Team Secret Discussion - Page 39

On April 06 2015 04:53 FHDH wrote:

Just because he managed to lose as Troll with a magnus --

On April 06 2015 08:33 Nikto wrote:
well they need to be slapped in the face a couple times more than once by Alliance recently and let's see

On April 06 2015 10:02 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:


I don't think there is a team out there that has more potential than Secret. Like if they can just get their shit together and get Arteezy to care about the game there is no stopping this team. The team consists of only absolute beasts. I know having star players on every position doesn't necessarily mean success but honestly look at these players and what they have done and what they can do. They showed it in DAC group stage with 13-0, like wtf.

No matter how many times Alliance beats secret there still will be no team with the potential of this Team Secret line up.

On April 06 2015 11:40 Nagamundo wrote:


Arteezy has stated that he has been motivated ever since joining Secret so I don't think that's the problem.

Although they did well at the DAC group stage, cracks began to appear soon afterward. Make no mistake, Secret is still a very strong team. But unless they develop more strategies, I don't see them winning TI5. Top 6 at most.

On April 06 2015 11:26 Churrass wrote:
its always funny to see people overreact from a meangningless group stage loss

On April 06 2015 11:40 Nagamundo wrote:


Arteezy has stated that he has been motivated ever since joining Secret so I don't think that's the problem.

Although they did well at the DAC group stage, cracks began to appear soon afterward. Make no mistake, Secret is still a very strong team. But unless they develop more strategies, I don't see them winning TI5. Top 6 at most.

On April 07 2015 04:21 Super_Style wrote:
Problem with secret is that they are playing without a position 1 player, rtz is a mid core(2) and s4 keeps playing utility champs on a safe lane, thus making the team without a hard carry. The time of mid pucks and "million dollar coils" is over and watching s4 play carries(like now against SFZ) is just sad... Either they let zai play that safe lane hard carry and switch s4 to offlane where he can play those utility cores that he was always famous for, or s4 gets booted for someone who can play carries on 1/2 position. For example look at the duos of 1/2 from empire/asus/tinker/IG and many others where both of their 1/2 can play any carry role on any lane.

On April 07 2015 04:23 FHDH wrote:

I agree with part of this but the position 1 mid is a real thing with a successful track record, so your assertion that RTZ is pos 2 because he is mid is just incorrect.

On April 07 2015 04:36 Super_Style wrote:

Position 1 mid is a real thing if you are for example tinker and have qojqva play medusa mid while black plays troll safe lane or some other carry. Its not secrets playstyle and even if you count rtz as position 1 player, s4 still doesnt even fill the role of position 2 player, he is offlane player who gets safe lane farm at best. Reminds me of navi that forces dendi mid on magnus and plays single carry core setup, havent seen them won a game on that. Just doesnt work.

On April 07 2015 04:52 FHDH wrote:

I think you're confusing terminology. "Position 1" just means it is the hero with top farm priority. This is what Arteezy has played in most of his professional games.

What I believe you're expressing dissatisfaction with is the fact that since Arteezy has taken over position 1 on Secret they have not been running a lot of late game carries. Like Tinker was before the nerf (I mean he still kinda is but the nerfs were fuckin' real). And when they have deviated from this they have shown mixed results.

I don't disagree with this. But you have to be clear about what you mean.

On April 07 2015 05:01 Super_Style wrote:

I guess you are correct, sorry i have trouble expressing my thoughts exactly. However how would you then explain teams like IG, tinker or mostly EG where sumail fills same role as rtz while fear is doing what s4 should be doing. I wouldnt say that either fear or burning have farm priority over ferrari or sumail.

On April 07 2015 05:08 FHDH wrote:

I don't watch enough IG to say anything about their current drafting patterns but EG is running similar to Secret. The big difference is they have a farming carry in Fear and, as you say, S4 has been usually running a utility hero from the safelane. When EG is on their game, on the back of SumaiL's play, the enemy team is often on their heels by the time a Fear hero really comes online. In the same time period S4 will be expected to be fighting.

Essentially, Secret has been drafting to win during the mid game, typically speaking. EG has been drafting to have more security late game because their safelane hero is a true carry.