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AbareKiller
Profile Joined May 2014
456 Posts
August 03 2017 13:40 GMT
#1401
The pos 5 DPS lich thing reeks of Manila's pos 5 batrider and support tinker. I'm sure it worked in scrims otherwise they wouldn't be first picking it, but it still seems iffy as fuck
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
August 03 2017 13:49 GMT
#1402
On August 03 2017 22:14 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Against OG they looked ok. Game one they got outdrafted and played ok but not good enough. Game two the draft was fine (though I still don't know about Jugg again), and they played mostly fine, but got a little outplayed. Besides the obvious lack of detection, Fata has not looked at his best.

Against NB they had two unwinnable drafts and played like it.

Bad start but I'm not too worried. Upper bracket is possible, and I can't see them getting eliminated.


Pretty sure Hellraiser will do the good ol' MUFC, so no way in hell will C9 get eliminated
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 03 2017 14:03 GMT
#1403
Incidentally, I was one of about six people with the old MUFC flair because there was no Kaipi flair at the time.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44119 Posts
August 03 2017 14:28 GMT
#1404
please cloud9 don't be cloud9 today
this is a quote
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
August 03 2017 20:08 GMT
#1405
One of the things I noticed in all their drafts yesterday was that they had absolutely no pushing power to kill buildings after winning team fights. Every time in the early and mid game, they would win team fights and then take absolutely no objectives, essentially making their team fight win worthless.
Envy fan since NTH.
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
August 03 2017 22:54 GMT
#1406
Hey they got 1 win vs VP so step one complete. Now to give LFy their first losses of the group!
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44119 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-04 00:53:04
August 04 2017 00:52 GMT
#1407
On August 04 2017 07:54 the bear jew wrote:
Hey they got 1 win vs VP so step one complete. Now to give LFy their first losses of the group!

Totally expecting them to go 0-8 before winning a match against execration or somebody not good from the group but hey they won 1 match against VP

just gonna get 1-7 after all
this is a quote
Exoteric
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2330 Posts
August 04 2017 02:35 GMT
#1408
looks like it's a blessing in disguise that i end up sleeping through most of these group stage games
hell is other people
broodbucket
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia963 Posts
August 04 2017 05:12 GMT
#1409
whats happening lads

why are we getting bopped
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 04 2017 05:59 GMT
#1410
Fata's choking at TI as usual
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-04 07:36:37
August 04 2017 07:30 GMT
#1411
I didn't see all the games live but my impression from the games I've seen is that somehow the way they rotate to pressure is off. If I recall correctly at least g2 against OG and g2 against LFY were such that they had good lanes and all went well, but then they simply lost the lead by trying to pressure towers themselves. They had taken their safelane tower, and EE rotated somewhere else to pressure, but it just ends up being a waste of time and the enemy team catches up. Sometimes it felt like they should just play it slower rather than force the issue, but of course it doesn't need to be that big of a difference in timing for a move to work. Somewhat unsurprisingly the game they won was a Drow+Dusa strat. With such a lineup it's a bit easier to know what to do at each stage of the game imo.

They've also played against the top4 teams in the group, but they certainly didn't look that great in most of their losses. Some of their drafts have been weak. At least g1 against Newbee seemed pretty unwinnable. Against OG at least they had good early game heroes and they could play the game later even if their teamfight was weaker, but their other losses seem pretty miserable because they haven't really been able to do much. Unfortunately upper bracket is probably out of reach even if they won all the remaining games, but hopefully they can get some solid wins over the bottom half teams and find their groove in time for the playoffs.
Aznupdown
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada318 Posts
August 04 2017 13:29 GMT
#1412
C9 always seem to choke against Chinese teams. So far the games I've watched Fata has been choking hard and like spudde123 mentions, the rotation is off. EE should just play the hard farming core hes used to and pressure less. His farming seems to drop off as he tries to gank and move to other lanes.
I said hiii
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
August 04 2017 15:53 GMT
#1413
Fata and TI is a bad combination. Every single TI that he has played, he has choked. EE is not doing particularly hot either this time around. I think he should go back to 4p1 and try to take pressure off of Fata to carry games and put him on spacemakers instead.
Envy fan since NTH.
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
August 04 2017 18:09 GMT
#1414
I thought Cloud9 didn't lose because of chokes or bad players. They only lose because EE sama didn't get enough energy.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-04 18:13:45
August 04 2017 18:13 GMT
#1415
wrong thread
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
August 05 2017 00:50 GMT
#1416
I remember watching C9 at the 2015 international, I swear they weren't this bad.
@miicah88
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
August 05 2017 01:05 GMT
#1417
I bet all the boys have girlfriends now. No commitment.
High Risk Low Reward
Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
August 05 2017 01:12 GMT
#1418
Puppey was right about EE being the reason of why his teams keep getting bad placements in TIs.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
August 05 2017 02:54 GMT
#1419
On August 05 2017 10:12 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Puppey was right about EE being the reason of why his teams keep getting bad placements in TIs.


When did he say this?
Something witty
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
August 05 2017 03:18 GMT
#1420
don't worry guys, they can still lose 0-2 against HR tomorrow. the dream is still alive!
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