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On June 16 2017 19:36 nothingmuch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 09:00 hunter_x wrote:On June 16 2017 05:31 nothingmuch wrote:
Liquid didn't look like they knew how to play the patch in the group stages either. And OG has done the "get stronger ehvery series/day" thing at several majors before. That's why they've won 4 times as many majors as the rest of the world combined ! The were only bad on day one. Then they got their shit together, while Og did not. Thats all i want to say. I know how many Majors they won, has nothing to do with it. The series between Liquid and OG that ended up deciding who moved on from the group stage went to a game 3 that OG looked like they were winning for quite some time. Considering how close those games were and the history OG have of strong comeback performances saying that OG didn't have a chance to win epicenter (in the OG thread, no less) makes you look exactly like the idiot everyone loves to hate.
Read my first Post here a few messages above. I was just saying og didnt understand the Patch yet, so i dont Think they could have won epicenter. Like they still tried their naga and Terrorblade, while other teams underdtood, that those Heroes dont Really Work right Now. Thats my opinion, i didnt insult or attack anyone. Then you basically say i am a Idiot, for no reason. Dont know what your Problem is dude.
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I didn't say you were an idiot, I said your "opinion" makes you look like one. And I'll do you a favor right here: This is a forum, a message board it's not the Big Lebowski. There's no "this is just your opinion maaaaan" here, where we all smoke some herb and go bowling and nobody cares. Forums like these are all opinion. If someone is running around yelling "kill all the jews" he's going to get some flak (in fact he's probably going to get banned). "This is just my opinion" doesn't absolve you from criticism. In fact that's why everybody, including you, is here- you give your opinion and read everybody elses opinion. And my opinion is that your opinion (OG had no chance to win Epicenter) makes you look like an idiot (and I gave reasons why).
As for me having a problem, well that might be true but then again I'm not the one being reported/banned repeatedly.
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I Think what i said is pretty reasonable, but i dont want to discuss this any further. Some people here just want to provoke me, dont know if you are one of them. And the Ban System here is a joke. You just need 2-3 people who hate you, and you can get banned for basically Everything. We will see what og can do at TI, fact is they were Not ready at epicenter, despite what you try to argue here.
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OG did not perform up to their standards at Epicenter.
OG sold themselves short at Epicenter.
OG had a bad day/groupstage at Epicenter.
OG did not meet expectations at Epicenter.
OGs strategies did not work out at Epicenter.
OGs understanding of the meta was below that of other teams at Epicenter.
OG had no chance to win Epicenter.
If you don't see the difference then I'm afraid you have a long time of being antagonized/called an idiot on these forums and the internet in general ahead of you. Good luck.
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On June 17 2017 18:19 nothingmuch wrote:
OG did not perform up to their standards at Epicenter.
OG sold themselves short at Epicenter.
OG had a bad day/groupstage at Epicenter.
OG did not meet expectations at Epicenter.
OGs strategies did not work out at Epicenter.
OGs understanding of the meta was below that of other teams at Epicenter.
OG had no chance to win Epicenter.
If you don't see the difference then I'm afraid you have a long time of being antagonized/called an idiot on these forums and the internet in general ahead of you. Good luck.
To be fair what prompted hunter_x response is this:
On June 14 2017 17:27 sCuMBaG wrote:
Liquid got slightly more lucky to make it though and then went on to win the thing - that might as well have been OG.
That's incredibly far-fetched. Liquid had a bad first day because they tried to play the same things everybody was and then they got back to their comfort heroes with which they won SL. You just can't say the same about OG, especially since they actually tried their comfort style from the get go and it just wasn't working.
You can argue that OG is a "comeback" team but I don't think that's true, especially this iteration with ana; usually their comeback come from their ability to work their style into the meta and either winning with it or forcing target bans to get a very favorable draft. This time around I don't think they were going to make Naga/TB work and nobody was going to bother target banning them (or Alch).
I like OG but trying to argue that they could have just come up with a new style to suddenly start winning when they failed with their best strategies against team that got immediately 2-0 in the final bracket is just magical thinking.
Liquid post day one was the best team this tournament, and this is coming from an EG fan.
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On June 17 2017 19:33 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 18:19 nothingmuch wrote:
OG did not perform up to their standards at Epicenter.
OG sold themselves short at Epicenter.
OG had a bad day/groupstage at Epicenter.
OG did not meet expectations at Epicenter.
OGs strategies did not work out at Epicenter.
OGs understanding of the meta was below that of other teams at Epicenter.
OG had no chance to win Epicenter.
If you don't see the difference then I'm afraid you have a long time of being antagonized/called an idiot on these forums and the internet in general ahead of you. Good luck. To be fair what prompted hunter_x response is this: Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 17:27 sCuMBaG wrote:
Liquid got slightly more lucky to make it though and then went on to win the thing - that might as well have been OG.
That's incredibly far-fetched. Liquid had a bad first day because they tried to play the same things everybody was and then they got back to their comfort heroes with which they won SL. You just can't say the same about OG, especially since they actually tried their comfort style from the get go and it just wasn't working. You can argue that OG is a "comeback" team but I don't think that's true, especially this iteration with ana; usually their comeback come from their ability to work their style into the meta and either winning with it or forcing target bans to get a very favorable draft. This time around I don't think they were going to make Naga/TB work and nobody was going to bother target banning them (or Alch). I like OG but trying to argue that they could have just come up with a new style to suddenly start winning when they failed with their best strategies against team that got immediately 2-0 in the final bracket is just magical thinking. Liquid post day one was the best team this tournament, and this is coming from an EG fan.
Thanks, thats more or less all i was trying to say, maybe he gets it now, when it comes from a diffrent Person. I think i need to write more Text, with more arguments from now on, so people understand what i mean.
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Or maybe you need to get off your high horse, learn some humility, and realize that when people "dislike" your posts enough to report you to the admins, it's actually your own fault for writing the way you do, and not other people's fault for "misunderstanding" you. And publicly complaining about the ban system being a joke shows that you haven't learned or understood anything at all.
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On June 17 2017 20:22 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Or maybe you need to get off your high horse, learn some humility, and realize that when people "dislike" your posts enough to report you to the admins, it's actually your own fault for writing the way you do, and not other people's fault for "misunderstanding" you. And publicly complaining about the ban system being a joke shows that you haven't learned or understood anything at all.
Ok buddy got you.
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lmao, even liquid fans dislike this kid.
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On June 18 2017 00:23 jack_knife wrote:
lmao, even liquid fans dislike this kid.
that's not quite what is happening, but it is true that people keep provoking him and he lets himself go more often then not
also in regards to the system, it is a bit flawed, I will not get into details here...
anyway, back on topic, OG might or might not get better with time, don't really keep up if they play before TI or not, would be a good read if they did how they are coming along
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My opinion is that if OG get invite for TI they will fail there because they wont train as hard, and they wont have the official matches to see whats in it for them in this patch.
While a group stage for qualifiers ia good enough for them to get back on track, and find their way in this patch if there is one.
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On June 18 2017 05:11 Nikto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 00:23 jack_knife wrote:
lmao, even liquid fans dislike this kid. that's not quite what is happening, but it is true that people keep provoking him and he lets himself go more often then not also in regards to the system, it is a bit flawed, I will not get into details here... anyway, back on topic, OG might or might not get better with time, don't really keep up if they play before TI or not, would be a good read if they did how they are coming along
the thing is this kid none stop talking shit in other team's thread without any respect, pretending he cares about other teams, no, he doesn't, all he want is showing how good liquid is, how bad your team is, every other team is trash compare to team liquid. he will talk more shit if you don't buy it. he did it in Alliance's thread, in NP's thread, in OG's thread, he is everywhere. that's why he got so much hates.
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On June 18 2017 07:29 jack_knife wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 05:11 Nikto wrote:On June 18 2017 00:23 jack_knife wrote:
lmao, even liquid fans dislike this kid. that's not quite what is happening, but it is true that people keep provoking him and he lets himself go more often then not also in regards to the system, it is a bit flawed, I will not get into details here... anyway, back on topic, OG might or might not get better with time, don't really keep up if they play before TI or not, would be a good read if they did how they are coming along the thing is this kid none stop talking shit in other team's thread without any respect, pretending he cares about other teams, no, he doesn't, all he want is showing how good liquid is, how bad your team is, every other team is trash compare to team liquid. he will talk more shit if you don't buy it. he did it in Alliance's thread, in NP's thread, in OG's thread, he is everywhere. that's why he got so much hates.
Wow, and that is coming from you;)
Talking about hypocrite...
Whatever im done here, this is going way too Off topic
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On June 17 2017 19:33 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 18:19 nothingmuch wrote:
OG did not perform up to their standards at Epicenter.
OG sold themselves short at Epicenter.
OG had a bad day/groupstage at Epicenter.
OG did not meet expectations at Epicenter.
OGs strategies did not work out at Epicenter.
OGs understanding of the meta was below that of other teams at Epicenter.
OG had no chance to win Epicenter.
If you don't see the difference then I'm afraid you have a long time of being antagonized/called an idiot on these forums and the internet in general ahead of you. Good luck. To be fair what prompted hunter_x response is this: Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 17:27 sCuMBaG wrote:
Liquid got slightly more lucky to make it though and then went on to win the thing - that might as well have been OG.
That's incredibly far-fetched. Liquid had a bad first day because they tried to play the same things everybody was and then they got back to their comfort heroes with which they won SL. You just can't say the same about OG, especially since they actually tried their comfort style from the get go and it just wasn't working. You can argue that OG is a "comeback" team but I don't think that's true, especially this iteration with ana; usually their comeback come from their ability to work their style into the meta and either winning with it or forcing target bans to get a very favorable draft. This time around I don't think they were going to make Naga/TB work and nobody was going to bother target banning them (or Alch). I like OG but trying to argue that they could have just come up with a new style to suddenly start winning when they failed with their best strategies against team that got immediately 2-0 in the final bracket is just magical thinking. Liquid post day one was the best team this tournament, and this is coming from an EG fan.
I disagree. OG lost their games because a) they diverged from their usual strategies (afk jungle veno Jerax into midas 15 min no gank while safe lane dies wtf) and b) their teamfight coordination was way off compared to their usual self. They just played bad (particularly day1).
The comeback capabilities of their current lineup can only be seriously doubted by someone who hasn't seen the Kiev Major grand finals. You should go watch it, great games.
And the general point concerning Hunter is that making the statement "team X has no (read zero) chance to win the tournament" about any team is pretty idiotic to begin with, let alone about the 4 times major winner.
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On June 18 2017 08:34 nothingmuch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:33 Diavlo wrote:On June 17 2017 18:19 nothingmuch wrote:
OG did not perform up to their standards at Epicenter.
OG sold themselves short at Epicenter.
OG had a bad day/groupstage at Epicenter.
OG did not meet expectations at Epicenter.
OGs strategies did not work out at Epicenter.
OGs understanding of the meta was below that of other teams at Epicenter.
OG had no chance to win Epicenter.
If you don't see the difference then I'm afraid you have a long time of being antagonized/called an idiot on these forums and the internet in general ahead of you. Good luck. To be fair what prompted hunter_x response is this: On June 14 2017 17:27 sCuMBaG wrote:
Liquid got slightly more lucky to make it though and then went on to win the thing - that might as well have been OG.
That's incredibly far-fetched. Liquid had a bad first day because they tried to play the same things everybody was and then they got back to their comfort heroes with which they won SL. You just can't say the same about OG, especially since they actually tried their comfort style from the get go and it just wasn't working. You can argue that OG is a "comeback" team but I don't think that's true, especially this iteration with ana; usually their comeback come from their ability to work their style into the meta and either winning with it or forcing target bans to get a very favorable draft. This time around I don't think they were going to make Naga/TB work and nobody was going to bother target banning them (or Alch). I like OG but trying to argue that they could have just come up with a new style to suddenly start winning when they failed with their best strategies against team that got immediately 2-0 in the final bracket is just magical thinking. Liquid post day one was the best team this tournament, and this is coming from an EG fan. I disagree. OG lost their games because a) they diverged from their usual strategies (afk jungle veno Jerax into midas 15 min no gank while safe lane dies wtf) and b) their teamfight coordination was way off compared to their usual self. They just played bad (particularly day1). The comeback capabilities of their current lineup can only be seriously doubted by someone who hasn't seen the Kiev Major grand finals. You should go watch it, great games. And the general point concerning Hunter is that making the statement "team X has no (read zero) chance to win the tournament" about any team is pretty idiotic to begin with, let alone about the 4 times major winner.
They were not good in the tournament before epicenter, and that Trend continued. Also their draftimg did not get better compared to manila masters. So it was pretty clear to me. That was not the confident og from the major. Even the best teams have weak Phase, and og is going through one right now.
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On June 18 2017 08:34 nothingmuch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:33 Diavlo wrote:On June 17 2017 18:19 nothingmuch wrote:
OG did not perform up to their standards at Epicenter.
OG sold themselves short at Epicenter.
OG had a bad day/groupstage at Epicenter.
OG did not meet expectations at Epicenter.
OGs strategies did not work out at Epicenter.
OGs understanding of the meta was below that of other teams at Epicenter.
OG had no chance to win Epicenter.
If you don't see the difference then I'm afraid you have a long time of being antagonized/called an idiot on these forums and the internet in general ahead of you. Good luck. To be fair what prompted hunter_x response is this: On June 14 2017 17:27 sCuMBaG wrote:
Liquid got slightly more lucky to make it though and then went on to win the thing - that might as well have been OG.
That's incredibly far-fetched. Liquid had a bad first day because they tried to play the same things everybody was and then they got back to their comfort heroes with which they won SL. You just can't say the same about OG, especially since they actually tried their comfort style from the get go and it just wasn't working. You can argue that OG is a "comeback" team but I don't think that's true, especially this iteration with ana; usually their comeback come from their ability to work their style into the meta and either winning with it or forcing target bans to get a very favorable draft. This time around I don't think they were going to make Naga/TB work and nobody was going to bother target banning them (or Alch). I like OG but trying to argue that they could have just come up with a new style to suddenly start winning when they failed with their best strategies against team that got immediately 2-0 in the final bracket is just magical thinking. Liquid post day one was the best team this tournament, and this is coming from an EG fan. I disagree. OG lost their games because a) they diverged from their usual strategies (afk jungle veno Jerax into midas 15 min no gank while safe lane dies wtf) and b) their teamfight coordination was way off compared to their usual self. They just played bad (particularly day1). The comeback capabilities of their current lineup can only be seriously doubted by someone who hasn't seen the Kiev Major grand finals. You should go watch it, great games. And the general point concerning Hunter is that making the statement "team X has no (read zero) chance to win the tournament" about any team is pretty idiotic to begin with, let alone about the 4 times major winner.
They diverted from their usual strategies? Yes, because their usual strategies where failing.
First series was a TB push strat and a Naga+ fighting mid... there is nothing more OG than that, yes they did try to abuse the new jungle a bit with it which didn't work.
They also tried the Naga + jugg mid against Liquid and again it didn't work. Seriously they won 1 game with OG familiar heroes (against Liquid with Drow) and lost 4 with them. They actually won more games with unconventional heroes (albeit against Na'Vi with Naga/TB banned game 1 and TB banned game 2).
As for your comment about comeback yes I watched the finals, I thought we were not talking about comebacks in game but about tournament comebacks, like figuring things out mid tournament after a bad start and winning with new stuff along the way. OG is an amazing team, they obviously can turn around seemingly lost games, but turning around mid tournament? That happened only at the Frankfurt major with a pretty different team.
You can argue that saying OG had no chance of winning was hyperbolic from hunter_x but I don't think it's unfair to say that they looked pretty lost and that there chances to win were very slim.
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On June 18 2017 05:17 NInoff wrote:
My opinion is that if OG get invite for TI they will fail there because they wont train as hard, and they wont have the official matches to see whats in it for them in this patch.
While a group stage for qualifiers ia good enough for them to get back on track, and find their way in this patch if there is one.
I think they will be able to scrim a lot during qualis bootcamp season, it's not official matches but still is good to figure what works for them. I mean, it's not like they don't have chemistry, they just didn't found their mid and carry picks yet
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Really nice video by slacks to be honest !!!!! pleasant surprise !
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I watched MDL games just now (pretty hard for Europeans to follow this tournament). Why we keep forcing Arc Warden, it never worked and it still doesn't. Also i feel like NoTail is really underperforming (and saving strats for TI is not really an excuse)
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