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Shanghai Previews - Evil Geniuses

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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-03 00:27:54
February 22 2016 14:52 GMT
#1
IntroductionGameplayPlayersHow to Beat

EvilGeniuses

Evil Geniuses come into the Shanghai Major as the reigning TI champions. More than that, they come in as the victors of what could be called the first major in all but name, and clearly the predecessor to this Shanghai Major: the Dota Asia Championships 2015. Even though EG are on a distinct cold streak, having won only one LAN tournament since TI5, they have a lot going for them at the Shanghai Major.

One of the perks of winning an International is the ability to decline tournaments without starving. EG has long been a team that is selective about its appearances; since TI5 they’ve participated in just 7 tournaments. While that’s not an irrelevant amount, it’s a far cry from what some less successful teams have to subject themselves to in order to make ends meet. Although 3rd place at the Frankfurt Major was a disappointment, since then, EG have managed to win The Summit 4 and have come in second place at two significant international LANs. A string of performances like that leaves little question about their form leading into this Major.

Gameplay

EG is a team loaded with brilliant talents. While players like Universe and Fear are among the most experienced and reliable around, they pale beside the raw talent and potential of Sumail and Arteezy. Capable of matching any Dota team ever assembled on the grounds of raw skill, what makes EG truly great is their ability to play under the brilliant captaincy of ppd. EG find the most success when they can dictate the pace of the game, taking objectives and proactively choosing their fights. Even in games where they are disadvantaged, EG often manage to stay in control through nuanced map movements and careful coordination.

With this emphasis on control, EG rely on their offlaner Universe to keep their tempo up. On a wide variety of heroes, from Faceless Void to Tidehunter to Nature’s Prophet, he is the active force on the map that opens up space for his other cores. Backing him up is Sumail, whose stable of heroes has recently expanded to yet more aggressive options such as Batrider and Zeus. EG abuse Sumail’s explosive playmaking potential on these heroes to dominate the game and keep their enemies off balance. While Arteezy is rarely too far from the action, it remains his role to secure the late game. EG have come a long way from the days when “whendidegthrowlast.com” required constant updating, and they end games in a very deliberate manner. For a team that attempts to seize control so aggressively, they show remarkable restraint going high-ground.

EG are also known as slow starters in tournaments. ppd’s unerring ability to adapt to the meta of a tournament usually requires a few games to get going. EG also have historically had difficulty taking non-elimination games seriously, regardless of the stage. Once their back is to the wall, however, all bets are off.

PlayerK/D/ATeam GoldMost Played
Arteezy6.4/3.9/8.028%
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Sumail7.0/4.5/9.024%
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Universe3.8/3.0/9.220%
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Fear3.1/4.1/10.815%
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PPD2.3/5.3/8.613%
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Arteezy is the newest addition to this EG roster, replacing Aui_2000 in the weeks following EG’s TI5 victory. At the time, some called him the LeBron James of Dota, a comparison that makes it clear how much of a star he is. Not only is he brilliant mechanically, his personality has attracted thousands upon thousands of fans. Despite his widespread acclaim and insane popularity, Arteezy lacks the TI victory that the rest of his team shares; the Shanghai Major gives him a chance to, if not fix that, then mitigate it.
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When Sumail was picked up by Evil Geniuses shortly before the Dota Asia Championships a year ago, few had even heard of him. Winning that tournament (and later TI5) in spectacular fashion catapulted his name into the discussion for “best mid player” faster than any player before. More aggressive than many of the farm-oriented mid players of that patch, Sumail is always on the hunt. What sets him apart is his ability to exert that aggression while maintaining top-tier farm. While he has had to adjust his hero pool in recent months, EG’s results have proved that he is more than up to the task. Controversy over some comments that he made regarding China is marring his return to the grounds where he launched his career so explosively a year ago. Can his gameplay do the talking once again?
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While many think of Fear as the old man of the EG team, Universe has been playing competitive Dota 2 just as long. One of the elite cadre to attend every TI (although one only as a coach/sub), Universe works his magic in the offlane with little help. Despite being the star of the famous 6 Million Dollar Echo Slam, Universe isn’t known for his flashy plays but instead for stability. While he was often described as “underrated” in the past, these days, nobody is sleeping on Universe. EG will be relying on him to perform in Shanghai as he has so many times in the past.
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Fear has been a member of EG Dota since the very inception of the team shortly after TI1, and has been the face of the franchise ever since. Other players may have more fans or make flashier plays, but the length of Fear’s career speaks for itself. Up until the addition of Arteezy, Fear played the carry role, but now he brings his flexibility and endless hero pool to the four-position support role. The transition wasn’t entirely painless, but Fear seems to have finally settled in and EG’s results show it. While you’ll often see the rest of the team on a short list of “the best” heroes that they are comfortable on, Fear regularly plays 10 different heroes in 15 games.
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ppd is the brains behind the EG team, no doubt. History has shown that success on the biggest stage is dependant more on brilliant leadership and cohesion than it is on individual play. Every TI championship is attributable to a legendary captain: Puppey, Faith, s4, xiao8 and ppd. While you could argue that Faith might not be on quite the same level as the others, few would dispute the fact that the other 4 are among the greatest captains the game has known. They were surrounded by talented players, no doubt, but many other teams had the talent as well. As such, ppd represents the critical element that distinguishes EG from their competition. Some describe his play as lackluster, but that isn’t even fair criticism. His style of absolute sacrifice requires unbelievable skill to contribute so much with so little, and ppd pulls it off better than anyone.

How to beat - eg

EG make a strong case for being the best team on earth, but every team is beatable. One of EG’s greatest strengths- ppd’s ability to read deeper into a tournament’s meta than any other captain- can be turned against them in the right situations. And while attempting to defeat EG in a pure contest of skill is generally futile, their up-tempo style can be exploited. Mostly, one must rely upon EG to make mistakes. This is always a risky strategy, but it can certainly pay off.

ppd’s ability to read each tournament’s unique meta as it develops is astounding. His understanding leads to many drafting choices that look strange to the casual observer, but almost always turn out brilliantly. However, sometimes he goes too deep and loses sight of some basic tenets. The clearest example of this is the Upper Bracket Finals of TI5 against CDEC where apparent frustration at losing game 1 brought about potentially the biggest outdraft of the tournament. Giving CDEC their favoured Bounty Hunter support with the intention of warping his draft entirely to counter it backfired spectacularly when CDEC opted for the more old-school offlane BH and EG lost in barely 20 minutes. While ppd is a savvy captain and tough to outfox, things like this as well as a few surprise tools like Huskar and Broodmother have the potential to steal games.

Stylistically, EG is best countered with a specific gameplan. First, one cannot afford to lose the laning stage against EG. A draw, or even a careful trade can work, but allowing EG to run away with the lanes is a recipe for disaster. If the midgame arrives safely, the next goal must be to take control away from EG. The easiest way to do this is to spread the map and deny EG the ability to choose their fights. This does not guarantee victory, but it opens up an avenue to a successful lategame if inevitability is not on EG’s side. If this sounds difficult, it’s because it is, and very few teams succeed at vanquishing EG without some luck on their side. EG especially seem to be vulnerable to Lone Druid, with a depressing record against the hero in their recent finals losses to both Alliance and EHOME. This makes sense, of course, as Lone Druid is a very strong split pusher and laner. That said, it would be strange to see ppd come into a tournament as large as the Shanghai Major with neither a strategy to defeat the hero nor a willingness to ban it.

Lastly, EG have been known to cave to extreme early aggression in the past. While that kind of play is always risky and can backfire (as was the case with Sumail’s legendary Storm Spirit performance at DAC), EG don’t always respond that well. Even though nobody likes to take such a risk in an important tournament like the Shanghai Major, a small chance is better than none at all.

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Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
February 22 2016 14:57 GMT
#2
Even though EG are on a distinct cold streak, having won only one tournament since TI5

False
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
February 22 2016 14:58 GMT
#3
Yes I know the pictures are great :D Boyband-Arteezy, Mugshot-Fear, and just... Boyscout-PPD
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-22 15:01:14
February 22 2016 14:59 GMT
#4
On February 22 2016 23:57 Dysisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
Even though EG are on a distinct cold streak, having won only one tournament since TI5

False

Huh, what did we miss? 2nd at SL/iLeague, 2nd at MDL, won the summit, 3rd in frankfurt?

Edit: Guess you mean CD 3.0. I don't really think it should count, but I'll update the text to reflect this better
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Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
February 22 2016 15:09 GMT
#5
I don't agree with Sumail's recap, I feel like EG did good since TI5 in spite of a declining Sumail. He has not find his way in the meta imo. I must say I didnt see anything from CD 3 (I don't know if he did better or not) but I'm not sure it invalidates this anyway considering the format.
Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
February 22 2016 15:11 GMT
#6
On February 22 2016 23:59 Julmust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 23:57 Dysisa wrote:
Even though EG are on a distinct cold streak, having won only one tournament since TI5

False

Huh, what did we miss? 2nd at SL/iLeague, 2nd at MDL, won the summit, 3rd in frankfurt?

Edit: Guess you mean CD 3.0. I don't really think it should count, but I'll update the text to reflect this better

Yeah, I meant CD 3.0. You can argue the legitimacy of the tournament, but to discount it entirely I think is very unfair. A win is still a win at the end of the day. It would be like discounting the WCA win from Alliance, the way I see it.
fuck dota 2 | "i don't like ppd, and i really look forward to one day beating that motherfucker" -Swindlemelonzz, my personal hero
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6591 Posts
February 22 2016 15:18 GMT
#7
I'm pretty sure this was written before the finals were played in the CD tournament so it wasn't really ignored it just wasn't finished at the time and ended before this went out
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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-22 15:59:19
February 22 2016 15:58 GMT
#8
I cannot read the article
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but reading the article-preview on the main page i am a bit confused
even ignoring CD, how is finishing 2nd 2nd 3rd in 3 important tournaments anything else but ultra impressive and consistent? eg are the absolute favorites coming into this and definitely not on a "cold streak".
objectively they are one of the very few, if not the only, team that has been consistent through the last patches, independent from currently favoured heros.
and im not even an eg fanboy lol
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lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
February 22 2016 16:09 GMT
#9
not really in relation to the article but more on the captains, isnt it that zhou captained ig during ti2?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-22 16:37:14
February 22 2016 16:37 GMT
#10
On February 22 2016 23:59 Julmust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 23:57 Dysisa wrote:
Even though EG are on a distinct cold streak, having won only one tournament since TI5

False

Huh, what did we miss? 2nd at SL/iLeague, 2nd at MDL, won the summit, 3rd in frankfurt?

Edit: Guess you mean CD 3.0. I don't really think it should count, but I'll update the text to reflect this better


I personally just don't see the argument for how they are on a cold streak. Only EHOME has matched consistency that EG has had post TI5. You could maybe make the argument that they aren't on a hot streak, but definitely not a cold streak. A cold streak would be team Secrekt.
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
February 22 2016 16:40 GMT
#11
:D thanks for this read was great.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
February 22 2016 16:56 GMT
#12
I would disagree slightly on the "how to beat" section. EG's biggest weakness is that their team cohesion is extraordinarily poor compared to other teams near their level of play. They win teamfights by having no more than two or three of their heroes coordinate together at a time, and rely primarily on the individual skill of their cores to pull out wins. When they face up against the other team in a 5 on 5 where they can't split things up into manageable groups, they tend to lose fights very badly. Teams with higher team cohesion, such as CDEC, Alliance, and VP, tend to be able to beat EG when they force out chaotic teamfights that they can perform better in. EG was able to beat the first and the last of these primarily by banning out the heroes that allowed them to create that type of teamfight, while they haven't yet figured out how to stop Alliance from doing the same.
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Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-22 17:13:10
February 22 2016 17:08 GMT
#13
How is EG on a cold streak when they have top 3'd in 7 of the 8 tournaments they attended since TI.

No other team can say that.

On February 23 2016 01:56 Acritter wrote:
I would disagree slightly on the "how to beat" section. EG's biggest weakness is that their team cohesion is extraordinarily poor compared to other teams near their level of play. They win teamfights by having no more than two or three of their heroes coordinate together at a time, and rely primarily on the individual skill of their cores to pull out wins. When they face up against the other team in a 5 on 5 where they can't split things up into manageable groups, they tend to lose fights very badly. Teams with higher team cohesion, such as CDEC, Alliance, and VP, tend to be able to beat EG when they force out chaotic teamfights that they can perform better in. EG was able to beat the first and the last of these primarily by banning out the heroes that allowed them to create that type of teamfight, while they haven't yet figured out how to stop Alliance from doing the same.


I simply disagree, I think EG has some of the best team fighting skills of anyone. When you look at how they come back from impossible odds, or all their insane high ground defenses, it is on the back of exceptional team fighting.

What you described can be attributed to all top tier teams.
SwallowTheSun
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada53 Posts
February 22 2016 17:13 GMT
#14
PPD is a smart cookie indeed but he has said himself he is just one of the most effective communicator/facillitators out there. EG as a team has insane game knowledge and experience and they draft as a team. Each player is integral to their successful drafting imo.
Anyways, hoping for a great showing from the boys in blue!
Go EG!
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10653 Posts
February 22 2016 17:13 GMT
#15
How to beat EG 101: Beat them game 1, hope they tilt.
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2521 Posts
February 22 2016 17:19 GMT
#16
Hi Universe is the best player in the world THE UNIVERSE doesn't pale next to anything ok thanks just wanted to let you know.

PS he's the best
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
February 22 2016 17:35 GMT
#17
On February 23 2016 02:08 Gaial wrote:
How is EG on a cold streak when they have top 3'd in 7 of the 8 tournaments they attended since TI.

No other team can say that.


For me it's about expectations. It's like when VG were really hot, or Secret. You simply expected them to win everything. Anything but first place was a disappointment! I don't know if that's what Sn0 wanted to say, but that's what I feel like
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LionheartDOTE
Profile Joined July 2014
United States3 Posts
February 22 2016 17:45 GMT
#18
How many Grand Finals has EG played in since TI? Excluding the Frankfurt Major, I believe you could make the case that they are on a hot streak since TI. Who else has that sort of success with a major roster change, and a big meta change following a TI victory?

I think for them to be on a cold streak they would have to have a very poor placing in 2+ tournaments.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2016 18:03 GMT
#19
On February 23 2016 02:35 Julmust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2016 02:08 Gaial wrote:
How is EG on a cold streak when they have top 3'd in 7 of the 8 tournaments they attended since TI.

No other team can say that.


For me it's about expectations. It's like when VG were really hot, or Secret. You simply expected them to win everything. Anything but first place was a disappointment! I don't know if that's what Sn0 wanted to say, but that's what I feel like

I feel the expectation that they would win everything is up for debate and many readers have good arguments why they find that to be unreasonable.

Personally, I see dota as more competitive than it has ever been and any team that makes the top 4 of a major could take it all. Also with the number of events going on, teams get tired, have jet lag and all the other things that cause a team to have an off weekend. Expecting everyone to be on their A game for months straight is setting your expectations to high.
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-22 18:09:30
February 22 2016 18:08 GMT
#20
On February 23 2016 02:35 Julmust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2016 02:08 Gaial wrote:
How is EG on a cold streak when they have top 3'd in 7 of the 8 tournaments they attended since TI.

No other team can say that.


For me it's about expectations. It's like when VG were really hot, or Secret. You simply expected them to win everything. Anything but first place was a disappointment! I don't know if that's what Sn0 wanted to say, but that's what I feel like


After TI when the lineup was formed there were some people suggesting that noone can touch EG, I guess compared to such expectations they have not lived up to them and are on a cold streak. But if being on the podium close to every event and winning one every once in a while means being on a cold streak, then EG has been on a cold streak ever since PPD etc. joined, which sounds a bit funny given that they've been the most successful team in the west.
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