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hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
January 14 2016 13:54 GMT
#2341
Wow i did not expect that, congratulations. I hope they play liquid in the playoffs;)
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
January 14 2016 14:56 GMT
#2342
EG was close to being eliminated. If fnatic would have won vs eg, eg would have been out. And it was a close one. That said, I'm sure eg would have played differently vs a in that case.
My guess A had a really good chance of going 5-0 in the group if they had arrived a day early and was rested and fed! Glad they made it either way...
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
January 14 2016 15:12 GMT
#2343
Damn what a brutal night it must have been , knowing you going against 2 of the top dogs and most likely going out after such a bad traveling experience , team pulled through , gratz to them!
ddayzy
Profile Joined September 2014
259 Posts
January 14 2016 16:29 GMT
#2344
On January 14 2016 16:14 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 04:39 ddayzy wrote:
On January 14 2016 04:10 hunter_x wrote:
On January 14 2016 03:59 ddayzy wrote:
On January 14 2016 03:52 hunter_x wrote:
On January 14 2016 03:46 ddayzy wrote:
On January 13 2016 14:58 sunrazgriz wrote:
hello ddayzy ,
alliance is tier 3 team and i am loving it , also its good to cheer the most hated dota team. feels like an antagonis. sure you are just boring protagonist.

Trying to divide teams into arbitrary tiers is a fairly pointless semantic exercise. There is no agreed upon definition or requirements neither does it have any practical implications. I get that some people love Alliance, what I'm curious about is why.

If anyone have energy or time to actually hate a dota team I envy them their care free life. I don't get why that would be a goal for you though. Negative attention better then no attention? If being a antagonist is all you want you could just come out in favour of a terrorist organization or something equally silly.

I'm not telling you what you should or shoulden't do. I just don't understand it. I might very well be the odd one out here.

Yes you are the odd one here. Being a fan has nothing to do with logic, or how good the team is. What i get from your posts, is that you try to sound super smart all the time.

Yes we have allready established what the reason isn't, what I'm wondering is what it is. If you want to contribute you could answear that question for me.

This argument as a whole is dumb as fuck. They are just fans of a fucking dota team, nobody cares about your logic. I will not continue this with you...

Nobody forced you to enter the discussion at all. You made the decision to do so and you chose to add nothing of value. Yes they are which is why the question of why should be easy to answer. The questions are there for people to answer if they wish.


You are arrogant (not sure why you wrote you aren't) you just seem to ignore that fact for some reason , here ill show you :
"I'm not a fan of a particular team, why would you be? There are teams I enjoy watching, usually because they are good and because you can learn something. It's the other position that doesn't make sense, why would you be a fan of a team? What do you get out of that relationship?"

So you feel you have nothing to learn from teams who are not the tip top best of the world ? so i assume you are actually a pro player ? give me a f****g break , if you don't think that all the players in the open qualifiers aren't leagues better then you then you are delusional or a pro player , every player in Alliance is outrageously better then you , you saying you don't have anything to learn from them is mind boggling and stupid, if its because you don't ENJOY watching them play , fine , but we do ENJOY it.

regarding not understanding why ppl enjoy bulldog stream (you were hurt by that notion)- , i finished my uni years ago and i still enjoy watching bulldog stream from time to time , its a HOBBY/Recreational time , you don't seem to know what it is , also you believing that all of them are mediocre is whats strikes me the most of you being an arrogant prick.
What exactly is the answer you are looking from your questions ? ppl gave you plenty of them but you ignore them and say you don't understand them , sorry pal if you can't understand them you are thicker then i thought , good luck when you finish uni , you should find a job with 0 human interaction if possible as this seem like a weak spot for you.

Please , I ask you nicely because this is getting frustrating , contribute to the Alliance thread (i even miss the trolls) rather then discuss how fans behave , if you wish to discuss fan behaviour please open a thread in general i will come and discuss it with you there , have a nice day,





Since you brifely touches the topic in your five paragraph post demanding space not be wasted in this thread, which is ironic and a bit silly, I will answer. Please don't be disingenuous - if you actually was worried about off-topic posts you would not write five paragraphs where 90 percent of the text is about me. I'm fairly sure that is by miles and miles more off-topic in a Alliance thread then why people support Alliance. I'm flattered that you are so interested in me as a person even though I'm still not clear on how it's relevant to anything. Maybe you could explain?

You are misusing the word arrogant in your post after reading my post wher I give you the dictionary definition of the word, which also seems silly. What you are quoting is my viewpoint, having a different viewpoint then you has nothing to do with arrogance. Stating that my viewpoint was the only valid one, like you are doing and which I haven't, would be arrogant.

As for the little bit you write that's actually relevant. You are again repeating that you do it because you find it enjoyable and I don't because I don't. This was established at the start so why you think it is useful to restate somthing nobody is disputing is beyond me. Some did, you were not one of them, and I answered them.

If you want to learn something it is a good idea to make sure you are learning the correct thing. Just because someone is doing something better then you does not mean they are doing it right. I would argue it is better to learn from the best then from someone just better then you because you can be sure you are learning the optimal known way. This is also just one of two reasons I gave for my preferance to watch the top teams.
ddayzy
Profile Joined September 2014
259 Posts
January 14 2016 16:56 GMT
#2345
On January 14 2016 21:01 e1-Heaven[Nr.1] wrote:
I think your starting points are off.


Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 06:10 ddayzy wrote:

Because being a fan om someone is the same as idolising them and to idolise someone for something they are mediocre at is completly sensless. I'm a mediocre cook, feel free to idolise me.

I'm not a fan of a particular team, why would you be? There are teams I enjoy watching, usually because they are good and because you can learn something. It's the other position that doesn't make sense, why would you be a fan of a team? What do you get out of that relationship?


Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 05:49 ddayzy wrote:
The Allaince fandom goes straight over my head. I will never understand why people cheer for mediocrity. Surely the joy is in watching the game played to it's fullest potential.



First of all, Id argue that being a fan doesnt necesarily incline some sort of personality worship. For me personally, I dont particularly like any one person on Alliance but I do however cheer for the team. Secondly, Id argue that there's more than one type of joy in watching anything, as someone else mentioned, if you have an emotional bond due to whatever reason which can be formed as easily as having a common nationality or just a positive feeling about something. I don't think that there's alot of fans who actually worship every single player on a given team - you might just like individual playstyle or personality and that carries over to the team. To examplify, theres alot of individual athletes with fan followings which are not necessarily based on athletic superiority but rather personality, ethics or whatever other reason.

For me, Ive been a fan since NTH and their innovative lvl 1 rosh and was subsequently very impressed when they in a dota landscape dominated by chinese teams (at least as I remember it) went and won G-1 Champions League Season 5 undefeated through a series of Bo1s with a innovative TP rosh strat.

At that time, i guess by your logic it was reasonable to be a fan since they were the best team in the world but I still get positive feelings from when they won TI3 and I had stayed up all night and they were losing the final game just until the last minute - should i just discard that just cause they havnt done as well in the last few years? I will always root for alliance to some degree just based on that and I would assume that holds true for other people as well.


Fake rosh:


Lvl 1 rosh:


The dreamcoil:




If you go by dictionary definition a fan is "someone who ​admires and ​supports a ​person, ​sport, ​sports ​team..". A lesser or greater degree of personality worship is implied in the definition. The main reasons I can find to like something is because it's good or because it's so bad it's fun. You are adding a third here which I would agree with - because it so different it is interesting, in this case refering to playstyles. I would also agree Alliances playstyle is somewhat different even though it is not my cup of tea.

In your last paragraph you are adding yet another reason I agree with and it is a very obvious one so I'm a idiot for not seeing that one sooner - you start out liking them because they are good and that positive feeling lingers.

Thank you for a well reasoned post, it is greatly appreciated.

User was temp banned for this post.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-14 18:50:21
January 14 2016 18:48 GMT
#2346
how can i watch the 2 allience games from today?
in english
without downloading dota
nm 11 hours means today
http://www.twitch.tv/dotastarladder_en/v/35361968
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lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
January 14 2016 19:20 GMT
#2347
Pls win vs secret, i really really wanna see a bo3 vs liquid again!
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-14 20:30:31
January 14 2016 20:28 GMT
#2348
game vs secret should be pretty easy. They seem pretty down atm and wouldn't be surprised to see a 2-0 walk-over. Even if not 2-0 Alliance should win at least 2-1 vs them unless they blunder really hard.
So yeah, we should be getting that Liquid vs Alliance game >: )
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
January 14 2016 20:29 GMT
#2349
The boys made it, yesssssssssss! Time to watch the games for me, :D so hyped
The Real Power~
Bongy
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark151 Posts
January 14 2016 20:41 GMT
#2350
Alliance seemed on point today! On another note, the day-z kid seems mightily bored judging by the walls of unread text.
http://myhah.net/
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-14 21:09:49
January 14 2016 21:09 GMT
#2351
On January 15 2016 05:28 Toadesstern wrote:
game vs secret should be pretty easy. They seem pretty down atm and wouldn't be surprised to see a 2-0 walk-over. Even if not 2-0 Alliance should win at least 2-1 vs them unless they blunder really hard.
So yeah, we should be getting that Liquid vs Alliance game >: )


This Secret has never looked great in groups, be it Frankfurt major, NYC, MLG, WCA or SL. Of course their WCA run was worse than usual so idk maybe they really are still down, but it wouldn't really surprise me to see them playing better and better as the tournament progresses.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-14 22:31:50
January 14 2016 22:16 GMT
#2352
Amazing games, and loved our trademark CK+Io against EG :D, hope the boys will do it again Tomorrow, against Secret, they surely can!

Here's Akke interview



What a man, show them how true old generation of players don't need to cry for nothing about WCA conditions.

Akke you make me homo <3
The Real Power~
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
January 14 2016 23:25 GMT
#2353
I keep smiling when Akke's searching the back of his mind for English words.
Level of awkwardness in this interview 7/10: Would watch again!

On a serious note: Great insight regarding their split-up during 2014-2015. I think he hit the nail on the head describing how they needed some time apart to figure out what they wanted and what made their chemistry so special.

Glad to see them back on track and very excited for tomorrow.
Hype!
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
GiveMeYourtTots
Profile Joined May 2014
990 Posts
January 14 2016 23:35 GMT
#2354
On January 15 2016 01:56 ddayzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 21:01 e1-Heaven[Nr.1] wrote:
I think your starting points are off.


On January 13 2016 06:10 ddayzy wrote:

Because being a fan om someone is the same as idolising them and to idolise someone for something they are mediocre at is completly sensless. I'm a mediocre cook, feel free to idolise me.

I'm not a fan of a particular team, why would you be? There are teams I enjoy watching, usually because they are good and because you can learn something. It's the other position that doesn't make sense, why would you be a fan of a team? What do you get out of that relationship?


On January 13 2016 05:49 ddayzy wrote:
The Allaince fandom goes straight over my head. I will never understand why people cheer for mediocrity. Surely the joy is in watching the game played to it's fullest potential.



First of all, Id argue that being a fan doesnt necesarily incline some sort of personality worship. For me personally, I dont particularly like any one person on Alliance but I do however cheer for the team. Secondly, Id argue that there's more than one type of joy in watching anything, as someone else mentioned, if you have an emotional bond due to whatever reason which can be formed as easily as having a common nationality or just a positive feeling about something. I don't think that there's alot of fans who actually worship every single player on a given team - you might just like individual playstyle or personality and that carries over to the team. To examplify, theres alot of individual athletes with fan followings which are not necessarily based on athletic superiority but rather personality, ethics or whatever other reason.

For me, Ive been a fan since NTH and their innovative lvl 1 rosh and was subsequently very impressed when they in a dota landscape dominated by chinese teams (at least as I remember it) went and won G-1 Champions League Season 5 undefeated through a series of Bo1s with a innovative TP rosh strat.

At that time, i guess by your logic it was reasonable to be a fan since they were the best team in the world but I still get positive feelings from when they won TI3 and I had stayed up all night and they were losing the final game just until the last minute - should i just discard that just cause they havnt done as well in the last few years? I will always root for alliance to some degree just based on that and I would assume that holds true for other people as well.


Fake rosh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAWK5kNDDlM

Lvl 1 rosh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeV_uhbybUU

The dreamcoil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZQx3Op4_oY



If you go by dictionary definition a fan is "someone who ​admires and ​supports a ​person, ​sport, ​sports ​team..". A lesser or greater degree of personality worship is implied in the definition. The main reasons I can find to like something is because it's good or because it's so bad it's fun. You are adding a third here which I would agree with - because it so different it is interesting, in this case refering to playstyles. I would also agree Alliances playstyle is somewhat different even though it is not my cup of tea.

In your last paragraph you are adding yet another reason I agree with and it is a very obvious one so I'm a idiot for not seeing that one sooner - you start out liking them because they are good and that positive feeling lingers.

Thank you for a well reasoned post, it is greatly appreciated.

User was temp banned for this post.


You are fucking autistic at this point dude, the answers you give makes me feel like you're a bot.

User was warned for this post
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
January 15 2016 09:46 GMT
#2355
On January 15 2016 08:35 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 01:56 ddayzy wrote:
On January 14 2016 21:01 e1-Heaven[Nr.1] wrote:
I think your starting points are off.


On January 13 2016 06:10 ddayzy wrote:

Because being a fan om someone is the same as idolising them and to idolise someone for something they are mediocre at is completly sensless. I'm a mediocre cook, feel free to idolise me.

I'm not a fan of a particular team, why would you be? There are teams I enjoy watching, usually because they are good and because you can learn something. It's the other position that doesn't make sense, why would you be a fan of a team? What do you get out of that relationship?


On January 13 2016 05:49 ddayzy wrote:
The Allaince fandom goes straight over my head. I will never understand why people cheer for mediocrity. Surely the joy is in watching the game played to it's fullest potential.



First of all, Id argue that being a fan doesnt necesarily incline some sort of personality worship. For me personally, I dont particularly like any one person on Alliance but I do however cheer for the team. Secondly, Id argue that there's more than one type of joy in watching anything, as someone else mentioned, if you have an emotional bond due to whatever reason which can be formed as easily as having a common nationality or just a positive feeling about something. I don't think that there's alot of fans who actually worship every single player on a given team - you might just like individual playstyle or personality and that carries over to the team. To examplify, theres alot of individual athletes with fan followings which are not necessarily based on athletic superiority but rather personality, ethics or whatever other reason.

For me, Ive been a fan since NTH and their innovative lvl 1 rosh and was subsequently very impressed when they in a dota landscape dominated by chinese teams (at least as I remember it) went and won G-1 Champions League Season 5 undefeated through a series of Bo1s with a innovative TP rosh strat.

At that time, i guess by your logic it was reasonable to be a fan since they were the best team in the world but I still get positive feelings from when they won TI3 and I had stayed up all night and they were losing the final game just until the last minute - should i just discard that just cause they havnt done as well in the last few years? I will always root for alliance to some degree just based on that and I would assume that holds true for other people as well.


Fake rosh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAWK5kNDDlM

Lvl 1 rosh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeV_uhbybUU

The dreamcoil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZQx3Op4_oY



If you go by dictionary definition a fan is "someone who ​admires and ​supports a ​person, ​sport, ​sports ​team..". A lesser or greater degree of personality worship is implied in the definition. The main reasons I can find to like something is because it's good or because it's so bad it's fun. You are adding a third here which I would agree with - because it so different it is interesting, in this case refering to playstyles. I would also agree Alliances playstyle is somewhat different even though it is not my cup of tea.

In your last paragraph you are adding yet another reason I agree with and it is a very obvious one so I'm a idiot for not seeing that one sooner - you start out liking them because they are good and that positive feeling lingers.

Thank you for a well reasoned post, it is greatly appreciated.

User was temp banned for this post.


You are fucking autistic at this point dude, the answers you give makes me feel like you're a bot.

User was warned for this post

I can see why you'd be warned for this post, but I honestly have to agree with you to a degree.
The d-day guy has been a class A troll in this thread, deliberately walking into the discussion with the sole intention of stirring up trouble. If this had been any other thread I'd be ok with it, but in a fan thread that's just provocative and unnecessary.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 11:08:38
January 15 2016 10:58 GMT
#2356
I'm an aspie, let's not give everyone autism without having a clue as to what that means.

On topic: fuck Alliance :>
I think esports is pretty nice.
Meiffeltower
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden674 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 13:01:27
January 15 2016 12:19 GMT
#2357
alrite.. hes temp banned .. lets focus on something else now.. thank god..

about starladder.. seems to be heavily delayed.. Alliance vs Secret was scheduled at 14.00 CET but a cs:go bo3 have to be concluded before that and that STARTED at 13:15 CET.. so.. Alliance game probably earliest 15:30 CET..
LEEEEE YOOOUUUUUNG HOOOOOO
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
January 15 2016 13:10 GMT
#2358
Why do they share Stream. Only 1 main stage?
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
January 15 2016 13:33 GMT
#2359
On January 15 2016 22:10 lookfirewood wrote:
Why do they share Stream. Only 1 main stage?


Indeed, i dont mind it as it breaks the routine of watching the tourny (if you like both games) , but the problem is they switch teams/games WAY too slow which is holding everything up , and you should note that EG 2-0 easily and Fnatic are stomping as well and you are still WAY behind , if those games were 3 maps you would be in trouble meeting the dead line.
Meiffeltower
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden674 Posts
January 15 2016 14:23 GMT
#2360
On January 15 2016 22:33 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 22:10 lookfirewood wrote:
Why do they share Stream. Only 1 main stage?


Indeed, i dont mind it as it breaks the routine of watching the tourny (if you like both games) , but the problem is they switch teams/games WAY too slow which is holding everything up , and you should note that EG 2-0 easily and Fnatic are stomping as well and you are still WAY behind , if those games were 3 maps you would be in trouble meeting the dead line.


i think the delay isnt beacuse the time between the gamesis long but rather because the EG game was started super late because they hadnt finished building the stage or something..
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