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On October 18 2016 22:52 Laertes wrote:
Whoever said NoTail was a handicap is retarded. He obviously prefers to play tempo control instead of hard carry, which is a thing now.
I just don't see them shaping up in time to get an invite to the major. This liquid is having serious problems. Right now, Miracle is a part of those problems. Ad Finem is a much better team than them right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if they go through instead of liquid.
One problem I saw with Miracle's play is that sometimes he just gets no farm. It's like, if you're playing ember mid, and you get no farm, what can you do? The supports are doing fine. Don't blame bulba. If anything, kuro is to blame. He seens to be botching quite a few rotations and other such cardinal sins.
Gee thanks, love the internet, where calling people "retarded" is fine. You're a real champ. Reddit culture, I guess.
Sorry for having an opinion, but I can actually back that up, just look at TI6, Notail was nowhere to be seen, he doesn't pass the eyetest for a quality carry player, i think. Miracle had to pick up a lot of the slack and they spesifically drafted for him to succeed, since Notail isn't really star material. In Liquid, Matu can be valued just as high as Miracle...
What I do agree with is that we shouldn't be blaming Bulba at this point. Kuro is trying too hard to be the playmaker, also picking weird heroes that don't pan out at all. Their strat of lose the laning stage and comeback with epic 5 man ganks at the 10 min mark isn't really that great and a lot of that is on the supports and their movement. They did great when they drafted two defensive supports though.
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Is it just me or are they getting outdrafted and outlaned about every game?
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On October 19 2016 00:12 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
Is it just me or are they getting outdrafted and outlaned about every game?
It's not just you. And it's not even that they're getting outdrafted, they're picking heroes which are countered by heroes the other team has already picked. It's like they're drafting to lose.
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mate, outdrafted and outlaned had been their catchphrase since day one.
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On October 19 2016 00:12 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
Is it just me or are they getting outdrafted and outlaned about every game?
And outplayed too. That game vs. VP was fucking horrible. Until yesterday they made good progress, but this looks like the liquid in their first dreamleague series. If they continue to stay like this, i will blame Bulba. Every Team he joined turned into shit. Even if its not his fault, maybe bad karma.
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On October 18 2016 22:52 Laertes wrote:
Whoever said NoTail was a handicap is retarded. He obviously prefers to play tempo control instead of hard carry, which is a thing now.
I just don't see them shaping up in time to get an invite to the major. This liquid is having serious problems. Right now, Miracle is a part of those problems. Ad Finem is a much better team than them right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if they go through instead of liquid.
One problem I saw with Miracle's play is that sometimes he just gets no farm. It's like, if you're playing ember mid, and you get no farm, what can you do? The supports are doing fine. Don't blame bulba. If anything, kuro is to blame. He seens to be botching quite a few rotations and other such cardinal sins.
First of all notail was the weakest player in old OG - there is no way someone can argue gainst it.
Second point, bulba is playing bad in all games liquid played so far, except the skywrath games. He was good in some fights, miss timed some silences against WD ult, but still okay. It was the first time bulba showed up, that he can play supports.
Kuros drafting is nonsense, I dont understand what they discuss - but the things they try are far away from winning games. They get stomped by vega and will get stomped by virtus pro if they dont get their thing running.
I dont like the whole idea of 2-1-2 laning stages, it feels like they lose each lane over and over again. They really have a big problem, and I dont understand where it is coming from. Fata took a lot of space and was always prior farm - they supported em mid a lot, jerax was sitting em a lot. Why they dont just go the same approach with miracle. They just let em die in mid the whole early game and still manage to lose each lane.
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On October 19 2016 00:15 SFDuality wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 00:12 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
Is it just me or are they getting outdrafted and outlaned about every game? It's not just you. And it's not even that they're getting outdrafted, they're picking heroes which are countered by heroes the other team has already picked. It's like they're drafting to lose.
Yeah, seems like they are really dedicated to doing their own thing. Maybe you can attribute this to the fact that it's just the start of a long season and they're just experimenting. Losing these games will probably cost them an invite to the major though, not to mention no Summit 
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On October 19 2016 00:19 hunter_x wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 00:12 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
Is it just me or are they getting outdrafted and outlaned about every game? And outplayed too. That game vs. VP was fucking horrible. Until yesterday they made good progress, but this looks like the liquid in their first dreamleague series. If they continue to stay like this, i will blame Bulba. Every Team he joined turned into shit. Even if its not his fault, maybe bad karma.
Nah, its just because of Kuro being a terrible drafter and shotcaller. I predict this team wont survive until the first major under his captaincy.
+ Show Spoiler + I actually don't think that, but dear God, it feels so nice to do the same things that you have been doing in other threads like a dimwitted troll.
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Sigh...what a shitshow. Did we really forgot how to play good dota or what? I want my old team back, this is not fun.
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Now this is a disaster. I can understand they need some time to get used to each other, but that is to achieve perfection.
Every game they fucking get either heavy outdrafted, or at least two of them play worse than me. This is not acceptable.
They have to get their shit together.
The only good news out of that is that we will be seing them playing a lot since they will not get an invite for the major.
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On October 19 2016 00:56 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 00:19 hunter_x wrote:On October 19 2016 00:12 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
Is it just me or are they getting outdrafted and outlaned about every game? And outplayed too. That game vs. VP was fucking horrible. Until yesterday they made good progress, but this looks like the liquid in their first dreamleague series. If they continue to stay like this, i will blame Bulba. Every Team he joined turned into shit. Even if its not his fault, maybe bad karma. Nah, its just because of Kuro being a terrible drafter and shotcaller. I predict this team wont survive until the first major under his captaincy. + Show Spoiler + I actually don't think that, but dear God, it feels so nice to do the same things that you have been doing in other threads like a dimwitted troll.
classy, oh wait, now you are just on his level not above, sad day for you 
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I really am not impressed by kuro atm. It really shows what jerax brought to the team. Right now kuro has to play the 4 and the shotcaller. His 4 looks unimpressive to say the least, and his shotcalling doesnt seem to be much better. If he took a step back from captaining for bulba they should reverse that pretty fast, since it doesnt work out. Whoever made the call to stay in VP's woods and feed the luna should be muted next time.
For Kuro it seems so unimpressive what he does. They get outdrafted and outlaned. Pretty much his fault. His Bounty, his ogre, his undying with shitty tomb placement, it is all rather uninspiring.
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On October 19 2016 01:12 Nikto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 00:56 Piledriver wrote:On October 19 2016 00:19 hunter_x wrote:On October 19 2016 00:12 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
Is it just me or are they getting outdrafted and outlaned about every game? And outplayed too. That game vs. VP was fucking horrible. Until yesterday they made good progress, but this looks like the liquid in their first dreamleague series. If they continue to stay like this, i will blame Bulba. Every Team he joined turned into shit. Even if its not his fault, maybe bad karma. Nah, its just because of Kuro being a terrible drafter and shotcaller. I predict this team wont survive until the first major under his captaincy. + Show Spoiler + I actually don't think that, but dear God, it feels so nice to do the same things that you have been doing in other threads like a dimwitted troll. classy, oh wait, now you are just on his level not above, sad day for you
what do I do with my life now, Nikto from Slovakia has judged me over the internet.
Anyhoo, I think miracle was a better fit on OG because of the space that N0tail created. If Liquid wants to play 2x greedy cores, then their offlaner + support duo have to be Gods at making space (similar to Fata version C9 with PLD+Bone7 and the recent version of liquid with Jerax.) Bulba can be a good defensive support,but he doesn't have the playmaking capability in the early game. Kuro is also not particularly good at spacemaking IMO, so they are failing like the previous version of secret with 2x greedy cores.
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On October 19 2016 01:19 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 01:12 Nikto wrote:On October 19 2016 00:56 Piledriver wrote:On October 19 2016 00:19 hunter_x wrote:On October 19 2016 00:12 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
Is it just me or are they getting outdrafted and outlaned about every game? And outplayed too. That game vs. VP was fucking horrible. Until yesterday they made good progress, but this looks like the liquid in their first dreamleague series. If they continue to stay like this, i will blame Bulba. Every Team he joined turned into shit. Even if its not his fault, maybe bad karma. Nah, its just because of Kuro being a terrible drafter and shotcaller. I predict this team wont survive until the first major under his captaincy. + Show Spoiler + I actually don't think that, but dear God, it feels so nice to do the same things that you have been doing in other threads like a dimwitted troll. classy, oh wait, now you are just on his level not above, sad day for you what do I do with my life now, Nikto from Slovakia has judged me over the internet.
again a sad day for you US boy, nearly as sad as this teams performance
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On October 19 2016 00:21 Anamorph wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2016 22:52 Laertes wrote:
Whoever said NoTail was a handicap is retarded. He obviously prefers to play tempo control instead of hard carry, which is a thing now.
I just don't see them shaping up in time to get an invite to the major. This liquid is having serious problems. Right now, Miracle is a part of those problems. Ad Finem is a much better team than them right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if they go through instead of liquid.
One problem I saw with Miracle's play is that sometimes he just gets no farm. It's like, if you're playing ember mid, and you get no farm, what can you do? The supports are doing fine. Don't blame bulba. If anything, kuro is to blame. He seens to be botching quite a few rotations and other such cardinal sins. First of all notail was the weakest player in old OG - there is no way someone can argue gainst it. Second point, bulba is playing bad in all games liquid played so far, except the skywrath games. He was good in some fights, miss timed some silences against WD ult, but still okay. It was the first time bulba showed up, that he can play supports. Kuros drafting is nonsense, I dont understand what they discuss - but the things they try are far away from winning games. They get stomped by vega and will get stomped by virtus pro if they dont get their thing running. I dont like the whole idea of 2-1-2 laning stages, it feels like they lose each lane over and over again. They really have a big problem, and I dont understand where it is coming from. Fata took a lot of space and was always prior farm - they supported em mid a lot, jerax was sitting em a lot. Why they dont just go the same approach with miracle. They just let em die in mid the whole early game and still manage to lose each lane.
You could say n0tail was the weakest link but it could be also that he was the carry Miracle needs to succeed. As of now it seems so, time will tell and hopefully TL will get better.
Many here blame it on Bulba but he isn't actually playing that bad neither is he the worst on this team. For some Miracle did carry n0tail, why wouldn't he be able to carry Bulba when he is paired with an even better carry?
I guess a team work as a unit or not, and when it doesn't even the "best of the world" looks bad.
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Those vp games were excellent example of what is wrong with liquid these days: miracle (and to some extend matu) were being ganked again and again, while their core counterparts in VP could farm in perfect peace and harmony. Only times liquid wins is when either matu or miracle manages to stay alive to get bit of farm so they start carrying, but when the cores are basically playing solo on each lane against often 3 opponents, it does not matter whether they are 9k or 90k.
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game two was lost in radiant jungle, but yes lanning phase is a big problem in nearly each game
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On October 19 2016 01:27 BasalGanglia wrote:
Those vp games were excellent example of what is wrong with liquid these days: miracle (and to some extend matu) were being ganked again and again, while their core counterparts in VP could farm in perfect peace and harmony. Only times liquid wins is when either matu or miracle manages to stay alive to get bit of farm so they start carrying, but when the cores are basically playing solo on each lane against often 3 opponents, it does not matter whether they are 9k or 90k.
TL needs to implement the support tactics OG used for Miracle. That will do the trick. As long as the babysit him he will shine, no doubt.
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On October 19 2016 01:19 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 01:12 Nikto wrote:On October 19 2016 00:56 Piledriver wrote:On October 19 2016 00:19 hunter_x wrote:On October 19 2016 00:12 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
Is it just me or are they getting outdrafted and outlaned about every game? And outplayed too. That game vs. VP was fucking horrible. Until yesterday they made good progress, but this looks like the liquid in their first dreamleague series. If they continue to stay like this, i will blame Bulba. Every Team he joined turned into shit. Even if its not his fault, maybe bad karma. Nah, its just because of Kuro being a terrible drafter and shotcaller. I predict this team wont survive until the first major under his captaincy. + Show Spoiler + I actually don't think that, but dear God, it feels so nice to do the same things that you have been doing in other threads like a dimwitted troll. classy, oh wait, now you are just on his level not above, sad day for you what do I do with my life now, Nikto from Slovakia has judged me over the internet. Anyhoo, I think miracle was a better fit on OG because of the space that N0tail created. If Liquid wants to play 2x greedy cores, then their offlaner + support duo have to be Gods at making space (similar to Fata version C9 with PLD+Bone7 and the recent version of liquid with Jerax.) Bulba can be a good defensive support,but he doesn't have the playmaking capability in the early game. Kuro is also not particularly good at spacemaking IMO, so they are failing like the previous version of secret with 2x greedy cores.
An american insulting people with their country? You vote trump or what?
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