EPTLooks like they are going to need more than a Miracle to advance to the finals.
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shouldbeworking
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Looks like they are going to need more than a Miracle to advance to the finals. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
The really must've been killing with it in scrims | ||
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Pontual
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vndestiny
Singapore3449 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
On April 26 2017 20:06 LemOn wrote: I wonder why the Naga isn't working out The really must've been killing with it in scrims The meta is quite greedy - lots of space for midas for the supports. And once that happens - in 60 mins you got a lot of problems. As we've seen yesterday Kuro was dealing more damage with #4 riki than Miracle was with his mid hero. So once you make a couple of mistakes midgame and the enemy catches some air you have big problems with your naga - suddenly your split push is not that strong and the enemy supports don't have to instantly run from your illusions. Once that happens you can't force enemy cores to stay in base to defend and then you let them farm, push and ambush you. Every good team can and will find your naga and then you have 4 underfarmed heroes to defend - not very useful. Maybe they way to do Naga now is the old fashioned way - to rely on combo after naga sleep instead of splitpush with heroes like Dark Seer and Disruptor - sleep into Vacuum wall + Disruptor combo = easy win. This way the enemy will be scared to teamfight you and they will be splitted and this will help the splitpush game too... Don't know... they probably really own with it in scrims i don't see any other reason for them to keep picking it. But honestly game two last night looked way better for the team when all the cores got their signature heros - Jugg for miracle, Wolf for Matu and NP for MC. Also kuro played an awesome Monkey King - very good game. Mistakes were made, but in the end the angry wolf catched the tinker couple of times and gg. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 26 2017 20:37 vndestiny wrote: We have NewBee 's number so I'm not too worried. Too bad after that is iG which I dont see them getting through at all unfortunately. yeah iG is hard for sure but frankly speaking there's a lot of teams I'd say are about equally hard above us in seeding. I don't think playing vs OG or EG (actually we have a better score than EG but still) would make it any better for us to give an example. And there are only so few teams left you can run into in the group of 8  Oh well, one game at a time. Need to get through Newbee first | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On April 26 2017 20:22 Pontual wrote: Perhaps the meta is so greedy that a 4 protect 1 lineup can't make it in the late game. Hmmm... I mean in all the Naga games there were one too many misplays they didn't play so well around it. Also when you looked at GH Naga it's still better than Miracle Matu naga. It is still possible they've just not executed at their best, got it too many misplays and we will see it again. Kuro isn't retarded, he must know something we don't and that very likely is that he was dominating scrims loads vs good teams on naga and/or losing to it. | ||
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kune007
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They really need to start thinking about kicking Kuro. Otherwise they will never a tier-1 team again. | ||
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
On April 27 2017 21:36 kune007 wrote: These drafts from Kuro are just killing the team. This is easily the biggest weakness the team has. They really need to start thinking about kicking Kuro. Otherwise they will never a tier-1 team again. Thats a little much, yes the drafts are bad but you can fix the drafting without kicking someone | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Even with that draft they almost made it. Matu was 1 manta away from being able to be relevant. But some bad luck kicked in. Too many factors... | ||
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kune007
8 Posts
On April 27 2017 21:45 YourGoodFriend wrote: Thats a little much, yes the drafts are bad but you can fix the drafting without kicking someone How do you do that? Kuro is an old guard who can't keep up with current metas. This has been a problem for a long long time and no fix seems to be there. I didn't even watch the game 1 vs Newbee after I saw the draft. Everyone knew the match was over after the draft. They could have GGed it there. | ||
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jack_knife
Germany343 Posts
On April 27 2017 21:36 kune007 wrote: These drafts from Kuro are just killing the team. This is easily the biggest weakness the team has. They really need to start thinking about kicking Kuro. Otherwise they will never a tier-1 team again. this is not kky's fault, they need a play maker not 9k stack farmers, he has to draft greedy time and time because he knows his team, they don't have a real play maker who can create some space, make chaos like jerax or BoBoKa. gh is a decent player but he plays better as a core, not as a po.4. game is over when u draft so greedy and doom has ult still farming jungle while jugger+sf pushing like crazy. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
Edit: I think both MC and GH can play playmakers fine, the team just never seems to come together in the laning stage like they used to in the FATA days. They used to get 6 on Matumba get a kill with ult and push down a tower. I know that wouldn't work in the current meta, but they just don't seem to have any tempo based teamplay like that these days. | ||
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Anamorph
236 Posts
Tinker against omni jugg and nyx.. wow :-) I am still not a fan of doom - .. mc played it awesome.. but its still doom. | ||
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kune007
8 Posts
On April 27 2017 21:52 jack_knife wrote: this is not kky's fault, they need a play maker not 9k stack farmers, he has to draft greedy time and time because he knows his team, they don't have a real play maker who can create some space, make chaos like jerax or BoBoKa. gh is a decent player but he plays better as a core, not as a po.4. game is over when u draft so greedy and doom has ult still farming jungle while jugger+sf pushing like crazy. They keep losing and losing. When a 4k trash like me sees it immediately after the draft they have NO change of winning there is a huge problem. How on earth the team though they a change in the game. They should go back to classic drafts. Drafting like this just means insta lose. You don't have to genius to see that. 1st phase Naga coming in the game2? | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On April 27 2017 21:52 jack_knife wrote: this is not kky's fault, they need a play maker not 9k stack farmers, he has to draft greedy time and time because he knows his team, they don't have a real play maker who can create some space, make chaos like jerax or BoBoKa. gh is a decent player but he plays better as a core, not as a po.4. game is over when u draft so greedy and doom has ult still farming jungle while jugger+sf pushing like crazy. Gh not a good position 4 player...thanks for the good laugh  | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
We just lost lanes too hard when we really should not have lost them as badly as we did. We just never recovered from that and newbee played damn well | ||
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jack_knife
Germany343 Posts
On April 27 2017 21:58 hunter_x wrote: Gh not a good position 4 player...thanks for the good laugh what's your mmr, dude? if u are random 4k player, we don't have to talk. learn to read the game pls. did he do any job like jerax in liquid did, name a game pls. | ||
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