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saocyn
United States937 Posts
This way you can make points that you deem valid while accounting for the fact it may not account for the whole picture or writer isn't as credible / noteworthy. | ||
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kblueriver
Argentina430 Posts
Non-related: "Every TI championship is attributable to a legendary captain: Puppey, Faith, s4, xiao8 and ppd" Somewhere I read it was ArtStyle who captained TI1 Na'Vi. Can anyone shed some light on this please? Ty | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
It's a good article, it just doesn't seem that way because we are picking apart 1 sentence you wrote, but the rest of it is very nice. Keep it up | ||
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bumwithagun
United States153 Posts
2. If there have been any shaky spots with EG its been coordinating early game rotations and sumail's hero pool. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On February 23 2016 05:36 bumwithagun wrote: 1. Eg has been the most consistent western team post TI5. How is a string of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places a cold streak in this day and age? 2. If there have been any shaky spots with EG its been coordinating early game rotations and sumail's hero pool. What mid are you comparing him to for #2? He has one of the largest hero pools I know of for a mid. That's after they stopped picking him some mids and give them to RTZ for farm priority too. Ignoring the mid position, he's one of the few mids that gets thrown to offlane/safelane on the regular with offlane or tempo heroes. He's become extremely flexible for PPD's drafting. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On February 23 2016 03:46 saocyn wrote: For the sake of credibility, I kind of cringe at the fact a writer on staff has the foresight and knowledge on how to "beat" another team. This is going to give you guys flack when you write something that most do not agree with. (This is not an attack on the article writer btw, just some input) I think you would be better off renaming "How To Beat (Said Team)" to A few key points in winning vs (Team) This way you can make points that you deem valid while accounting for the fact it may not account for the whole picture or writer isn't as credible / noteworthy. i think you meant to say you cringe at the "idea" in the first sentence, not the fact. after all your suggestion is based on the idea that they do not, in fact, know how to beat a team | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Every TI championship is attributable to a legendary captain: Puppey, Faith, s4, xiao8 and ppd. Wasn't Navi in TI1 more Artstyle than Puppey? | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6225 Posts
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elagrion
Ukraine422 Posts
Artstyle was the captain of TI1 Na'Vi, cmon, writers are supposed to know that their stuff, right? Puppey became legendary captain later (pre-TI2 and TI2). | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
I can recall offhand Fear playing carry, mid, 4, and 5 if we're talking about every EG iteration before now. I don't think he's played offlane (actual foflane, not just playing in the lane) but I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On February 23 2016 01:56 Acritter wrote: I would disagree slightly on the "how to beat" section. EG's biggest weakness is that their team cohesion is extraordinarily poor compared to other teams near their level of play. They win teamfights by having no more than two or three of their heroes coordinate together at a time, and rely primarily on the individual skill of their cores to pull out wins. When they face up against the other team in a 5 on 5 where they can't split things up into manageable groups, they tend to lose fights very badly. Teams with higher team cohesion, such as CDEC, Alliance, and VP, tend to be able to beat EG when they force out chaotic teamfights that they can perform better in. EG was able to beat the first and the last of these primarily by banning out the heroes that allowed them to create that type of teamfight, while they haven't yet figured out how to stop Alliance from doing the same. This is the reason teams seem to "feed wins" to EG. EG are monsters in 2-3 Man pairings. But it doesn't matter what pairing. (And any of their 1 through 4 can win a lane solo.) But if you can get them grouped up as a hard 5 man, you've got a better chance. Though the best "trick" is to get ppd into putting Sumail on an initiator then dragging it late-game. All mids have looked pretty wonky at the last two major LANs because of the current state of the mid matchup, and while Sumail can play initiator heroes just fine, they haven't been generally able to put Universe on the right hero to compliment it. They end up with too little damage if they get to late-game. The other thing is to throw EG something really screwy in the drafting phase or hope they make a mistake. Old Chicken's drafting approach at the MDL final was to decide what to do after the first picks were made, then try to hide the approach as long as possible. (And it helped that ppd gave him Earth Spirit, at MDL. Yeah. They almost won that game though.) With the current state of EG, you have to bring everything to the table and play at the ragged edge to beat them during Elimination time. As we've seen, that ain't easy. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
They are very tough to lock down, as they have 4 players that are good at farming/getting farm, and be significant. I have seen many matches where they make ton of mistakes, and yet come out on top, because other teams aren't as effective to capitalize on these mistakes, and give them a finger, you hand them the hand. Not sure why PPD is regarded so highly. His pos 6 approach, albeit probably needed with this greedy team, makes him irrelevant more often than not. He picks healers for himself, but often he is dying on end, because he has nothing, as opposed to other supports. Without the team to carry him, and Fear to share the responsibilty, his impact is minimal. His drafting ranges from off, to excellent. To me the only hero he does very well, is Winter Wyvern, which he has learned from watching CIS dota. He can't play micro-intensive heroes, and that is a weak point. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On February 23 2016 06:13 lolnoty wrote: Sumail comes to his right with mobile heroes. When not, he does well, but is not as significant, and it is more Universe that is the player they utilize, than Sumail.What mid are you comparing him to for #2? He has one of the largest hero pools I know of for a mid. That's after they stopped picking him some mids and give them to RTZ for farm priority too. Ignoring the mid position, he's one of the few mids that gets thrown to offlane/safelane on the regular with offlane or tempo heroes. He's become extremely flexible for PPD's drafting. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Very much a team you want to bet against when people think they'll dominate, and bet for when people think they're slipping. | ||
Fleetfeet
Canada2521 Posts
On February 23 2016 03:46 saocyn wrote: For the sake of credibility, I kind of cringe at the fact a writer on staff has the foresight and knowledge on how to "beat" another team. This is going to give you guys flack when you write something that most do not agree with. (This is not an attack on the article writer btw, just some input) I think you would be better off renaming "How To Beat (Said Team)" to A few key points in winning vs (Team) This way you can make points that you deem valid while accounting for the fact it may not account for the whole picture or writer isn't as credible / noteworthy. I feel strongly as though these segments are included as points of interest, and not literally advice on how one should go about beating this team. It's more like a "Hey, when you're watching games against EG, pay attention to how the game goes if their strategy is undermined!" than something Sn0 is hoping pro teams read. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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scorpkx
Australia19 Posts
On February 23 2016 10:10 Dracolich70 wrote: They don't know how to split push, when up against the masters of it; OG and [A]. Think their strongest suit other than high skilled players is they don't really have a defined style, and PPD just copies his way through the tournament as the team back against the wall does 2-1s, in games that can easily go either way, until he has found their(teams/strategies) weakness. They have incredible resiliance, and tough to beat. Think the best way to beat them is rolling over them in 18-22 mins. They are very tough to lock down, as they have 4 players that are good at farming/getting farm, and be significant. I have seen many matches where they make ton of mistakes, and yet come out on top, because other teams aren't as effective to capitalize on these mistakes, and give them a finger, you hand them the hand. Not sure why PPD is regarded so highly. His pos 6 approach, albeit probably needed with this greedy team, makes him irrelevant more often than not. He picks healers for himself, but often he is dying on end, because he has nothing, as opposed to other supports. Without the team to carry him, and Fear to share the responsibilty, his impact is minimal. His drafting ranges from off, to excellent. To me the only hero he does very well, is Winter Wyvern, which he has learned from watching CIS dota. He can't play micro-intensive heroes, and that is a weak point. i disagree with the ppd part. ppd averages 1-2 more deaths per game than the cores on his team (who average about 3-5 deaths per game collectively) while playing his typical position 6 (aka position 10) role which is very impressive since most support players with as low NW as ppd tend to be liabilities more often then not. i don't think it makes him irrelevant, his heroes are usually very defensive in nature, scale well into the later stages of the game and tend to require exp and levels more so than gold. ppd has some of the best positioning and warding i have seen from a support player and often itemises perfectly given the little farm he accumulates. chen is the only micro hero he doesn't play well i would say (but chen is not a very good hero when played as a hard 5), his enchantress and beastmaster as actually quite good even if he hasn't played them recently. ppd is by no means the best support player in terms of skill but he is definitely solid enough in his performances to support the cores on his team. his WW was spectacular, definitely, but he has had incredible performances on heroes like CM, treant, shaker and particularly lion (who he made look OP during DAC last year). | ||
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