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EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
August 16 2011 09:59 GMT
#81
Blizzard now can't do anything about it. They only have themselves to blame for not hiring IceFrog already in 2007. By that time it was very obvious that DotA has grown huge.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 16 2011 10:00 GMT
#82
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ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
August 16 2011 10:01 GMT
#83
I really don't see the point of making Dota2. I mean, HoN is there with everything better than Dota, so why would they make Dota 2. Judging by the limited screens and footage of this game it looks like LoL 1.5 so far, which is quite bad in itself. When I first learned about it I really hope they would make it into an awesome game, but the more stuff is released the less hyped I am. Would be nice if this game turned out great, but I guess I'll remain with HoN.
A dota player and lol player walk into a bar. The dota player says: "lol sucks". Lol player couldn't deny. http://i.imgur.com/FpLeTf1.gif
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 10:02:45
August 16 2011 10:02 GMT
#84
On August 16 2011 18:59 Muki wrote:
Blizzard now can't do anything about it. They only have themselves to blame for not hiring IceFrog already in 2007. By that time it was very obvious that DotA has grown huge.


They could because every single image and model in warcraft 3 are created by Blizzard and thus the property of Blizzard.

Dota exists almost entirely on models allready present in the game, property of Blizzard.


If i make an awesome game using legos i can't just suddenly start selling legos as part of my game.
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
August 16 2011 10:05 GMT
#85
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iLikeRain
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark504 Posts
August 16 2011 10:05 GMT
#86
On August 16 2011 19:01 ViperPL wrote:
I really don't see the point of making Dota2. I mean, HoN is there with everything better than Dota, so why would they make Dota 2. Judging by the limited screens and footage of this game it looks like LoL 1.5 so far, which is quite bad in itself. When I first learned about it I really hope they would make it into an awesome game, but the more stuff is released the less hyped I am. Would be nice if this game turned out great, but I guess I'll remain with HoN.

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hadang
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany941 Posts
August 16 2011 10:13 GMT
#87
On August 16 2011 19:05 iLikeRain wrote:
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On August 16 2011 19:01 ViperPL wrote:
I really don't see the point of making Dota2. I mean, HoN is there with everything better than Dota, so why would they make Dota 2. Judging by the limited screens and footage of this game it looks like LoL 1.5 so far, which is quite bad in itself. When I first learned about it I really hope they would make it into an awesome game, but the more stuff is released the less hyped I am. Would be nice if this game turned out great, but I guess I'll remain with HoN.

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At this point : "HoN is there with everything better than Dota" it was clear that he's not serious
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
August 16 2011 10:13 GMT
#88
After 1.5 year of hon getting into dota will ensue ENORMOUS amounts of rage amongst dota veterans... I cannot wait.
But seriously, pretty excited, always love to jump in a new game
no dude, the question
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
August 16 2011 10:15 GMT
#89
On August 16 2011 19:01 ViperPL wrote:
I really don't see the point of making Dota2. I mean, HoN is there with everything better than Dota, so why would they make Dota 2. Judging by the limited screens and footage of this game it looks like LoL 1.5 so far, which is quite bad in itself. When I first learned about it I really hope they would make it into an awesome game, but the more stuff is released the less hyped I am. Would be nice if this game turned out great, but I guess I'll remain with HoN.


Except HoN isn't Dota. Neither is LoL. If you think HoN is better than Dota gameplay-wise you might just not have been into Dota anyway. For a large part though, Dota1 gameplay is exactly what we want.
ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
August 16 2011 10:24 GMT
#90
On August 16 2011 19:15 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 19:01 ViperPL wrote:
I really don't see the point of making Dota2. I mean, HoN is there with everything better than Dota, so why would they make Dota 2. Judging by the limited screens and footage of this game it looks like LoL 1.5 so far, which is quite bad in itself. When I first learned about it I really hope they would make it into an awesome game, but the more stuff is released the less hyped I am. Would be nice if this game turned out great, but I guess I'll remain with HoN.


Except HoN isn't Dota. Neither is LoL. If you think HoN is better than Dota gameplay-wise you might just not have been into Dota anyway. For a large part though, Dota1 gameplay is exactly what we want.


When I got introduced to Dota by a friend of mine I got into HoN beta shortly after. And honestly, I see basically no difference between the games except for better graphics and ui, plus more convenient online setup (seeing as it's a whole game made out of War3 map and you don't need 3rd party stuff like Garena).
A dota player and lol player walk into a bar. The dota player says: "lol sucks". Lol player couldn't deny. http://i.imgur.com/FpLeTf1.gif
iLikeRain
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark504 Posts
August 16 2011 10:27 GMT
#91
On August 16 2011 19:24 ViperPL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 19:15 rotegirte wrote:
On August 16 2011 19:01 ViperPL wrote:
I really don't see the point of making Dota2. I mean, HoN is there with everything better than Dota, so why would they make Dota 2. Judging by the limited screens and footage of this game it looks like LoL 1.5 so far, which is quite bad in itself. When I first learned about it I really hope they would make it into an awesome game, but the more stuff is released the less hyped I am. Would be nice if this game turned out great, but I guess I'll remain with HoN.


Except HoN isn't Dota. Neither is LoL. If you think HoN is better than Dota gameplay-wise you might just not have been into Dota anyway. For a large part though, Dota1 gameplay is exactly what we want.


When I got introduced to Dota by a friend of mine I got into HoN beta shortly after. And honestly, I see basically no difference between the games except for better graphics and ui, plus more convenient online setup (seeing as it's a whole game made out of War3 map and you don't need 3rd party stuff like Garena).

You were introduced to DotA and then played HoN explains everything. You didn't really get to experience DotA enough to notice the differences. The only reason I switched to HoN was because of the "upgrades" such as leaver protection, reconnection etc. Gameplay wise DotA has always been far superior.

By the way, I hope you don't mind I borrowed your comment for my signature.
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EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
August 16 2011 10:28 GMT
#92
On August 16 2011 19:02 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 18:59 Muki wrote:
Blizzard now can't do anything about it. They only have themselves to blame for not hiring IceFrog already in 2007. By that time it was very obvious that DotA has grown huge.


They could because every single image and model in warcraft 3 are created by Blizzard and thus the property of Blizzard.

Dota exists almost entirely on models allready present in the game, property of Blizzard.


If i make an awesome game using legos i can't just suddenly start selling legos as part of my game.


It seems DotA 2 isn't using orc, elves, taurens etc. Those are part of Blizzard's world. There's no reason they can't make a flying redheaded sorceress or a blinking antimage with razor blades.

If they don't call Tauren Chieftain Tauren Chieftain in Dota 2 then they have already gone around copyright.
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
August 16 2011 10:29 GMT
#93
On August 16 2011 19:28 Muki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 19:02 zalz wrote:
On August 16 2011 18:59 Muki wrote:
Blizzard now can't do anything about it. They only have themselves to blame for not hiring IceFrog already in 2007. By that time it was very obvious that DotA has grown huge.


They could because every single image and model in warcraft 3 are created by Blizzard and thus the property of Blizzard.

Dota exists almost entirely on models allready present in the game, property of Blizzard.


If i make an awesome game using legos i can't just suddenly start selling legos as part of my game.


It seems DotA 2 isn't using orc, elves, taurens etc. Those are part of Blizzard's world. There's no reason they can't make a flying redheaded sorceress or a blinking antimage with razor blades.

If they don't call Tauren Chieftain Tauren Chieftain in Dota 2 then they have already gone around copyright.


ahahaha

by the way, I hope you don't mind I've borrowed your quote to make fun of you forever in my signature


HON is a great game, S2 is a crappy company. I'll play wherever the people are and my friends are, which at this points means DOTA 2 unless DOTA 2 is a complete piece of shit
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
August 16 2011 10:37 GMT
#94
On August 16 2011 19:29 Ganfei2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2011 19:28 Muki wrote:
On August 16 2011 19:02 zalz wrote:
On August 16 2011 18:59 Muki wrote:
Blizzard now can't do anything about it. They only have themselves to blame for not hiring IceFrog already in 2007. By that time it was very obvious that DotA has grown huge.


They could because every single image and model in warcraft 3 are created by Blizzard and thus the property of Blizzard.

Dota exists almost entirely on models allready present in the game, property of Blizzard.


If i make an awesome game using legos i can't just suddenly start selling legos as part of my game.


It seems DotA 2 isn't using orc, elves, taurens etc. Those are part of Blizzard's world. There's no reason they can't make a flying redheaded sorceress or a blinking antimage with razor blades.

If they don't call Tauren Chieftain Tauren Chieftain in Dota 2 then they have already gone around copyright.


ahahaha

by the way, I hope you don't mind I've borrowed your quote to make fun of you forever in my signature


HON is a great game, S2 is a crappy company. I'll play wherever the people are and my friends are, which at this points means DOTA 2 unless DOTA 2 is a complete piece of shit


Well we must have misunderstood each other, I wrote that in support of Dota 2 actually.
UbiNax
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark381 Posts
August 16 2011 10:41 GMT
#95
Cant wait for the championship tomorow!

:o and the game for that matter! hehe
DW-Unrec
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
492 Posts
August 16 2011 10:41 GMT
#96
So are you guys switching to dota? I've been playing dota since 2003, Now i'm trying to go pro at SC2. I dont think dota has a room for foreigners tho
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
August 16 2011 10:43 GMT
#97
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Dragule
Profile Joined January 2011
France17 Posts
August 16 2011 10:46 GMT
#98
Do you think that all the eSport that is on LoL now, will soon be on DotA 2 ?
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lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
August 16 2011 10:47 GMT
#99
I second the "this game has a learning curve like a klein bottle" thought, and hope that somewhere here we could actually make a good DotA community. TL is by far the best community I've come across that's a decent size, so maybe it can work here. I wouldn't hold my breath, however, something about the DotA genre turns people into rampaging mouth breathing rage machines.

That said, I will be more than happy to help ANYONE when they start out - I've played dota for a significantly larger proportion of my life than I'm comfortable to admit, and whilst I'm horribly out of practice competitive wise (curse you uni for taking dota time away), competitive types aren't going to need help.

Might I suggest a list of steam names for those who wish to coach and/or be coached - I think there's a coaching system that will be in place? I'll put my name forward as a start - my steam's lozarian anyway, it wouldn't take much to put two and two together.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
tmtx
Profile Joined April 2010
71 Posts
August 16 2011 10:48 GMT
#100
On August 16 2011 19:00 zeru wrote:
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On August 16 2011 18:48 tmtx wrote:
On August 16 2011 18:08 Benjef wrote:
On August 16 2011 17:41 tmtx wrote:
On August 16 2011 16:58 SirMilford wrote:
On August 16 2011 16:47 wooozy wrote:
On August 16 2011 16:32 tmtx wrote:
noob question: Why is there only one map? It would seem that other maps with the same mechanics would make a lot of sense. I mean not necessarily as many as SC2, but something like 5. Are all the items and heroes so fine tuned, that introducing more lanes or decreasing their count would hurt the game? If that is the case, even with only three lanes there still could be a lot of map variations.


HoN has 3v3 on a map called grimm's crossing. i know nothing of it though so i can say nothing more in terms of the balance of 3v3 and whatnot.

although now that i think about it, that's pretty irrelevant since i guess you're talking about changes to the map for 5v5

Succubus/panda are basically impossible to counter ina 3v3 situation. Just disable 2 with suc and destroy the other with panda.

3v3 is impossible to balance.


How about 6v6?
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Spectators?

According to Q&A on dota2.com there will be heavy infrastructure for spectators, so that's probably not it:
Q: Can you spectate an already ongoing DotA 2 game? (by Valo)
A: A lot of the game will be built around spectating and shoutcasting support. You will be able to join most ongoing games (unless the players marked it as private) and just watch them. You can join a game your friend is in, see what your favorite clan is doing, or simply pick a skill level and a hero you like and it will find you one to watch. We also have a system in place that automatically distributes the load to multiple servers so that the game itself won’t be affected by users joining to spectate. Our distribution network will allow us to support any number of users that want to watch, by dynamically assigning more servers to the task. There will also be special tags and search options to help you find live or old shoutcasted games. Shoutcasters will be able to operate as directors, so anyone watching will have his camera looking at the same things the shoutcaster is viewing. There is also an optional anti-cheat mechanism built in so that the game you are spectating can be time delayed by any amount of time to reduce potential abuse.

"Will be" doesn't mean that there already is though. Easy to implement a simple spectator feature while the bigger system is being made.

Yeah, I guess that might be true.
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