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Acritter
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_Tengu
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Acritter
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Well, I'm happy for VG, especially given that they don't seem to be doing the same dumb push strat every game. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
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On September 05 2014 12:52 Acritter wrote: Wow. No kidding. Well, I'm happy for VG, especially given that they don't seem to be doing the same dumb push strat every game. They did it last game. whoops better add something else so this doesn't look like a LR post all clockwerk cosmetics are inferior to the base model. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
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Jinxed
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Right now though being aggressive is just much stronger. You win a fight and can take rax off it. You lose one and it doesn't matter as much because you're the one pushing anyways. That seems to be the theory at least. | ||
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Kupon3ss
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just look at the VG Newbee finals for examples of this | ||
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Acritter
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On September 05 2014 13:46 LeLoup wrote: They also have a lot of the same weaknesses, but right now they are so strong that a lot of teams are just running similar strata against it and thus you end up with these early wins and losses. Rat got nerfed really hard after all so that isn't so surprising. Right now though being aggressive is just much stronger. You win a fight and can take rax off it. You lose one and it doesn't matter as much because you're the one pushing anyways. That seems to be the theory at least. The other pieces of the puzzle are: 1. Nobody can stop you from building Mek on a core early, except by beating you so hard during laning that you're going to lose no matter what strategy you're running. 2. With Mek, T1 towers fall so fast to even a slight amount of push that you can take all 3 and get a huge amount of net worth on all heroes, while your opponents can't use their time as efficiently. 3. With that gold contributing to your next item on each hero, you can take T2s and establish full map dominance before winning the game. And then the counter to that is a really strong 5-man fight lineup with some solid pickoff mixed in that lets you group up and counter any push in double time or take out individual members if they try to do anything cheeky like not group as 5. | ||
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Acritter
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On September 05 2014 13:49 Kupon3ss wrote: Lineups like those generally have tipping points where once you lose a fight, you're too weak to win any more fights just look at the VG Newbee finals for examples of this Those were also significantly about laning stages, though. Roaming supports do badly early? Well now you're down a pair of Arcanes and lack four or so skill points. Good luck trying to push. | ||
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goody153
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On September 05 2014 13:46 LeLoup wrote: They also have a lot of the same weaknesses, but right now they are so strong that a lot of teams are just running similar strata against it and thus you end up with these early wins and losses. Rat got nerfed really hard after all so that isn't so surprising. Right now though being aggressive is just much stronger. You win a fight and can take rax off it. You lose one and it doesn't matter as much because you're the one pushing anyways. That seems to be the theory at least. good news is even heavily nerfed naga radiance still works so at least we get a rat option.. assuming that team survives the first 20 minutes | ||
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Acritter
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Jinxed
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goody153
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On September 05 2014 14:01 Acritter wrote: Core Naga is like the nuclear option of rat doto. She's not like a Prophet or Antimage or even a Tinker or Lycan. Once she comes online, the other team isn't going to see the other side of the river for the rest of the game without an extremely difficult pickoff or an all-or-nothing push. I have not been playing naga correctly then damn it ! She even my most played hero T_T Seriously though my naga still needs a loooooooooooottt work. I can't make my radiance come faster than 18 minutes after the nerf. I kept practicing i just can't. And i always use song in the wrong moments. On September 05 2014 14:06 LeLoup wrote: Honestly as far as rat goes right now the best hero is meepo by leaps and bounds. This is a hero that when played correctly can singlehandedly pressure the other two lanes and still have the presence to get back and go 5v5. He really is one of the best heroes of the patch, but Void is really good against him and he takes a lot of work to use properly. Yah you can actually do it and it's not that difficult to do, you keep one meepo along with your support/space creator or wherever your team and just stay behind the team(this is assuming you get a blink dagger) is and all the other meepo goes to one lane and just always keep an eye on the minimap and keep a analyzing where the enemy team is likely to be when they are missing. I learned this watching notails stream once. Where he only has two control group. First is the main meepo with the dagger that is tagging along with the team and all the other meepos are on the other control group. Just queue attack. Then keep your attention on the main meepo. I still like naga when in ratdota though. | ||
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Acritter
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On September 05 2014 14:06 LeLoup wrote: Honestly as far as rat goes right now the best hero is meepo by leaps and bounds. This is a hero that when played correctly can singlehandedly pressure the other two lanes and still have the presence to get back and go 5v5. He really is one of the best heroes of the patch, but Void is really good against him and he takes a lot of work to use properly. That's more because Meepo is the best hero at everything right now. His only weaknesses are a shit early game and Faceless Fucking Void. I need to get a keyboard that doesn't resist my every movement so I can actually do the poof chains. | ||
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icystorage
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Acritter
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I would say "evade" but we all know that doesn't work in Chrono. | ||
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goody153
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On September 05 2014 14:20 icystorage wrote: there's a setting in dota that you can enable. I think it was universal skill command? or something. I havent tried it but I believe it will allow you using the same skill simultaenously on similar heroes (i.e. meepo clones). there is ? my hand get strained the longer i keep tab poofing every game. On September 05 2014 14:18 Acritter wrote: That's more because Meepo is the best hero at everything right now. His only weaknesses are a shit early game and Faceless Fucking Void. I need to get a keyboard that doesn't resist my every movement so I can actually do the poof chains. Meepo is OP. Good thing few can use him properly. He is also despite the popular belief of thinking he is weak early game. He is super strong once he gets level 4. You can even kill heroes like viper easily in lanes. Sometimes two heroes in a lane. Guaranteed the enemy in that lane are stupid | ||
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Comeh
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