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On September 12 2015 06:17 Zea! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 06:16 TMG26 wrote:On September 12 2015 06:03 Zea! wrote:
2-3 hours of practice at those levels are nothing guys.... Arteezy said in his ask.fm he can play 10 hours per day (in 7k+ bracket, not 5k) to train, if they want to ever accomplish anything, they NEED to play that much at highest levels for a long time otherwise, they'll never reach anything, if they are ok with it i don't mind, i'll Always support the boys no matter what. He play 10hr, but not 10hr in scrims. Still, against 7k+ opponents
But you playing pubs against 7000+ MMR players does nothing to make your team better. As such, it's time wasted. Yes, it helps keep the players sharp, but it's nothing in comparison to playing together. Surely, if you keep playing highly competitive scrims, you will learn and improve faster as well. Sure, pubs might sometimes provide inspiration for players and help them try out things and find their own style, but I don't think that's impossible in team practice. If a team doesn't practice enough together, they won't have enough time to figure out their week points and find out what they want to work towards.
I really hope that most of the top teams spend most of their time practising together. But I realize that the Dota scene isn't big enough that everyone can afford to do that. Players need to stream for some kind of income, and mostly the young kids will have time to play many hours on end without having to earn a living from the game.
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Well, i agree with you, i hope they have the will to start playing together 8+ hours/day but if they can't, it would be good if they start at least individually play with the best players and not just fooling around for fun.
At the moment, they aren't doing neither of those things or at least, not enough of those to be competitive at best levels.
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Oh S4 why oh why did you go back to this shitfest!
You still had a career. Now it's gonna die with Alliance.
RIP......
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On September 12 2015 13:44 sweetkay wrote:
Oh S4 why oh why did you go back to this shitfest!
You still had a career. Now it's gonna die with Alliance.
RIP......
The last series is on him , he drafted like he was blind or something , gave away OP heroes of the patch and got Luna in return.... Alliance is a passive team and should avoid the bounty support (even more so with Akke which plays defense dota only) , i liked the NiP series better with the Gyro and Shakers of the world , at least they showed some promise.... going back to Naix and Luna is a losing proposition ...
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Let's be fair, this semi-new Alliance have not been together for more than a month. It's a little too soon to expect perfect team cohesion and flexibility from our boys.
With that said, I like that s4 is willing to try new heroes and new playstyles. This last tournament was rather small in scope and 6,85 should be hitting soon. Hopefully the squad is preparing themselves for the upcoming meta-shift. Being familiar with a long range of heroes will no doubt ease this shift.
With THAT said, they need to keep practicing, preferably more than the competitors. It's the only way to raise themselves back into ti-tier. They need to figure out how to win every stage of the game, and how to recover from a bad position. Right now, a bad early game feels like instant tilt.
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On September 12 2015 06:16 TMG26 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 06:03 Zea! wrote:
2-3 hours of practice at those levels are nothing guys.... Arteezy said in his ask.fm he can play 10 hours per day (in 7k+ bracket, not 5k) to train, if they want to ever accomplish anything, they NEED to play that much at highest levels for a long time otherwise, they'll never reach anything, if they are ok with it i don't mind, i'll Always support the boys no matter what. He play 10hr, but not 10hr in scrims.
10 hrs a day, but sometimes arteezy has insane queue times. that might mean he doesn't play too many games in a day though.
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I'm actually really confused why Arteezy still plays on his main account. Queue times are insane and it's not like he seems to care all that much about getting to 8k.
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To confirm what we were saying some days ago, Yesterday Loda was at a wedding, today Bulldog is streaming with his grills.... with this kind of training i don't think they'll reach high levels of competition.
But who cares, let's watch some Dongerino stream :D
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Prime scrim time is probably after 17? 
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On September 13 2015 21:14 Zea! wrote:
To confirm what we were saying some days ago, Yesterday Loda was at a wedding, today Bulldog is streaming with his grills.... with this kind of training i don't think they'll reach high levels of competition.
But who cares, let's watch some Dongerino stream :D
It was his best friend's wedding, that's just uncool to call him out for. Of course he'd attend that!
But yeah, generally I don't get the impression that they're practising seriously.
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PPD has basically been streaming daily since the start of the year or so, and he's one of the most ballbreaking team practice fiends in the entire scene. It's unfair to say that just because people stream, they aren't practicing.
Also, as far as Alliance is concerned... the more I watch them and their players, the more I get the feeling that their TI3 run was based around them being incredibly good at playing heroes that were strongly in the meta. Think about it: out of all of the terrifying Alliance signature heroes, only maybe one or two are still considered strong these days. Almost none of the current "broken heroes" are ones which they played often. Out of the entire team, the only player who I think has adapted somewhat to the different heroes is s4, but some of his stronger heroes either stayed or shifted back into the meta. This compounded with their meta-specific strategies kind of explains why they're so irrelevant these days, and it makes one wonder how vulnerable every team might be to the same exact thing. Maybe EG are good right now because Storm and Ember are good. Maybe Na'Vi have fallen off because XBOCT and Dendi heroes aren't what they were. Maybe the East/West TI swapping is just a symptom of the best heroes from each scene being successively nerfed, switching who has an advantage in an almost arbitrary fashion. Maybe there isn't really any competition in the competitive scene, and it's all about who happens to be lucky with the latest patch.
I dunno. All this is an extreme interpretation of these events. Some players, like Silent, tend to stay really stable: he's never been at the absolute top, but has never drifted down into irrelevancy either. That should silence (ha ha) some of my reservations.
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I'm surprised EG is still keeping them.
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I think it's worth it to point out that with a new balance patch on the horizon there's little reason to try hard in a meta that will soon be obsolete. Not that it excuses their questionable plays, but I think it's pretty safe to assume that Alliance was aware of Lifestealer's viability in this patch when they picked him. They can very well end up being every bit as bad as their last couple games would have you believe, but it's early yet to count them out.
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On September 14 2015 00:10 Acritter wrote:
PPD has basically been streaming daily since the start of the year or so, and he's one of the most ballbreaking team practice fiends in the entire scene. It's unfair to say that just because people stream, they aren't practicing.
Also, as far as Alliance is concerned... the more I watch them and their players, the more I get the feeling that their TI3 run was based around them being incredibly good at playing heroes that were strongly in the meta. Think about it: out of all of the terrifying Alliance signature heroes, only maybe one or two are still considered strong these days. Almost none of the current "broken heroes" are ones which they played often. Out of the entire team, the only player who I think has adapted somewhat to the different heroes is s4, but some of his stronger heroes either stayed or shifted back into the meta. This compounded with their meta-specific strategies kind of explains why they're so irrelevant these days, and it makes one wonder how vulnerable every team might be to the same exact thing. Maybe EG are good right now because Storm and Ember are good. Maybe Na'Vi have fallen off because XBOCT and Dendi heroes aren't what they were. Maybe the East/West TI swapping is just a symptom of the best heroes from each scene being successively nerfed, switching who has an advantage in an almost arbitrary fashion. Maybe there isn't really any competition in the competitive scene, and it's all about who happens to be lucky with the latest patch.
I dunno. All this is an extreme interpretation of these events. Some players, like Silent, tend to stay really stable: he's never been at the absolute top, but has never drifted down into irrelevancy either. That should silence (ha ha) some of my reservations.
I would agree somewhat. I attribute alliance's ti3 dominance purely to strategy. It was a time when teams did not understand split push, or the strength of farm on supports. Teams were focused on sacrificing alot to get their sole carry big, meanwhile alliance spread the farm and had items on their supports + multi cores. Teams often grouped up or try to play aggressively, but alliance bought time via split pushing and dodging fights.
You can only see an evolution in gameplay from s4. The rest are still primarily passive players. Then s4 could direct all the playmaking on his own. Now he needs help from his team, but I see no evidence of that happening.
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On September 14 2015 00:10 Acritter wrote:
PPD has basically been streaming daily since the start of the year or so, and he's one of the most ballbreaking team practice fiends in the entire scene. It's unfair to say that just because people stream, they aren't practicing.
Also, as far as Alliance is concerned... the more I watch them and their players, the more I get the feeling that their TI3 run was based around them being incredibly good at playing heroes that were strongly in the meta. Think about it: out of all of the terrifying Alliance signature heroes, only maybe one or two are still considered strong these days. Almost none of the current "broken heroes" are ones which they played often. Out of the entire team, the only player who I think has adapted somewhat to the different heroes is s4, but some of his stronger heroes either stayed or shifted back into the meta. This compounded with their meta-specific strategies kind of explains why they're so irrelevant these days, and it makes one wonder how vulnerable every team might be to the same exact thing. Maybe EG are good right now because Storm and Ember are good. Maybe Na'Vi have fallen off because XBOCT and Dendi heroes aren't what they were. Maybe the East/West TI swapping is just a symptom of the best heroes from each scene being successively nerfed, switching who has an advantage in an almost arbitrary fashion. Maybe there isn't really any competition in the competitive scene, and it's all about who happens to be lucky with the latest patch.
I dunno. All this is an extreme interpretation of these events. Some players, like Silent, tend to stay really stable: he's never been at the absolute top, but has never drifted down into irrelevancy either. That should silence (ha ha) some of my reservations.
While that may be true for Alliance to some degree, they were still dominant for a full year (although they only faced Eastern teams for a few months). Na'vi was dominant for just over 2 years, across god knows how many patches. Albeit, in a much less competitive period for more than half their career, so you could argue they simply out skilled everyone.
EG has been consistently at the top for almost 2 years for about 4 major patches.
There are plenty of teams that rise and fall with single metas and patches. There are a few that actually stay at the top.
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I don't know how this team is still alive! They were just terrible today against a very newly formed team as well.
And to whoever is saying bulldog is great and a top player, no he is not and he's been proving it time and time again. He doesn't make a difference in the game at all.
His earthshaker was so crap, I've seen 3.5k earthshakers do 5x times better than him. Every time he plays clock he also doesn't contribute, hooks in and dies. Literally no effect on the game.
And if you look at his pub games you can see why, now of course you may say he is just having fun in those and not taking it seriously, but he streams for hours, if he doesn't take it seriously for 3-4-5 hours per day when he streams when does he take it seriously?
Pubs are better practice than screams, screams no one is really trying hard, team wise the decision is to hide strats and don't try too hard, so its pub games left that you need to learn and gain experience and become better.
Fucking around for hours in pub games doesn't make you a better player and we are seeing that, when he plays for Alliance he is shit, he hasn't contributed in any significant way to his team winning, all of his plays are useless and bad.
And he isn't the only one playing garbage, but he is most definitely playing the most garbage out of the players. Loda is probably second, he hasn't been able to carry the team since TI3. I haven't seen him dominate in any game, I haven't see him so farmed that he just kills heroes for fun, I haven't seen him be decisive in team fights.
Their whole team looks so out of place and incoherent. Even their drafts even with S4 back are so old school, picking puck when that hero is destroyed in mid by every other hero, picking NP when that hero is garbage, no matter how good you are on that hero, when the hero is garbage and doesn't fit the meta you can't make it work!
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On September 16 2015 04:45 BillGates wrote:
I don't know how this team is still alive! They were just terrible today against a very newly formed team as well.
And to whoever is saying bulldog is great and a top player, no he is not and he's been proving it time and time again. He doesn't make a difference in the game at all.
His earthshaker was so crap, I've seen 3.5k earthshakers do 5x times better than him. Every time he plays clock he also doesn't contribute, hooks in and dies. Literally no effect on the game.
And if you look at his pub games you can see why, now of course you may say he is just having fun in those and not taking it seriously, but he streams for hours, if he doesn't take it seriously for 3-4-5 hours per day when he streams when does he take it seriously?
Pubs are better practice than screams, screams no one is really trying hard, team wise the decision is to hide strats and don't try too hard, so its pub games left that you need to learn and gain experience and become better.
Fucking around for hours in pub games doesn't make you a better player and we are seeing that, when he plays for Alliance he is shit, he hasn't contributed in any significant way to his team winning, all of his plays are useless and bad.
And he isn't the only one playing garbage, but he is most definitely playing the most garbage out of the players. Loda is probably second, he hasn't been able to carry the team since TI3. I haven't seen him dominate in any game, I haven't see him so farmed that he just kills heroes for fun, I haven't seen him be decisive in team fights.
Their whole team looks so out of place and incoherent. Even their drafts even with S4 back are so old school, picking puck when that hero is destroyed in mid by every other hero, picking NP when that hero is garbage, no matter how good you are on that hero, when the hero is garbage and doesn't fit the meta you can't make it work!
I kinda agree with you, they don't tryhard as they should if they want to compete at highest levels.
The only thing i have to say is: Do they really want to?
Looking at their behavior during the week (streaming with noobs and girls/ playing custom maps/ going outside chilling / at events / real life parties ecc.) it looks like they don't give a fuck to go back to a t1 status, they're kinda fine with sticking in t3 tier and just playing for fun.
If they're fine with it, why fans should rage? Let's accept it and move on :p
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On September 16 2015 04:49 Zea! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 04:45 BillGates wrote:
I don't know how this team is still alive! They were just terrible today against a very newly formed team as well.
And to whoever is saying bulldog is great and a top player, no he is not and he's been proving it time and time again. He doesn't make a difference in the game at all.
His earthshaker was so crap, I've seen 3.5k earthshakers do 5x times better than him. Every time he plays clock he also doesn't contribute, hooks in and dies. Literally no effect on the game.
And if you look at his pub games you can see why, now of course you may say he is just having fun in those and not taking it seriously, but he streams for hours, if he doesn't take it seriously for 3-4-5 hours per day when he streams when does he take it seriously?
Pubs are better practice than screams, screams no one is really trying hard, team wise the decision is to hide strats and don't try too hard, so its pub games left that you need to learn and gain experience and become better.
Fucking around for hours in pub games doesn't make you a better player and we are seeing that, when he plays for Alliance he is shit, he hasn't contributed in any significant way to his team winning, all of his plays are useless and bad.
And he isn't the only one playing garbage, but he is most definitely playing the most garbage out of the players. Loda is probably second, he hasn't been able to carry the team since TI3. I haven't seen him dominate in any game, I haven't see him so farmed that he just kills heroes for fun, I haven't seen him be decisive in team fights.
Their whole team looks so out of place and incoherent. Even their drafts even with S4 back are so old school, picking puck when that hero is destroyed in mid by every other hero, picking NP when that hero is garbage, no matter how good you are on that hero, when the hero is garbage and doesn't fit the meta you can't make it work! I kinda agree with you, they don't tryhard as they should if they want to compete at highest levels. The only thing i have to say is: Do they really want to? Looking at their behavior during the week (streaming with noobs and girls/ playing custom maps/ going outside chilling / at events / real life parties ecc.) it looks like they don't give a fuck to go back to a t1 status, they're kinda fine with sticking in t3 tier and just playing for fun. If they're fine with it, why fans should rage? Let's accept it and move on :p
Well fans are accepting it and that is why Alliance barely has any fans these days. But if they think they are going to get paid for much longer while being garbage, they are in for a rude awakening. I don't see Alliance keeping any of them past this year if they don't perform.
You can't suck for 2 years and expect to still be paid.
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