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wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 20:25:27
August 07 2015 20:25 GMT
#1701
I thought Kuro vastly underperformed in the games that they lost. His Winter Wyvern was particularly underwhelming
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 20:36:14
August 07 2015 20:32 GMT
#1702
On August 08 2015 04:00 dmnum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 03:43 Racket wrote:
On August 08 2015 03:29 dmnum wrote:
On August 08 2015 03:14 Faruko wrote:
On August 08 2015 02:48 Murlox wrote:
On August 07 2015 22:53 Faruko wrote:
Global silence goes through BKB, it was a damn hard game. I kinda agree on the crimsom guard, it let them fight


The way I see it, the whole team adapted to Arteezy having zero farm. Enigma went crimson guard to help him tank, and QoP went assault cuirass to further help him tank/dps. They made items to help him "carry" despite being 0/7 or something, and having basically PT and an ogre club at minute 20.

S4 crushed on game 2, so I'm not sure what people have been saying in the previous pages.

In the end, I do feel like VP played it extremely well. Not a flashy play, but extremely efficient, aggressive and focused. They were fucking relentless (that storm buyback despite a 20 sec (?) bloodstone cd), constant pressure. Crazy rosh attempts with drow. Always picking off value targets during skirmishes (S4 evaporating in 3 seconds, each fights, during game3). Imo, they really outdrafted and outplayed Secret. And made them look sloppy.

Well, maybe they are sloppy, too. I do not know behind the scene stuff.

Anyways, a pity, really.


I mean, they kinda had to, QoP was very farmed, but its still a game with Earthshaker, Storm and Silencer, Secret WAS going to lose if they didnt try to bring rtz back, and at some point they kinda did (rtz had 12-13k farm about 2k below Silencer/Storm, and she farms like a madman) but VP finished nicely


RTZ had almost catch up to Silencer(I think the difference between the two was less than 1k; then VP faked a push and backed off after he activated his BKB. Less than 10 seconds after that, for some reason(sunk cost fallacy or something) RTZ decided to run straight down mid when it was obvious(or at least probable) VP was waiting high ground. VP jumped on him, Secret was forced into a bad team fight where they got wiped and from then on the game was lost.

s4 really, really fucked up on the last game with the stupid solo gank tries but that game wouldn't even happened if RTZ didn't fuck up during g2. So yeah, blaming the series loss on s4 is oversimplifying things a bit.

How many times did s4 died while solo ganking?

As far as I remember, twice. But both were really, really stupid deaths, and similar too. He went bot to gank drow with ult, blinked forward, got stunned by shaker and lina and died.

Twice with low to no bounties, that is not fucking up. RTZ was way out of position in game 2 at least twice with an underfarmed hero who has no escape methods, for instance enemy jungle with Zai, first dies Zai then RTZ.

Just leave s4 alone and move on. You people are making a fuzz over nothing. A lot of teams lose, whether you like it or not. I also wished for NaVi to do better, but I, for a change, realize that this TI has a quite high level compared to any other TI and not everything is possible. Secret just showed they were not the best. It is a matter of accepting that fact.


Edit: This is directed at most of you, what many people are doing here is showing that you are not fans of Secret but fans of winning, you don't care how the teams win, which players play on the team or how is the team's name. If you are that petty then just take off the Secret flair and put some RTZ flair or something like that.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
August 07 2015 20:56 GMT
#1703
On August 08 2015 05:32 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 04:00 dmnum wrote:
On August 08 2015 03:43 Racket wrote:
On August 08 2015 03:29 dmnum wrote:
On August 08 2015 03:14 Faruko wrote:
On August 08 2015 02:48 Murlox wrote:
On August 07 2015 22:53 Faruko wrote:
Global silence goes through BKB, it was a damn hard game. I kinda agree on the crimsom guard, it let them fight


The way I see it, the whole team adapted to Arteezy having zero farm. Enigma went crimson guard to help him tank, and QoP went assault cuirass to further help him tank/dps. They made items to help him "carry" despite being 0/7 or something, and having basically PT and an ogre club at minute 20.

S4 crushed on game 2, so I'm not sure what people have been saying in the previous pages.

In the end, I do feel like VP played it extremely well. Not a flashy play, but extremely efficient, aggressive and focused. They were fucking relentless (that storm buyback despite a 20 sec (?) bloodstone cd), constant pressure. Crazy rosh attempts with drow. Always picking off value targets during skirmishes (S4 evaporating in 3 seconds, each fights, during game3). Imo, they really outdrafted and outplayed Secret. And made them look sloppy.

Well, maybe they are sloppy, too. I do not know behind the scene stuff.

Anyways, a pity, really.


I mean, they kinda had to, QoP was very farmed, but its still a game with Earthshaker, Storm and Silencer, Secret WAS going to lose if they didnt try to bring rtz back, and at some point they kinda did (rtz had 12-13k farm about 2k below Silencer/Storm, and she farms like a madman) but VP finished nicely


RTZ had almost catch up to Silencer(I think the difference between the two was less than 1k; then VP faked a push and backed off after he activated his BKB. Less than 10 seconds after that, for some reason(sunk cost fallacy or something) RTZ decided to run straight down mid when it was obvious(or at least probable) VP was waiting high ground. VP jumped on him, Secret was forced into a bad team fight where they got wiped and from then on the game was lost.

s4 really, really fucked up on the last game with the stupid solo gank tries but that game wouldn't even happened if RTZ didn't fuck up during g2. So yeah, blaming the series loss on s4 is oversimplifying things a bit.

How many times did s4 died while solo ganking?

As far as I remember, twice. But both were really, really stupid deaths, and similar too. He went bot to gank drow with ult, blinked forward, got stunned by shaker and lina and died.

Twice with low to no bounties, that is not fucking up. RTZ was way out of position in game 2 at least twice with an underfarmed hero who has no escape methods, for instance enemy jungle with Zai, first dies Zai then RTZ.

Just leave s4 alone and move on. You people are making a fuzz over nothing. A lot of teams lose, whether you like it or not. I also wished for NaVi to do better, but I, for a change, realize that this TI has a quite high level compared to any other TI and not everything is possible. Secret just showed they were not the best. It is a matter of accepting that fact.


Edit: This is directed at most of you, what many people are doing here is showing that you are not fans of Secret but fans of winning, you don't care how the teams win, which players play on the team or how is the team's name. If you are that petty then just take off the Secret flair and put some RTZ flair or something like that.

Have you bothered to read my posts? It's obvious s4 fucked up and had a terrible g3, that's not up for discussion. But as I already he wasn't the sole reason for Secret bombing out early, everyone had terrible moments.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
August 07 2015 20:59 GMT
#1704
On August 08 2015 05:56 dmnum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 05:32 Racket wrote:
On August 08 2015 04:00 dmnum wrote:
On August 08 2015 03:43 Racket wrote:
On August 08 2015 03:29 dmnum wrote:
On August 08 2015 03:14 Faruko wrote:
On August 08 2015 02:48 Murlox wrote:
On August 07 2015 22:53 Faruko wrote:
Global silence goes through BKB, it was a damn hard game. I kinda agree on the crimsom guard, it let them fight


The way I see it, the whole team adapted to Arteezy having zero farm. Enigma went crimson guard to help him tank, and QoP went assault cuirass to further help him tank/dps. They made items to help him "carry" despite being 0/7 or something, and having basically PT and an ogre club at minute 20.

S4 crushed on game 2, so I'm not sure what people have been saying in the previous pages.

In the end, I do feel like VP played it extremely well. Not a flashy play, but extremely efficient, aggressive and focused. They were fucking relentless (that storm buyback despite a 20 sec (?) bloodstone cd), constant pressure. Crazy rosh attempts with drow. Always picking off value targets during skirmishes (S4 evaporating in 3 seconds, each fights, during game3). Imo, they really outdrafted and outplayed Secret. And made them look sloppy.

Well, maybe they are sloppy, too. I do not know behind the scene stuff.

Anyways, a pity, really.


I mean, they kinda had to, QoP was very farmed, but its still a game with Earthshaker, Storm and Silencer, Secret WAS going to lose if they didnt try to bring rtz back, and at some point they kinda did (rtz had 12-13k farm about 2k below Silencer/Storm, and she farms like a madman) but VP finished nicely


RTZ had almost catch up to Silencer(I think the difference between the two was less than 1k; then VP faked a push and backed off after he activated his BKB. Less than 10 seconds after that, for some reason(sunk cost fallacy or something) RTZ decided to run straight down mid when it was obvious(or at least probable) VP was waiting high ground. VP jumped on him, Secret was forced into a bad team fight where they got wiped and from then on the game was lost.

s4 really, really fucked up on the last game with the stupid solo gank tries but that game wouldn't even happened if RTZ didn't fuck up during g2. So yeah, blaming the series loss on s4 is oversimplifying things a bit.

How many times did s4 died while solo ganking?

As far as I remember, twice. But both were really, really stupid deaths, and similar too. He went bot to gank drow with ult, blinked forward, got stunned by shaker and lina and died.

Twice with low to no bounties, that is not fucking up. RTZ was way out of position in game 2 at least twice with an underfarmed hero who has no escape methods, for instance enemy jungle with Zai, first dies Zai then RTZ.

Just leave s4 alone and move on. You people are making a fuzz over nothing. A lot of teams lose, whether you like it or not. I also wished for NaVi to do better, but I, for a change, realize that this TI has a quite high level compared to any other TI and not everything is possible. Secret just showed they were not the best. It is a matter of accepting that fact.


Edit: This is directed at most of you, what many people are doing here is showing that you are not fans of Secret but fans of winning, you don't care how the teams win, which players play on the team or how is the team's name. If you are that petty then just take off the Secret flair and put some RTZ flair or something like that.

Have you bothered to read my posts? It's obvious s4 fucked up and had a terrible g3, that's not up for discussion. But as I already he wasn't the sole reason for Secret bombing out early, everyone had terrible moments.

I did, the last part was a generalization not about you, and no, he did not had a terrible game, he is just the target of hate.
zdarr
Profile Joined September 2010
France375 Posts
August 07 2015 22:42 GMT
#1705
On August 08 2015 05:32 Racket wrote:


Edit: This is directed at most of you, what many people are doing here is showing that you are not fans of Secret but fans of winning, you don't care how the teams win, which players play on the team or how is the team's name. If you are that petty then just take off the Secret flair and put some RTZ flair or something like that.


Unfortunately in every sports, good teams will draw attention from the "bandwagonners" who are quick to change team because they have no real affect for players and they only like "good dota". I think those guys will now start to like cdec after the strong performance they showed throughout the tournament, if they do win TI.

I agree their should be some way to have some player flair, like kuro got an icon for the items linked to him but too few players have that
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 23:31:47
August 07 2015 23:30 GMT
#1706
wrong thread sry

FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
August 07 2015 23:31 GMT
#1707
On August 08 2015 08:30 r00ty wrote:
Just came home from work. Was EG CDEC a stomp?
I'd like to cheer for a western team in the finals. No offense.


It was kinda stompy. They might rebound though.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 23:44:37
August 07 2015 23:43 GMT
#1708
On August 08 2015 08:31 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 08:30 r00ty wrote:
Just came home from work. Was EG CDEC a stomp?
I'd like to cheer for a western team in the finals. No offense.


It was kinda stompy. They might rebound though.


Alright ty! I'll have a look.

Topic: I was quite shocked when Secret was eliminated but would love if they stuck together.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
August 08 2015 00:12 GMT
#1709


Well there you go guys. Definitive proof that Kuroky is leaving Secret to join n0tail, SingSing, Jerax, and Dendi. Team is called Team Known About. You heard it here first.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
August 08 2015 02:10 GMT
#1710
On August 08 2015 09:12 FHDH wrote:
https://twitter.com/kky_KuroKy/status/629805655038128128

Well there you go guys. Definitive proof that Kuroky is leaving Secret to join n0tail, SingSing, Jerax, and Dendi. Team is called Team Known About. You heard it here first.


Wha?
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
August 08 2015 02:19 GMT
#1711
On August 08 2015 11:10 the bear jew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 09:12 FHDH wrote:
https://twitter.com/kky_KuroKy/status/629805655038128128

Well there you go guys. Definitive proof that Kuroky is leaving Secret to join n0tail, SingSing, Jerax, and Dendi. Team is called Team Known About. You heard it here first.


Wha?



Yea wha? I thought it was Dendi, Jerax, Meracle, Excalibur. I also thought ixmike was coach/manager.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
August 08 2015 04:45 GMT
#1712
On August 08 2015 04:08 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 03:29 dmnum wrote:
s4 really, really fucked up on the last game with the stupid solo gank tries but that game wouldn't even happened if RTZ didn't fuck up during g2. So yeah, blaming the series loss on s4 is oversimplifying things a bit.

The reasoning is that g2 is also s4's fault because of the draft.

Which is stupid reasoning, but it is what it is.

draft aside, kuro leaving top lane to feed at the rune really fucked over rtz's lane

maybe he could've done a lane switch but there was plenty of shit that game that wasn't his fault (though some deaths definitely were unnecessary and seemed tilty)
posting on liquid sites in current year
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
August 08 2015 11:05 GMT
#1713
On August 08 2015 13:45 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 04:08 TheYango wrote:
On August 08 2015 03:29 dmnum wrote:
s4 really, really fucked up on the last game with the stupid solo gank tries but that game wouldn't even happened if RTZ didn't fuck up during g2. So yeah, blaming the series loss on s4 is oversimplifying things a bit.

The reasoning is that g2 is also s4's fault because of the draft.

Which is stupid reasoning, but it is what it is.

draft aside, kuro leaving top lane to feed at the rune really fucked over rtz's lane

maybe he could've done a lane switch but there was plenty of shit that game that wasn't his fault (though some deaths definitely were unnecessary and seemed tilty)

Game 2 was prettu much on the draft tho, and VP realizing it.

Theres no chance that Luna would not have been ganked the entire game when the only support rtz had was a SS, maybe thw worst solo lane supports at the early levels

Especially against ES and Storm. Rtz just didnt had a chance
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3791 Posts
August 08 2015 16:04 GMT
#1714
On August 08 2015 11:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 11:10 the bear jew wrote:
On August 08 2015 09:12 FHDH wrote:
https://twitter.com/kky_KuroKy/status/629805655038128128

Well there you go guys. Definitive proof that Kuroky is leaving Secret to join n0tail, SingSing, Jerax, and Dendi. Team is called Team Known About. You heard it here first.


Wha?



Yea wha? I thought it was Dendi, Jerax, Meracle, Excalibur. I also thought ixmike was coach/manager.



Excalibur and Jerax are relative unknowns. SingSing and Notail make more sense.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
August 08 2015 16:05 GMT
#1715
ill take tucker

ty
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
August 08 2015 16:08 GMT
#1716
so many haters after we fucking lost holy shit. talk about kicking a man when hes down.
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
Nerfed
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation1132 Posts
August 08 2015 17:37 GMT
#1717
On August 09 2015 01:08 HighTimeDotA wrote:
so many haters after we fucking lost holy shit. talk about kicking a man when hes down.


it's sad, yeah. i just try to ignore those people, they act like shit.

let's hope for the best, though i really doubt the roster stays the same. i kinda agree with Bisu-Fan in terms of suspicions about rtz's behaviour.
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 18:08:58
August 08 2015 18:08 GMT
#1718
edit : wrong disscusion
6nnn
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
August 08 2015 21:56 GMT
#1719
On August 09 2015 01:08 HighTimeDotA wrote:
so many haters after we fucking lost holy shit. talk about kicking a man when hes down.


Just look at their flairs and laugh at the fact that they've been waiting all year to post their bs because they were sick of hearing how good we are.

It's a shame that the players underperformed but for the most part the shit talk is coming from everyone but vp and ehome fans, the only ones that deserve to say a word bc they did well to tilt and beat secret.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
August 09 2015 07:33 GMT
#1720
On August 09 2015 06:56 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2015 01:08 HighTimeDotA wrote:
so many haters after we fucking lost holy shit. talk about kicking a man when hes down.


Just look at their flairs and laugh at the fact that they've been waiting all year to post their bs because they were sick of hearing how good we are.

It's a shame that the players underperformed but for the most part the shit talk is coming from everyone but vp and ehome fans, the only ones that deserve to say a word bc they did well to tilt and beat secret.

Most shitposts come from people with TS's flair, didn't you read them?
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