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hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
April 01 2017 22:15 GMT
#3601
On April 02 2017 05:50 TMG26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2017 22:02 hunter_x wrote:
Against faceless my worries go against zero. They never even once beat us, if i remember corectly. Because we are the much better team, i expect feceless to try a cheese strat. And im pretty sure kuro is prepared for that. In a normal game, when both teams have their comfort picks i dont see a chance of us losing. Against wings or eg i would be much more worried;)



Eheh, no worries

Alliance flair trying to diss me lol
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
April 02 2017 00:36 GMT
#3602
On April 02 2017 07:15 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2017 05:50 TMG26 wrote:
On March 31 2017 22:02 hunter_x wrote:
Against faceless my worries go against zero. They never even once beat us, if i remember corectly. Because we are the much better team, i expect feceless to try a cheese strat. And im pretty sure kuro is prepared for that. In a normal game, when both teams have their comfort picks i dont see a chance of us losing. Against wings or eg i would be much more worried;)



Eheh, no worries

Alliance flair trying to diss me lol

but u said it, didn't you? where is the respect to team faceless? where is the respect to OG, you think OG are winning because they are lucky? time to wake up, dota is not a 9k stack game. last TI winner has only 1 9k player.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-02 02:41:48
April 02 2017 01:50 GMT
#3603
On April 02 2017 09:36 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2017 07:15 hunter_x wrote:
On April 02 2017 05:50 TMG26 wrote:
On March 31 2017 22:02 hunter_x wrote:
Against faceless my worries go against zero. They never even once beat us, if i remember corectly. Because we are the much better team, i expect feceless to try a cheese strat. And im pretty sure kuro is prepared for that. In a normal game, when both teams have their comfort picks i dont see a chance of us losing. Against wings or eg i would be much more worried;)



Eheh, no worries

Alliance flair trying to diss me lol

but u said it, didn't you? where is the respect to team faceless? where is the respect to OG, you think OG are winning because they are lucky? time to wake up, dota is not a 9k stack game. last TI winner has only 1 9k player.

I gave credit to faceless, just not in this thread. And with og i give them respect, but for their strategy, not so much for their players. So i give a lot of credit to fly, in this case. But when some alliance fan comes to this thread, and tries to diss me, i can only laugh. Because its a obvious try to hate on me personal, because some guys are obviously still butthurt what i wrote 2-3 month ago. i did not talk bad about alliance for a long time now.
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
April 02 2017 09:10 GMT
#3604

Because its a obvious try to hate on me personal


Taking things personal. I just thought it was funny all that confidence, and then TL fell flat.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
April 02 2017 09:31 GMT
#3605
On April 02 2017 18:10 TMG26 wrote:
Show nested quote +

Because its a obvious try to hate on me personal


Taking things personal. I just thought it was funny all that confidence, and then TL fell flat.

Yeah for sure bro, i also always only found it funny to troll in the alliance thread...
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
April 03 2017 10:19 GMT
#3606
On April 02 2017 10:50 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2017 09:36 jack_knife wrote:
On April 02 2017 07:15 hunter_x wrote:
On April 02 2017 05:50 TMG26 wrote:
On March 31 2017 22:02 hunter_x wrote:
Against faceless my worries go against zero. They never even once beat us, if i remember corectly. Because we are the much better team, i expect feceless to try a cheese strat. And im pretty sure kuro is prepared for that. In a normal game, when both teams have their comfort picks i dont see a chance of us losing. Against wings or eg i would be much more worried;)



Eheh, no worries

Alliance flair trying to diss me lol

but u said it, didn't you? where is the respect to team faceless? where is the respect to OG, you think OG are winning because they are lucky? time to wake up, dota is not a 9k stack game. last TI winner has only 1 9k player.

I gave credit to faceless, just not in this thread. And with og i give them respect, but for their strategy, not so much for their players. So i give a lot of credit to fly, in this case. But when some alliance fan comes to this thread, and tries to diss me, i can only laugh. Because its a obvious try to hate on me personal, because some guys are obviously still butthurt what i wrote 2-3 month ago. i did not talk bad about alliance for a long time now.

it's none thing to do with your trolling in A'Thread(because you get rekt in A'Thread anyway), it's about you jumping out judging other teams you dislike and have no clue about them, i felt funny, so i wrote it. being a fan of team liquid, you have to know the team you are supporting, and looks like you don't know your team at all (their play, their issues).
back to alliance, i admit alliance is a tier2 team, they have 0 chance against team like OG, IG even they play their best. but they 100% have ability to beat this team liquid if they can play their best.

the issue in new team liquid is so obviously: they are struggling with their resource and role distrbution for a long time. looks like the issue still remains. gh is a very decent player but he can't alway be supporter because of his limited supporter hero pool. MC is a miss and hit player(still better than jonas), his disaster performance on magnus cost their last game. miracle didn't find 60% his best in OG yet and MATUMBAMAN is playing very uncomfortable because this 9k resource distribution issue. kky can't support team along because he is a miss and hit player also. they won 5 games in dac so far and won two of 5 with naga strategy. if they keep doing this in kiev, am pretty sure there will be a role change after kiev major.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-03 12:04:53
April 03 2017 12:03 GMT
#3607
On April 03 2017 19:19 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2017 10:50 hunter_x wrote:
On April 02 2017 09:36 jack_knife wrote:
On April 02 2017 07:15 hunter_x wrote:
On April 02 2017 05:50 TMG26 wrote:
On March 31 2017 22:02 hunter_x wrote:
Against faceless my worries go against zero. They never even once beat us, if i remember corectly. Because we are the much better team, i expect feceless to try a cheese strat. And im pretty sure kuro is prepared for that. In a normal game, when both teams have their comfort picks i dont see a chance of us losing. Against wings or eg i would be much more worried;)



Eheh, no worries

Alliance flair trying to diss me lol

but u said it, didn't you? where is the respect to team faceless? where is the respect to OG, you think OG are winning because they are lucky? time to wake up, dota is not a 9k stack game. last TI winner has only 1 9k player.

I gave credit to faceless, just not in this thread. And with og i give them respect, but for their strategy, not so much for their players. So i give a lot of credit to fly, in this case. But when some alliance fan comes to this thread, and tries to diss me, i can only laugh. Because its a obvious try to hate on me personal, because some guys are obviously still butthurt what i wrote 2-3 month ago. i did not talk bad about alliance for a long time now.

it's none thing to do with your trolling in A'Thread(because you get rekt in A'Thread anyway), it's about you jumping out judging other teams you dislike and have no clue about them, i felt funny, so i wrote it. being a fan of team liquid, you have to know the team you are supporting, and looks like you don't know your team at all (their play, their issues).
back to alliance, i admit alliance is a tier2 team, they have 0 chance against team like OG, IG even they play their best. but they 100% have ability to beat this team liquid if they can play their best.

the issue in new team liquid is so obviously: they are struggling with their resource and role distrbution for a long time. looks like the issue still remains. gh is a very decent player but he can't alway be supporter because of his limited supporter hero pool. MC is a miss and hit player(still better than jonas), his disaster performance on magnus cost their last game. miracle didn't find 60% his best in OG yet and MATUMBAMAN is playing very uncomfortable because this 9k resource distribution issue. kky can't support team along because he is a miss and hit player also. they won 5 games in dac so far and won two of 5 with naga strategy. if they keep doing this in kiev, am pretty sure there will be a role change after kiev major.

The first part of your post ist so trolling and bad, i wont even bother answering. What you write about liquid does tell me you dont know shit. All this stuff you write are the things people say about liquid when they in reality dont know anything. Matu and miracle farm distribution? Gh limited hero pool? Mc hit and miss player? Have you seen starladder? Compare it to dac. These are draft and strategy issues, its not about the players.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
April 03 2017 13:51 GMT
#3608
On April 03 2017 21:03 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2017 19:19 jack_knife wrote:
On April 02 2017 10:50 hunter_x wrote:
On April 02 2017 09:36 jack_knife wrote:
On April 02 2017 07:15 hunter_x wrote:
On April 02 2017 05:50 TMG26 wrote:
On March 31 2017 22:02 hunter_x wrote:
Against faceless my worries go against zero. They never even once beat us, if i remember corectly. Because we are the much better team, i expect feceless to try a cheese strat. And im pretty sure kuro is prepared for that. In a normal game, when both teams have their comfort picks i dont see a chance of us losing. Against wings or eg i would be much more worried;)



Eheh, no worries

Alliance flair trying to diss me lol

but u said it, didn't you? where is the respect to team faceless? where is the respect to OG, you think OG are winning because they are lucky? time to wake up, dota is not a 9k stack game. last TI winner has only 1 9k player.

I gave credit to faceless, just not in this thread. And with og i give them respect, but for their strategy, not so much for their players. So i give a lot of credit to fly, in this case. But when some alliance fan comes to this thread, and tries to diss me, i can only laugh. Because its a obvious try to hate on me personal, because some guys are obviously still butthurt what i wrote 2-3 month ago. i did not talk bad about alliance for a long time now.

it's none thing to do with your trolling in A'Thread(because you get rekt in A'Thread anyway), it's about you jumping out judging other teams you dislike and have no clue about them, i felt funny, so i wrote it. being a fan of team liquid, you have to know the team you are supporting, and looks like you don't know your team at all (their play, their issues).
back to alliance, i admit alliance is a tier2 team, they have 0 chance against team like OG, IG even they play their best. but they 100% have ability to beat this team liquid if they can play their best.

the issue in new team liquid is so obviously: they are struggling with their resource and role distrbution for a long time. looks like the issue still remains. gh is a very decent player but he can't alway be supporter because of his limited supporter hero pool. MC is a miss and hit player(still better than jonas), his disaster performance on magnus cost their last game. miracle didn't find 60% his best in OG yet and MATUMBAMAN is playing very uncomfortable because this 9k resource distribution issue. kky can't support team along because he is a miss and hit player also. they won 5 games in dac so far and won two of 5 with naga strategy. if they keep doing this in kiev, am pretty sure there will be a role change after kiev major.

The first part of your post ist so trolling and bad, i wont even bother answering. What you write about liquid does tell me you dont know shit. All this stuff you write are the things people say about liquid when they in reality dont know anything. Matu and miracle farm distribution? Gh limited hero pool? Mc hit and miss player? Have you seen starladder? Compare it to dac. These are draft and strategy issues, its not about the players.

ok, i get it, you are mad, no more discussion needed.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
April 03 2017 14:51 GMT
#3609
I think these Liquid issues are the same issues that they had with their previous lineup. The draft doesnt take advantage of their players in the best possible way. Putting Miracle- on a support hero makes no sense, just like how Kuro used to draft like Ogre for Jerax and Rubick for himself. Kuro has a good Rubick, don't get me wrong, but Jerax has a legendary Rubick. Most of the issues regarding Liquid seem to be revolving around Kuro IMO
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
f0xteam
Profile Joined December 2015
79 Posts
April 03 2017 22:58 GMT
#3610
i personally hated the bo1 pick vs faceless. just let miracle mid pls. on the bright side we can assume they were hiding tactics for the major :D
kek
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
April 03 2017 23:44 GMT
#3611
On April 03 2017 23:51 wims80 wrote:
I think these Liquid issues are the same issues that they had with their previous lineup. The draft doesnt take advantage of their players in the best possible way. Putting Miracle- on a support hero makes no sense, just like how Kuro used to draft like Ogre for Jerax and Rubick for himself. Kuro has a good Rubick, don't get me wrong, but Jerax has a legendary Rubick. Most of the issues regarding Liquid seem to be revolving around Kuro IMO

Kuro is the one with the legendary rubick, i think he has the most competitive games with it;)
Jerax is also great with it of course. Other then that i agree with you, problem is the draft more often then not. Also looked like they did not practice the new meta enough. Hearing they had no bootcamp before dac, it makes sense.
chabode
Profile Joined March 2017
330 Posts
April 04 2017 10:04 GMT
#3612
On April 04 2017 07:58 f0xteam wrote:
i personally hated the bo1 pick vs faceless. just let miracle mid pls. on the bright side we can assume they were hiding tactics for the major :D

just who doesnt hate that match

given the first 4 pick was pretty good in laning n mid-late game
MC Magnus, Matu LS, GH Slardar, Kky Disruptor. and then they pick Naga as 5

i was went WTF is this draft then he put Mir to Slardar makes it perfect WTFace along that game.

pls bootcamp n find any strats other than illusion strat even tho they make a great game when they focus on rat gaming
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
April 04 2017 22:18 GMT
#3613
On April 04 2017 07:58 f0xteam wrote:
i personally hated the bo1 pick vs faceless. just let miracle mid pls. on the bright side we can assume they were hiding tactics for the major :D

Well GH is simply better
probably not better than Miracle mid than Miracle's worse on 4 pos though -,-
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
April 05 2017 02:18 GMT
#3614
Not sure why so many people are complaining about the whole GH mid Naga or Miracle slardar. This loss was on their overall strategy with Naga that cost them the game. When OG run Naga, its much more aggressive using sleep as as setup for mid game fights once Naga gets radiance. They had a disgusting Warlock, Centaur, MK and TA lineup that guaranteed a couple heros death right after sleep.

Liquid's pace mid game pace was too slow and didn't keep the pressure against a greedy tricore lineup. Abbadon with refresher was a great way to waste sleep and the farmed Ember did a good job of keeping lanes in check.

But yeah hind sight yadda yadda. Better to learn from DAC then to get taught a lesson at Kiev though so I got my hopes up for a good showing there.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
April 05 2017 03:16 GMT
#3615
On April 05 2017 07:18 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2017 07:58 f0xteam wrote:
i personally hated the bo1 pick vs faceless. just let miracle mid pls. on the bright side we can assume they were hiding tactics for the major :D

Well GH is simply better
probably not better than Miracle mid than Miracle's worse on 4 pos though -,-

I think it's quite simple. The Naga (or Alchemist) strat means that you don't give a shit about the other team's draft. You just need to make sure to hold off until Naga has good farm and she'll illusion her way to a win regardless. It's a safe and low risk strat, especially when you're up against a Bo1 and you have a good Naga player like gh. It's Faceless that played out of the mind to overcome it though.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
April 05 2017 06:36 GMT
#3616
Faceless played good yes, but i think that Naga strat was a mistake. You pick naga as a last risort - when you don't have any other options. Maybe the bo1 got them scared, but they should've played normal draft and own faceless.
As for who should play Naga seems like GHs naga is better,BUT Miracle needs a high mobility hero to be very effective as 4 - something like SK...
They can play and win a normal game against any team and this means Naga strats should be used as a 4th or 5th pick only when the naga is not countered by anything.
LadyShahenshah
Profile Joined April 2017
Malaysia2 Posts
April 05 2017 06:55 GMT
#3617
I could sense someone smiling at Netherlands....
Mehran Salehi Takhasomi a.k.a. LiquidKuroKy. His smile is what makes me happy. No matter what, I shall support him inside out.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
April 06 2017 02:46 GMT
#3618
DAC was good practice for them. At least they know GH naga is legit, but they need to somehow accommodate miracle. They also experimented with matu prophet with mixed results.
brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
April 06 2017 02:56 GMT
#3619
In all honesty,coming from a guy who hates naga game, GH naga was beautiful to watch
"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
April 06 2017 10:12 GMT
#3620
On April 06 2017 11:56 brinepumps wrote:
In all honesty,coming from a guy who hates naga game, GH naga was beautiful to watch

It was pretty clear they didn't practice it though
youhad godlike GH and the team around him feeding like turds
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
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