EPT[Hero] Terrorblade - Page 10
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Zealos
United Kingdom3573 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14892 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On February 18 2014 22:50 Zealos wrote: BKB is so boring but frustratingly necessary on this guy :c On February 18 2014 23:49 KOFgokuon wrote: BKB is the ultimate man up item dunno why you say it's boring True. If anything, I find ratting with TB even more boring. | ||
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Noya
Uruguay11223 Posts
The fact that you can use it 3 times for 0 mana in a 30 second fight is so good. TB already has insane damage output, but people can still run after you pop Meta if your team doesn't initiate for you. Blink fixes that and gives you the possibility of backing off in low HP -> hide/juke -> Blink on a full HP (ranged) hero and get a free kill+full heal instead of futilely trying to get in range of Sunder while walking with 25% HP. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On February 19 2014 11:35 Noya wrote: Blink is a fun and surprisingly good item on Terrorblade after a Manta+Skadi/BKB Core. The fact that you can use it 3 times for 0 mana in a 30 second fight is so good. TB already has insane damage output, but people can still run after you pop Meta if your team doesn't initiate for you. Blink fixes that and gives you the possibility of backing off in low HP -> hide/juke -> Blink on a full HP (ranged) hero and get a free kill+full heal instead of futilely trying to get in range of Sunder while walking with 25% HP. With the cooldown on Metamorphosis that kind of build is 100% worse than blink Doom in any non 1v1 situation. | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
On February 18 2014 23:49 KOFgokuon wrote: BKB is the ultimate man up item dunno why you say it's boring It is boring , normally in dota you alwais have to position yourself well and have good reflexes to dodge the most spell u can. BKB is a very i click on the button and i right click on the hero i can burst down the fastest | ||
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On February 20 2014 06:10 Hagen0 wrote: If I'd go for a mobility item on Tb it'd be Force Staff. So people can't kite your Sunder. Hoping that blink won't be disabled in a teamfight seems iffy. You could also consider a sheep stick instead. Movement speed and a BKB will do that as well. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
If somebody else in your team is building drums, I'd say skip it. Otherwise it's an important item to have. I have to try SB/Dagon sometime :D | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14892 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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whoso
Germany523 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On February 21 2014 00:58 whoso wrote: just stack butterflies on tb after the manta/skadi core. if the enemy carries dont get mkb its game, if they do (of course they do) its still the best dps you can get Eblade comes close (or even beats) bfly if enemy has mkb and you start approaching certain values of IAS and dmg. Do not forget illusions. | ||
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whoso
Germany523 Posts
edit: actually, double bfly eblade for a 6 slot build could be pretty fine, with skadi manta bots. splitpushing the base with those illusions solo | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On February 21 2014 01:04 whoso wrote: uh dont know. on your main hero eblade is never going to beat bfly dps wise, and for your illusions, true, it gives 5 agility more but all in all i doubt its going to beat bfly. still the option to go ethereal might make it worth it edit: actually, double bfly eblade for a 6 slot build could be pretty fine, with skadi manta bots. splitpushing the base with those illusions solo EthBlade is 10 extra Agility over Butterfly. Especially with a Manta build, you're leaving so many stats off the table for your illusions it doesn't make any sense to stack Butterfly. | ||
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Noya
Uruguay11223 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On February 21 2014 01:04 whoso wrote: uh dont know. on your main hero eblade is never going to beat bfly dps wise, and for your illusions, true, it gives 5 agility more but all in all i doubt its going to beat bfly. still the option to go ethereal might make it worth it edit: actually, double bfly eblade for a 6 slot build could be pretty fine, with skadi manta bots. splitpushing the base with those illusions solo Let's do some math. Let's say we have lvl25 TB with manta skadi bots. Since we are only interested in raw damage output of TB+ his illusion squad here i will leave 35% evasion of bfly out of consideration. Our tb with his squad has 22+3.2*24+20+25+26 = agility (and 15 AS from manta that works with illusions) for a DPS of something like (29+169)(100+169+15)*2.86/(100*1.5) ~ 1075 DPS (with all illusions up) (or (109+169)(100+169+15)*2.76/(100*1.6) ~ 1361 with meta up). Let's compare: 1) Bfly vs eblade. 2) Eblade + Bfly vs 2x Eblade vs 2x Bfly. 1) Blfy will give total DPS of ((29+199+30)(100+199+45) + (29+199)*(100+199+15)*1.86)/150 ~ 1479 DPS in melee and ~1790 in ranged. Eblade will do ..... ((29+209)*(100+209+15)*2.86/150 ~ 1470 DPS in melee and ~1777 in ranged. So as you see they give really close DPS values. Considering that bflly does not give HP or MP and is more expensive imo it is only worth it if enemies did not have a reason to get mkb yet. 2) 2x Bfly: ((29+229+60)*(100+229+75)+(29+229)*(100+229+15)*1.86)/150 ~ 1957 melee and ~2283 ranged 2x Eblade ~ 1929 melee DPS and ~2247 ranged Eblade + Bfly: ~1939 melee ; ~ 2262 Interesting results to say the least. So overall i favor my favorite build of eblade+bfly after skadi-manta. As for last item, it is completely situational either to deliver the dps or to multiply it (daedalus). | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On February 21 2014 01:34 Noya wrote: Lategame I rather have Satanic/Daedalus/new BKB/Abyssal/Hex for last slot instead of another agility item. Illusions and splitpush TB is strong but there are times when you have to manfight. And I'd rather play Naga than TB but what does that have to do with Butterfly versus EthBlade? | ||
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