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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-24 16:57:23
May 24 2017 16:49 GMT
#5061
BKB rush on spectre
vs Disruptor who gets fast aghs
loda then farms radiant secret shop creeps alone
Gets caught by disruptor dies :D
I mean that's such a huge cockup to just tunnel vision ravages, do tons less damage (hello reflection) with an item that's useless at 35 minute mark

Yeah I'm a big fan of this team it's so bad it's hilarious actally
Gogo hope they play more events!
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
HaxSpetten
Profile Joined May 2017
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-24 17:21:27
May 24 2017 17:20 GMT
#5062
When I look at Alliance today I see many issues but they are all associated with Loda.

First issue is that Loda is both a player and major stakeholder in alliance. Hence there is a conflict of interest. Essentially meaning that he is “irremovable” from the lineup. He can play shit dota and he will still play.

Second issue is that Loda has not been a tier 1 player for many years. That would probably be okay if he played another position, a bit like ppd or Synderen. But since Loda insists on playing position 1 this becomes a critical issue for several reasons.

First of course there is the direct impact, i.e. if Alliance goes up against top teams (e.g. OG, Liquid, Newbee, EG, VP) they will have a worse carry than any of those, so whatever strategy they use will have to overcome that disadvantage.

The even bigger issue is that the old alliance players will not come back. So for alliance to become a tier 1 team again they need to attract new tier 1 players, presumably after TI. Let say Jerax or Midone is searching for a team. The issue here is that they are much better players than Loda, and they recognize that. So why would top players join a team where the carry is a much worse player than they are?

The simple answer is that they won’t. Thus the problem with alliance is a systematic one.

I for one will not watch another game of Alliance until Loda is off the team. If Loda still has the skill to be on a tier 1 level then he should leave Alliance and join another top team were he doesn’t have a conflict of interest.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
May 24 2017 19:50 GMT
#5063
On May 25 2017 01:31 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2017 06:39 Zea! wrote:
so you admitted you were a troll? :/...


Btw, i still don't understand the logic behind this, wasn't better to drop the nip trio and bring akke+synd+xcal to the team? This makes 0 sense


You assume that they want to play with LodA as carry. I mean it says a lot to me when Akke himself doesnt want to play with Loda, and chooses EGM + Synderen ahead of him.


yea, you may be right, didn't consider that...

Well, the problem with Loda is that he's lazy. He doesn't play solo mmr at all, and at this level is inexcusable. Even more if you consider that he's not even young, he's 30 and he desperately needs to keep playing solo ranked if he wants to stay relevant in an ultra competitive game where young players play 12 hours non stop to improve themselves.
His laziness in playing so few solo games is brutally showing now (no, scrims and party games are just NOT enough and every other pro knows that)... add to that that the NIP trio (except Limmp) is bad, Jonass and Handsken are just mediocre players at best. Pablo may be a good talent but come on, what can he change? Absolutely nothing.
Loda should stop to think the problem is always somewhere else, and start to think that if he wants to stay relevant in this game, he has to tryhard, but really HARD. This, or just take a step back into a coaching position, or just bury the hatchet (may be should've done after s4, Bulldog and Akke left...) and let Alliance rest with good memories.
As of now, sad to say, but he's ruining the legacy, i wish Alliance could have a better ending and not this shitshow.
My last hope is a miracle after the TI qualifiers.. but i think i'm sad as much as after the disband last year .
Will we see a light at the bottom of the tunnel? Please stop making fun of us, we don't deserve this.
The Real Power~
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
May 24 2017 20:02 GMT
#5064
Loda says he still plays to make sure sweden has a legacy, to make sure others put sweden on the top. Imho that's idealistic and unecessary. And even if he wants to do so, he should become a coach/manager, as he doesn't need to be playing, more so being the carry player.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-24 22:09:00
May 24 2017 22:03 GMT
#5065
Well yeah what you say checks out - even I who can try hard max 4.2k probably played more games on spectre recently... Those basic mistakes and builds wouldn't come if he played tons of games (like the bkb on paper doesn't seem bad, bud was lol awful he losing that game ).

Guess he doesn't have it in him to grind it into 9k mmr again with girlfriend being old, comfort zone ...He's not dedicated like e.g. Burning nor has the creativity and adaptability of N0tail.


On the other hand...be honest guys do you really want alliance to stop playing ? I sure enjoy watching games more when a brand like this plays
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
May 25 2017 02:34 GMT
#5066
On May 25 2017 07:03 LemOn wrote:


On the other hand...be honest guys do you really want alliance to stop playing ? I sure enjoy watching games more when a brand like this plays


Storyline matchup are definitely interesting, but that is hugely connected to the players in Dota2. Loda just doesn't have the pull that other dota Gods have like Puppey, Burning, S4, and Xiao8 have. He is a TI winner, but honestly unless he can captain a team to decent results he will just be washed up.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 26 2017 19:03 GMT
#5067
THEY ARE DOING IT!
Crushing Effect game1!
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 19:07:02
May 26 2017 19:06 GMT
#5068
With loda the least damage+heal out of all heroes in the gane on position1 rofl :D
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Gear 3rd
Profile Joined July 2011
1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 19:07:09
May 26 2017 19:07 GMT
#5069
On May 27 2017 04:03 LemOn wrote:
THEY ARE DOING IT!
Crushing Effect game1!

QUestionable use of words
EXTERMINATE!
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 26 2017 20:18 GMT
#5070
On May 27 2017 04:07 Gear 3rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2017 04:03 LemOn wrote:
THEY ARE DOING IT!
Crushing Effect game1!

QUestionable use of words

They took em down 2:0!

I mean this is what remaining Alliance fans should be happy with no?
The King of Tier2 teams just on the verge of qualifying for tournaments
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
May 26 2017 20:47 GMT
#5071
On May 27 2017 05:18 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2017 04:07 Gear 3rd wrote:
On May 27 2017 04:03 LemOn wrote:
THEY ARE DOING IT!
Crushing Effect game1!

QUestionable use of words

They took em down 2:0!

I mean this is what remaining Alliance fans should be happy with no?
The King of Tier2 teams just on the verge of qualifying for tournaments

isn't king of tier2 teams navi?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 22:27:52
May 26 2017 22:27 GMT
#5072
On May 27 2017 05:47 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2017 05:18 LemOn wrote:
On May 27 2017 04:07 Gear 3rd wrote:
On May 27 2017 04:03 LemOn wrote:
THEY ARE DOING IT!
Crushing Effect game1!

QUestionable use of words

They took em down 2:0!

I mean this is what remaining Alliance fans should be happy with no?
The King of Tier2 teams just on the verge of qualifying for tournaments

isn't king of tier2 teams navi?

I meant what they can aspire towards
I guess Na'Vi is the best team not getting to tourneys now?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
May 27 2017 18:49 GMT
#5073
This game is kinda embarassing
The Real Power~
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 28 2017 19:08 GMT
#5074
lol this Lootbet thing seems pretty cool
Before draft
- Alliance slight favorite
After draft
Alliance a pretty big dog :D
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
May 28 2017 19:32 GMT
#5075
Akke+4 was a better iteration lul
The Real Power~
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 28 2017 19:37 GMT
#5076
Jonas out of position like a champ multiple times all game xD
Say what you want
I wouldn't watch this if A wasn't playin, hope they don't disband just yet
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 28 2017 19:38 GMT
#5077
And limmp is like "fuck it guys you just go feed, I'll farm alone all game :D"
And now he SAVES QOP FROM LEGION
Will be a miracle if these guys even last until TI qualifiers
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
May 28 2017 19:41 GMT
#5078
Jesus christ, this is... pure shit
The Real Power~
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 28 2017 19:47 GMT
#5079
Mentioned it in other thread
But the way Limmp ignores his team then screws up the one time legion jumps QOP
smokes getting popped people feeding
all this vs a T2 team
If they were a CIS team they'd ragequit disband midgame :D
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
May 28 2017 19:50 GMT
#5080
well, at this point they'll have more chance if they full disband and make a casual 5 men stack tbh
The Real Power~
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