I hope in a Dong/Helena victory Christmas stream to celebrate now :D! Guys, i'm so happy... such a long wait, but every second of it was worth, and with all the guys back together... what an amazing story, seems a fairy tale.

bluzi

4703 Posts

December 20 2015 13:29 GMT

#2222

Grats , best team in the world no doubt , well played and well deserved , i know they are back because haters are popping out of the woodwork (is that the phrase ?!) infesting the threads and spewing hate , making me smile even more !

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

December 20 2015 13:42 GMT

#2223

wow so much respect

WakaDoDo

Sweden1183 Posts

December 20 2015 13:44 GMT

#2224

On December 20 2015 22:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
wow so much respect

Respect to your team as well for destroying us in the groups lol

zev318

Canada4306 Posts

December 20 2015 14:06 GMT

#2225

alliance is back

wims80

1892 Posts

December 20 2015 18:21 GMT

#2226

GinNtoniC

Sweden2945 Posts

December 20 2015 21:19 GMT

#2227

Can anyone make a .gif ot the final moments after game 5 was won, when the lads gathered in a circle celebrating while S4 was sitting with his head in his hands looking dizzy as hell? :D

Huruid

Sweden22 Posts

December 21 2015 00:00 GMT

#2228

Don't forget! They didn't even make the qualifiers - they had to go through the open qualifiers after (beat CIS-R in the semi and Empire in the finals)!

KlaCkoN

Sweden1661 Posts

December 21 2015 10:09 GMT

#2229

I can't believe this worked out so well. I was very much a doubter after they kicked mynuts butso happy to be proven wrong. Well played Alliance.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

December 22 2015 10:14 GMT

#2230

That 5 out of 10 of Alliance's wins were due to Naga or AM+NP split push does not show well of them imo. I'm happy that they won the tournament, but I'm not impressed by their heavy reliance on one strategy. Such styles are not sustainable and cracks will appear once patches change or when they get figured. Hope to see actual improvement in their overall gameplay from them.

Congratulations though. Definitely a boost to their morale.

Racket

3023 Posts

December 22 2015 11:19 GMT

#2231

On December 22 2015 19:14 DucK- wrote:
That 5 out of 10 of Alliance's wins were due to Naga or AM+NP split push does not show well of them imo. I'm happy that they won the tournament, but I'm not impressed by their heavy reliance on one strategy. Such styles are not sustainable and cracks will appear once patches change or when they get figured. Hope to see actual improvement in their overall gameplay from them.

Congratulations though. Definitely a boost to their morale.

I guess all those who asked for Loda and Akke to retire are in hiding or magically change their minds and shut up.

The thing here is:
- Did they unexpectedly rose their performance due to nothing in particular? Maybe some strangling? (j/k)
- Had the patchs' changes an impact in the meta game that let them use a different pool of heroes and strategies they are better at?
- Will this keep up? Will they fall once again? Will other teams rise to their level or even higher and make them look bad again?

Only time will tell. I hope they can keep delivering.

Jotoco

Brazil1342 Posts

December 22 2015 12:17 GMT

#2232

The thing is, with the new patch, teams are having to ban S4 AND Bulldog heroes, as well as staples like Io. So there will always be room left to pick of the favorite heroes.

It is impossible to ban Naga, Furion, Batrider, Io, all at the same time. The strategy can be sustainable.

not that they only used split push, the bristleback + kotl, for example, played very nice.

spudde123

4814 Posts

December 22 2015 13:29 GMT

#2233

When thinking about what to expect from Alliance in the future one has to keep in mind who they beat at WCA. In the groups they beat MVP, tied against DC and lost against TL. Then they beat CDEC, Wings and LGD. Wings was sort of the surprise of the event in the groups but was soundly beaten in the end by Alliance and TL, LGD has been quite underwhelming ever since TI (though they did beat Empire and TL here) and CDEC has also been steadily behind the best teams in the world.

Imo based on their online play before the Frankfurt major I would have expected them to be capable of similar wins even at Frankfurt. For whatever reason at that time they crumbled on LAN, but in general I don't think Alliance being capable to take wins over those teams is a big surprise. Of course a tournament win is a big confidence boost and one can hardly blame Alliance for Secret struggling and bombing out in groups (beating an on form Secret would have made the run more impressive given previous tournament results). But I'm curious where they fit in once they face VG, EHOME and all the western teams that were at the Summit but not at WCA, and also when teams become a bit more used to the patch.

The win is great for them, but looking at the teams they faced it's also hardly something that seemed out of the realm of possibility when you look at their results before Frankfurt.(trading games with OG, VP, beating TL in the Frankfurt quals, etc.)

lookfirewood

1212 Posts

December 22 2015 16:47 GMT

#2234

On December 22 2015 22:29 spudde123 wrote:
When thinking about what to expect from Alliance in the future one has to keep in mind who they beat at WCA. In the groups they beat MVP, tied against DC and lost against TL. Then they beat CDEC, Wings and LGD. Wings was sort of the surprise of the event in the groups but was soundly beaten in the end by Alliance and TL, LGD has been quite underwhelming ever since TI (though they did beat Empire and TL here) and CDEC has also been steadily behind the best teams in the world.

Imo based on their online play before the Frankfurt major I would have expected them to be capable of similar wins even at Frankfurt. For whatever reason at that time they crumbled on LAN, but in general I don't think Alliance being capable to take wins over those teams is a big surprise. Of course a tournament win is a big confidence boost and one can hardly blame Alliance for Secret struggling and bombing out in groups (beating an on form Secret would have made the run more impressive given previous tournament results). But I'm curious where they fit in once they face VG, EHOME and all the western teams that were at the Summit but not at WCA, and also when teams become a bit more used to the patch.

The win is great for them, but looking at the teams they faced it's also hardly something that seemed out of the realm of possibility when you look at their results before Frankfurt.(trading games with OG, VP, beating TL in the Frankfurt quals, etc.)

It's just that the game is pretty volatile and hard to predict. At the moment it feels like anyone's game, and on a good day, top teams are a huge leap ahead. But on a bad day they are equally behind. This was not the case before the patch. Minor patches rarely has this impact, but major ones often do, haven't seen one as volatile as 6.86 in a while tho.

Alot of teams are considered top teams at the moment, and the difference between them in rank is pretty flat. Ofc some rise above the others, but in general it's alot more even than in TI or Frankfurt major. Making alliances run hard to measure. Making most top teams hard to measure.

rabidch

United States20289 Posts

December 22 2015 22:32 GMT

#2235

its too early to judge whats going to happen in the future as the patch hit right before the event began. however, i think alliance's heroes can be strong this patch