EPT"We lost 4 Naga games in a row.... Let's do it again!"
I mean come on... It's no fun watching them lose with the same crap over and over again.
Kuroky... mate... It's not working, stop this shit already.
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
"We lost 4 Naga games in a row.... Let's do it again!" I mean come on... It's no fun watching them lose with the same crap over and over again. Kuroky... mate... It's not working, stop this shit already. | ||
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Anamorph
236 Posts
On April 25 2017 22:53 Invictus wrote: haven't been catching all liquid games but i think kuro needs to stop giving himself greedy 4. They get gh to come in as a playmaker but kuro seems to like playing 4?? i think that was one of the reasons why jerax left as well thats a huge weakness of thunder and liquid. Misery and kuro the old guards seem to love their 4th and thats just a bad decision. Gh on a crystal maiden - I dont get it. I was 100% sure they will lose in late game against spectre ember. Lina is not a lategame oriented mid and naga + spectre will carry the game in that stage. It was not clever to draft this way. I really think thats their major problem right now. In the LD meta the draft was clearly defined, kuro used the standard picks like cent, slardar, cm, ld and they won a tourney cause their in game calls are good and their mechanics are godlike. This meta is wide open and they really lack ideas. Their coach really needs to point that problem to kuro. Thats what his homework should be. Slardar is still strong, they can play this meta again. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
On April 25 2017 22:58 Anamorph wrote: thats a huge weakness of thunder and liquid. Misery and kuro the old guards seem to love their 4th and thats just a bad decision. Gh on a crystal maiden - I dont get it. I was 100% sure they will lose in late game against spectre ember. Lina is not a lategame oriented mid and naga + spectre will carry the game in that stage. It was not clever to draft this way. I really think thats their major problem right now. In the LD meta the draft was clearly defined, kuro used the standard picks like cent, slardar, cm, ld and they won a tourney cause their in game calls are good and their mechanics are godlike. This meta is wide open and they really lack ideas. Their coach really needs to point that problem to kuro. Thats what his homework should be. Slardar is still strong, they can play this meta again. sorry if i get it wrong, but i don't remember distinctly a time when kuro 4 actually carried for the team in deciding games. jerax and boboka are godlike on 4th pos, but i don't ever see kuro reaching that level of play consistently. Its like kuro just wants to be unpredictable but end up just making the team really uncomfortable with the picks and they just can't even perform properly cause farm priorities just get messed up and everyone is playing a hero they are not used to | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
The team looks much more powerful with a comfortable heroes. Even when you know that Miracle is going to play invoker you are still scared of it. Or matu Morph, or GH Rubick... you get he point. As Anamorph said - they got the in game calls and the mechanics like no other team - they just need the draft. | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
9k or not, Gh is still inexperienced as a support player while Kuro is a veteran. | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
On April 25 2017 23:10 NInoff wrote: Unpredictability is very good when it is giving you draft advantage, AND when your team is comfy with the positions. For example our last win with Naga was with GH on it. BUT that was very good naga game, and they still struggled. The team looks much more powerful with a comfortable heroes. Even when you know that Miracle is going to play invoker you are still scared of it. Or matu Morph, or GH Rubick... you get he point. As Anamorph said - they got the in game calls and the mechanics like no other team - they just need the draft. Exactly my point. Miracle invoker, matu morph are all scary as fuck. Even when liquid wasn't performing well in DAC, OG quoted them as a tier 1 team who probably figured out the meta(prob in scrims, i think i read this off redbull interview). Problem is kuro is just outdrafting himself and his own team I feel? If they are just testing out drafts for group stages fine, but i've seen quite a few times kuro 4 just not working out as well. | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
Plus, Kuro played most of that game really well, and he kept them in it as much as the Naga did. And let's hold off on the despair for now, yeah? Sure, they may not be in their greatest form, but a couple of close losses to underdog teams doesn't mean much at this stage. Everyone loses to everyone in these group stages, and all they matter for is seeding anyway. | ||
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BigO
Sweden956 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Herbman
France15 Posts
Still behind the boyz, i kinda wonder if they decided to stick with the same drafts as DAC knowing they aren't the best so they be cant be figured out before the tournament begins. (I'm really not into this kind of bracket btw, whats the point?) | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
They lost it because they drafted bad. Not real synergy apart from hook the enemy lock and laguna blade it. Hook useless against Ember, and very inefective against Spectre. So your initiator cant do shit against enemy cores, and once your mid shows up she gets raped. Rest is damage over time from naga, that doesn't really do anything apart from split push. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
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vndestiny
Singapore3440 Posts
They need to stop picking 'almost useless without their ult' heroes for MC. At least enigma is quite useful without blackhole still. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Anamorph
236 Posts
I dont like it - and I would not bet on liquid. But lets be positive - they win it, then they re up against IG. Lets be honest they face the best 2 chinese teams, I rate newbee higher than IG V or VGJ - they showed in the chinese tournaments how good they re. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Both newbee and IG are very strong, and it will be up to some luck and execution ( assuming no one gets outdrafted ). Those will be games to remember. I am expecting 2:1 in both games. Cant wait to see them. Its a very strong tournament we cant expect to play against weak teams apart from maybe Ro16( only top two teams drafted that). But even then if we don't win against t1 teams we wont do shit. As top 8/16 is not really a result we are expecting. So we have to win 4 times against top tier teams - we did it before, we can do it again. Fingers crossed. | ||
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