're not getting stats for your illusions in that time, and by the time you get it you could have been farming at the same speed with the utility from 5k+ worth of items (e.g. BoT Recipe, Yasha)

Meanwhile it contributes nothing to hitting buildings and TB gets 6-slotted by 35-45 minutes anyway.

Matrice:

By the time you earned the 5k gold for radiance, you could have earned 7-8k easily with stats item.

Tb farm so fast with stats item that radiance will never make caught up in terms of gpm, while being a useless item for both hitting tower and fighting (and being useless shit for your team aswell, till your next two item, so for 25 first minutes of the game)
and last but not least: later you'll have to sell that undershit item.

On August 04 2014 18:33 Surprise.820 wrote:
Beesa were you the guy who came up with the "fuck I'm behind Radiance timing lets just get 2 wraith bands instead" build?

On August 04 2014 18:35 Surprise.820 wrote:
Alright, just wondering where that double wraithband came from because I heard someone from VGIH 2 months ago talk about that and I was like wtf is the logic behind it. Thanks.

On August 04 2014 23:08 Logo wrote:
Also about Radiance too is that TB's illusions are (sometimes) ranged. One big advantage of rad-naga is that you can chase down enemy supports, or anyone without serious hp, and cause some serious burn damage which is huge for map control and pressure. Even if a support just comes to clear your illusions or creep wave they'll get burned, and usually burned for quite a lot if you chase them. We've all seen naga games where illusions just essentially move follow supports to burn them down 25-50% of their hp. Without a radiance, naga just doesn't have illusions that are nearly as scary in terms of harassment pressure. It's pretty easy to otherwise just stay away from a naga illusion if it's not doing anything to you until it gets to melee range.

Since TB has powerful ranged illusions a good % of the time the whole thing is redundant. TB can just get Skadi (or even just like yasha really) and if anyone squishy gets anywhere near a ranged TB illusion they're going to take a ton of damage already because the illusion can chase them down while damaging them. The radiance doesn't offer much over just being able to have an illusion right click and chase down an enemy hero. You get that same pressure while saving a bunch of gold and being able to have overall higher stats (extra item slot) on your illusions.

So not only are you not farming faster with radiance, your illusions really aren't gaining very much in terms of a harassment presence compared to just having stats items. With naga radiance works so well because you get a triple effect of farming faster, pushing faster, and having the ability to zone out and harass down squishy heroes which gives tons of map control. TB doesn't really gain any of those things from a radiance because he already has a lot of that stuff and his weaknesses are elsewhere.

On August 05 2014 01:54 Noya wrote:
Even if you get the 16minute 600 GP Radiance you would get 6 slotted at the same time because TB is extremely efficient farmer without it (that's why you are getting 600GPM pre-Radiance).

Let's see what happens when he gets added to CM, but from what I've seen Travels and mass stats are the way to go.