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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
June 01 2015 15:16 GMT
#181
Direct qualification!

Super congratulations!!
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33465 Posts
June 01 2015 17:49 GMT
#182
grats man, keep killin' em
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
June 01 2015 18:30 GMT
#183
Congrats Heen :D
Getting too old for this..
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-01 20:51:26
June 01 2015 20:51 GMT
#184
Got number 1 right, all that matters gratz

http://imgur.com/Z1jbnwU
MoonijuanaMan
Profile Joined November 2013
United States5 Posts
June 02 2015 04:00 GMT
#185
Congratulations on getting to TI5! Rooting for you guys to go far!
Who is the Drizzle?
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4372 Posts
June 02 2015 09:25 GMT
#186
Congrats Heen! Really enjoyed your game 2 in the qualifier grand finals. Good luck for the big one!

Sucker for nostalgia
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 13:54:01
June 02 2015 13:53 GMT
#187
Your stream got me back into dota1 after my HON times. Thanks for that and congrats on TI5!
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
June 02 2015 17:04 GMT
#188
On June 01 2015 16:22 ilovecats wrote:
Dear Heeeeeneeeeeeeeeeeen,

I'm waking up from a long nap just to send you this warm greeting from a rainy town in Texas. Even though I suspect most "boys" on this forum these days don't really have a clue who I am (or was), those who do and were part of our story should unanimously agree that I'm your #1 fan in the world, regardless if proven by degrees of sincerity, measured in number of repeating e's when screaming your name, or considered from the perspective of verifiable TL DotA history.

The other day out of pure boredom and stress from work, I treated myself with some twitch.tv entertainment after a long absence from anything related to gaming. When I saw the familiar name Heen show up on screen, my eyes lit up and my mouth watered. I was fully expecting to see some steaming hot mid SF action, but instead you played some ward ***** Rhasta in a badly losing game that was almost too cruel to watch. A subsequent Google search led me to this thread. I have to admit that I don't know much about your competitive DotA 2 career, though I do know there must be a good reason you're playing support on your competitive team. But boy don't we all miss the good old days of bnet pubs where you taught us noobs how the game worked. Then came the TL IH era where you, under the unforgiving handicap of latency generated by distance and yesterday's technology, had to miraculously and often single-handily carry your side of the team against a fiercely determined Testie. How can we forget your hax Drow Ranger who always had more gold than most of us could understand, or the the deadly Viper, the lightening fast Razor, the team wiping OD... By the way, you probably don't even remember this, once you invited me to play on a Korean server to witness your "host pudge" where you landed hooks after hooks in a much faster paced game than what I was used to, and it was so overwhelming that I had to GG quit after just a couple of games citing "lag" reasons. Hehe, all these must have been something close to a decade ago. How time really flies!

You said you're pretty "washed up" after playing DotA for so long. Well, eight years ago we were all enthusiastically watching the replays of Merlini and SK.Loda. Imagine if you were to tell me that one of them would come play with us, I probably would (pretend to) have died of the then undiscovered disease of "Kreygasm". Now when I take a look at the guys today, one has become a caster and the other, while fairly accomplished with a TI title and all, still seems to get beaten up on a regular basis by the youngsters. People have to eventually grow up,grow stale and grow old. What you probably don't realize is how lucky you're to be in the 0.01% of this game, even if it's "just a game", for life has always taught me that it's really difficult to be the elite of anything in this competitive world.

You said you consider yourself to be very knowledgeable of the game, and that I do not doubt the slightest. What you didn't say, of course, is that you're such a nice and humble person with excellent manners and a truly genuine attitude that is absolutely a gem in this infamous community filled with ego, rudeness, immaturity and arrogance. I'm pretty sure everyone around you shares my view, and just to set the records straight here, for all the childish and exaggerated fanboy chants I had ever thrown at you in my younger years, my deep respect for your skills and your personally as well as my appreciation for all your helpful tips and advice were 100% sincere and honest.

I read that you were the pioneer of professional Korean DotA, and certainly that doesn't surprise me the least, though it surely sounds like a title that would put some weight on your shoulder, which in turn may inevitably lead to setbacks and frustrations at times. But I believe you can handle them and in the end come up with the right decisions at the right times. I don't know how life has been for you, or whether you have some other plans for yourself in the future. But I do want you to know that no matter what happens, an old friend here wholeheartedly wishes you the best in each and everything you do.

May this post bring back some of the fond memories and give you a smile on your face plus some warm feelings in your heart. With that I shall go back to my nap.


Sincerey yours,
"cats"



Holy shit! cats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How are you doing my friend?

You talking about the old days makes me appreciate where I am today. Back then I never imagined DotA would grow as much as it did and I just kept on playing for the love of the game. You described me as a good sport but truth be told, I was still an ego freak and immature kid. In a way, I'm glad that I went to the army and got washed up because it humbled me. Even until recently, I was butthurt about getting 'demoted' to support thinking I was meant for something more important and impactful. Two months ago, I was worried our team wouldn't even get an invite to the qualifiers. Now that we've made it through, I'm glad I could put aside my petty ambitions and I could contribute something that was unique to me as the old man of the team.

Thanks for all the kind words and though we've never met in person, this post did put a warm smile on my face and made our victory that much sweeter as I'm reminded that there are people who truly feel happy for me.
('''(G_G/'''')
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
June 02 2015 17:13 GMT
#189
On June 01 2015 16:27 TheEmulator wrote:
Nice to see you going to TI5 Heen. How excited are you and what do you think your chances are?

I'm super excited obviously but I'm trying to calm down and realize that going to TI5 is only a blessing if we put in the work. I don't want a repeat of the embarassment that was DAC lol

Personally I think people give the SEA region too much shit about how low skilled we are. It's going to be a hard journey. In a weird way I'm glad that most people think we'll undoubtedly be bottom 2. Less pressure is always better.

Slightly unrelated but I've noticed that people find our drafts super clowny and non-standard at times. A hero is only as good as you believe it is to be. 99% of the people in DotA think heroes are good or bad depending on what the top top tier teams are drafting anyways. I don't want to believe anything other than my(our) first hand experience. Why not pick gyrocopter? Because I think it's a trash hero. We've never lost to a gyrocopter in a scrim and have no reason to believe it's good. Maybe SEA is just bad at the hero. I used to think Tidehunter was a trash hero but then we played iceiceice's Tidehunter and changed our mind completely. There was a reason he was 19-2 at the hero in officials. But my point is your ideas about the game have to be first-hand or it's not genuine. It's just a copycat mentality.
('''(G_G/'''')
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44222 Posts
June 02 2015 17:27 GMT
#190
grats for the win heen .. are you guys attending any tournament pre-TI5 ?

also i'm curious how is jerax as a teammate ?
this is a quote
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
June 02 2015 17:29 GMT
#191
On June 01 2015 17:15 chiflutz wrote:
Oh cats, you forgot his 42-0 THD.

Heen's currently being punished with his Pugna at 0-6-3 in 22 mins, but JerAx's max poison SD build surprised Phoenix and MP came back from very low Bloodstone charges to reach 17 now. Blink Leshrac ftw !

ZOMG GO HOT6 !

I think the 42-0 THD was Lonery, another Korean I lured into the TL IHs so I could have a 200+ ping companion, not me.

It probably wasn't the best game to play pugna support in our last game but they were pretty uncomfortable playing against pugna so it ended up ok. 1 ironwoodbranch @ 5 min full 6 position pugna ftw!
('''(G_G/'''')
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
June 02 2015 17:31 GMT
#192
On June 01 2015 21:12 plasmidghost wrote:
How do you communicate with JerAx as a team? I know you're fluent in English, does he speak English and you translate for him, does he do his own thing, does he speak in Finnish and hope you get the general idea of what he means?

We speak English. Everyone but Forev has fluent English so the only times we speak Korean are from and to Forev when something not so simple has to be communicated fast and I'll try to do a rough translation if Jerax is required to understand as well.
('''(G_G/'''')
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
June 02 2015 17:33 GMT
#193
Thanks for all the support that I didn't individually respond to. It's a strange power to know that there are people out there rooting for you!
('''(G_G/'''')
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
June 02 2015 17:38 GMT
#194
On June 03 2015 02:27 goody153 wrote:
grats for the win heen .. are you guys attending any tournament pre-TI5 ?

also i'm curious how is jerax as a teammate ?

Probably no tournaments pre-TI5. Since we're one of the biggest underdogs in the tournament, it's probably wiser to keep our development from now until the main event concealed.

Jerax doesn't buy wards. Trashtalks opponents when he feeds. Goes bloodstone first on witch doctor.
Just kidding.
He's easy to work with. He has (maybe had?) a very different view about the game from me so we initially struggled a lot. He's farm heavy and aggressive whereas I'm more selfless and counterplay focused. We've managed to align our interests over time and made great improvements in synergy as a support duo.
('''(G_G/'''')
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44222 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 17:52:49
June 02 2015 17:52 GMT
#195
On June 03 2015 02:38 Heen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 02:27 goody153 wrote:
grats for the win heen .. are you guys attending any tournament pre-TI5 ?

also i'm curious how is jerax as a teammate ?

Probably no tournaments pre-TI5. Since we're one of the biggest underdogs in the tournament, it's probably wiser to keep our development from now until the main event concealed.

Jerax doesn't buy wards. Trashtalks opponents when he feeds. Goes bloodstone first on witch doctor.
Just kidding.
He's easy to work with. He has (maybe had?) a very different view about the game from me so we initially struggled a lot. He's farm heavy and aggressive whereas I'm more selfless and counterplay focused. We've managed to align our interests over time and made great improvements in synergy as a support duo.

Interesting . Last follow up question.

Do you guys also hang out outside the game like outside like go karaoke or eat outside or generally just chill out ?
this is a quote
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
June 02 2015 18:03 GMT
#196
On June 03 2015 02:52 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 02:38 Heen wrote:
On June 03 2015 02:27 goody153 wrote:
grats for the win heen .. are you guys attending any tournament pre-TI5 ?

also i'm curious how is jerax as a teammate ?

Probably no tournaments pre-TI5. Since we're one of the biggest underdogs in the tournament, it's probably wiser to keep our development from now until the main event concealed.

Jerax doesn't buy wards. Trashtalks opponents when he feeds. Goes bloodstone first on witch doctor.
Just kidding.
He's easy to work with. He has (maybe had?) a very different view about the game from me so we initially struggled a lot. He's farm heavy and aggressive whereas I'm more selfless and counterplay focused. We've managed to align our interests over time and made great improvements in synergy as a support duo.

Interesting . Last follow up question.

Do you guys also hang out outside the game like outside like go karaoke or eat outside or generally just chill out ?

We'll eat together often although we've been training hard for the past month or two so there wasn't enough hanging out time. After the qualifiers everyone loaded up WC3 and played Uther party (except me lawl) and had a blast. We realized we should have more fun outside of DotA together. It helps bond the team.
('''(G_G/'''')
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
June 02 2015 18:21 GMT
#197
save ur wc3 rpgs for until after u win ti5
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Ricemagical
Profile Joined November 2010
270 Posts
June 02 2015 23:11 GMT
#198
On June 03 2015 03:21 ahswtini wrote:
save ur wc3 rpgs for until after u win ti5

NewBee certainly made that clear for everyone else :D
AznJDragon
Profile Joined July 2013
United States6 Posts
June 02 2015 23:28 GMT
#199
Congrats on the win Heen!!!
I knew both MVP squads would make it through the TI5 SEA Qualifiers!

On June 03 2015 02:13 Heen wrote:
Slightly unrelated but I've noticed that people find our drafts super clowny and non-standard at times. A hero is only as good as you believe it is to be. 99% of the people in DotA think heroes are good or bad depending on what the top top tier teams are drafting anyways. I don't want to believe anything other than my(our) first hand experience. Why not pick gyrocopter? Because I think it's a trash hero. We've never lost to a gyrocopter in a scrim and have no reason to believe it's good. Maybe SEA is just bad at the hero. I used to think Tidehunter was a trash hero but then we played iceiceice's Tidehunter and changed our mind completely. There was a reason he was 19-2 at the hero in officials. But my point is your ideas about the game have to be first-hand or it's not genuine. It's just a copycat mentality.


However don't you feel that could potentially hurt the team potential? I mean there is a reason Xboct wins on Gyrocopter and reason certain teams pick it as well. I think it also helps to try out new strategies and heroes as well. I mean you do not have to do a copy cat but more of taking certain heroes in consideration for their potential.
Anyways best of luck and keep practicing to solidify a strong position in TI5 and so MVP Phoenix can get enough practice and experience as well to end up in one of the 16 teams in TI5 as well.

P.S. Do you guys get to scrim Chinese teams as well as SEA teams? It would be interesting to see that you guys scrim with iG, Newbee, LGD, VG, and EHOME.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
June 02 2015 23:35 GMT
#200
they've found it hard to scrim Chinese teams because of the lag going across the great firewall. I believe they bootcamped in China before ti4 and may do it again this year
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
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