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chabode
Profile Joined March 2017
330 Posts
April 24 2017 09:02 GMT
#3641
game on boys

finally TL vs TB
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-24 10:02:42
April 24 2017 10:02 GMT
#3642
Nice start in the tournament. The draft was good and creative, they played it very well too. this already looks much better then dac. Lets hope this continues.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
April 24 2017 11:28 GMT
#3643
.

User was temp banned for this post.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
April 24 2017 12:22 GMT
#3644
Well at least they tried different Stuff out. Still better then eg;)
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
April 24 2017 12:25 GMT
#3645
Maybe Kuroky should try something different instead of picking Naga every time he wants to secure a game.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
April 24 2017 12:29 GMT
#3646
I'd be very unpleased if those games actually mattered. Having good seed is OK, but you still can loose in the round of 16 pretty much against any team. Also you have to win against strong teams at least 2 times to be in the final.
I really don't understand the new Valve format - 3 days of official scrims that are streamed with comment.
Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
April 24 2017 12:30 GMT
#3647
Well I think they had a chance to win those games.
The draft in game 2 and 3 were better for Thunder - clearly good ideas in countering naga with a morph late and I also liked the ideas in game 2 with bristle kotl and countering mk by tusk. The mobility of prophet showed how you can exploid the lack of escape from an invoker.
All in all great dotes.

Misery is doing his homeworks and thunder is a strong tournament team.

I still think liquid will do good.

My hidden favorites are VP and Thunder.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-24 13:43:54
April 24 2017 13:18 GMT
#3648
edit oops
this is a quote
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
April 24 2017 14:15 GMT
#3649
Our boys played pretty uninspiring tbh.
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
April 24 2017 14:58 GMT
#3650
On April 24 2017 23:15 vndestiny wrote:
Our boys played pretty uninspiring tbh.


The last game Meracle invoker did pretty terrible early game and then just seemed to have such a small impact throughout the rest of the game (outside of a few snipes)
anonymous is the most famous author that anyone can be
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
April 24 2017 18:52 GMT
#3651
They played well in their games vs SG. Obviously, SG isn't the greatest team in the world, but they're no joke either.

I think the main problem is the shitty offlane hero picks not bringing the Liquid drafts together. I was not on board with offlane Earthshaker and Nightstalker at all.
Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
April 24 2017 19:18 GMT
#3652
I dont think someone should value the SG games high.

For me the drafts clearly showed, a good team would have beaten it.
IO gh is a monster, but their IO ideas are not the best. No way this works against IG.

The nightstalker idea was good - I really think against kotl it works perfect... but the bristle destroyed their whole draft idea.
ES offlane I cant take serious, not even with sunstrike disable comb ideas behind - which was what they aimed for.

Morph got them offguard and their naga idea was kind of bullshit in this game. They suffered against 4vs5 teamplays were naga was away farming and morph took the advantage to win them teamfights and get a huge amount of farm too.

I think the hero of this meta for me is terrorblade so far.

juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
April 24 2017 20:20 GMT
#3653
On April 25 2017 04:18 Anamorph wrote:
I dont think someone should value the SG games high.

For me the drafts clearly showed, a good team would have beaten it.
IO gh is a monster, but their IO ideas are not the best. No way this works against IG.

The nightstalker idea was good - I really think against kotl it works perfect... but the bristle destroyed their whole draft idea.
ES offlane I cant take serious, not even with sunstrike disable comb ideas behind - which was what they aimed for.

Morph got them offguard and their naga idea was kind of bullshit in this game. They suffered against 4vs5 teamplays were naga was away farming and morph took the advantage to win them teamfights and get a huge amount of farm too.

I think the hero of this meta for me is terrorblade so far.



I value the SG games because the drafting makes a lot more sense now. Sure, not the most competitive games ever, but it did show a departure from their extremely greedy picks and very questionable picks for MC who was playing out of his mind before.

I'm not very confident after the wins but it was a step up for them.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-25 10:35:06
April 25 2017 10:29 GMT
#3654
Why the team is playing so weird.

Look really frustrating actually. Like there's no communication. Also they're making silly mistakes for no apparent reason.
Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
April 25 2017 11:50 GMT
#3655
On April 25 2017 05:20 juuto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2017 04:18 Anamorph wrote:
I dont think someone should value the SG games high.

For me the drafts clearly showed, a good team would have beaten it.
IO gh is a monster, but their IO ideas are not the best. No way this works against IG.

The nightstalker idea was good - I really think against kotl it works perfect... but the bristle destroyed their whole draft idea.
ES offlane I cant take serious, not even with sunstrike disable comb ideas behind - which was what they aimed for.

Morph got them offguard and their naga idea was kind of bullshit in this game. They suffered against 4vs5 teamplays were naga was away farming and morph took the advantage to win them teamfights and get a huge amount of farm too.

I think the hero of this meta for me is terrorblade so far.



I value the SG games because the drafting makes a lot more sense now. Sure, not the most competitive games ever, but it did show a departure from their extremely greedy picks and very questionable picks for MC who was playing out of his mind before.

I'm not very confident after the wins but it was a step up for them.


If you think this is a pattern - then enjoy the MC Doom now ;-)

They will win it, cause Tinker destroys a 4 protect 1 with sf being the 1, but still... they will continue the weirdo picks.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
April 25 2017 12:28 GMT
#3656
When i see the draft sometimes i think they don't want to win OMG...
Naga again. Maybe this will be the first Naga win in 5 attempts.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
April 25 2017 12:31 GMT
#3657
On April 25 2017 21:28 NInoff wrote:
When i see the draft sometimes i think they don't want to win OMG...
Naga again. Maybe this will be the first Naga win in 5 attempts.

They are obviously crushing with it in Scrims

but DAAAAM
We're so good at normal drafts cmon
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
April 25 2017 13:52 GMT
#3658
On April 25 2017 21:28 NInoff wrote:
When i see the draft sometimes i think they don't want to win OMG...
Naga again. Maybe this will be the first Naga win in 5 attempts.

Its time Kuroky comes up with something different. Getting really boring to watch them secure a series with Naga.
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
April 25 2017 13:53 GMT
#3659
haven't been catching all liquid games but i think kuro needs to stop giving himself greedy 4. They get gh to come in as a playmaker but kuro seems to like playing 4?? i think that was one of the reasons why jerax left as well
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
April 25 2017 13:55 GMT
#3660
As expected. This is the sixth Naga lineup in a row that didn't work. Riki almost carried - but you can't outplay the bad draft vs decent team. Maybe it works in scrims because teams don't care. DON"T PICK NAGA!
Thank you.

P.S Good that this and the next match dont matter. As the only way to play vs weak team was to win 3 in a row. Now every team left in the pool is good enough to beat everyone.
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