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Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
March 09 2012 20:25 GMT
#3841
On March 10 2012 03:03 konadora wrote:
antimage has got to be the trashiest hero ever wtf

just played 5v5, am goes midas first, goes 2-4 early game, then starts farming his own jungle only

30 minutes in, our highest (spectre with 8 kills) is lvl 17, he's 22
he has midas bfury treads manta aegis basher

wipes whole team

team goes from 13 kills ahead to instant-lose

wtf

how do you even stop that? constant gank?


Ward his camps, kill him in the jungle push their towers down so they lose map control among other things.
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
March 09 2012 20:38 GMT
#3842
On March 10 2012 05:25 Esoterikk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 03:03 konadora wrote:
antimage has got to be the trashiest hero ever wtf

just played 5v5, am goes midas first, goes 2-4 early game, then starts farming his own jungle only

30 minutes in, our highest (spectre with 8 kills) is lvl 17, he's 22
he has midas bfury treads manta aegis basher

wipes whole team

team goes from 13 kills ahead to instant-lose

wtf

how do you even stop that? constant gank?


Ward his camps, kill him in the jungle push their towers down so they lose map control among other things.


Also your spectre probably got the wrong items and sucks at farming.
if you can believe you can concieve
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 09 2012 21:06 GMT
#3843
On March 10 2012 02:59 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 01:39 scorch- wrote:
On March 09 2012 23:20 NB wrote:
some hero are just back stab their own team if controlled my noob hands....

Got a clock short lane with void(me) vs doom venom... spam rocket like no tmr and dont know how to pull... result i get no farm and he got killed 4 times bc lane pushed too far... ~_~.

Btw, is midas a good alternative for battle fury on void?


Yes, in public games where the other team doesn't have an obvious push lineup. You get 6/11 of a hyperstone and +100gpm for 1/3 of the price of BF. Attack speed is great for void and you can do something like midas/treads/vanguard/damage items. Ignore anyone who says you get BF for AOE damage in chrono... void is all about destroying a hero (or two) while his team is disabled. If the hero you're attacking is chrono'd you're probably using that spell wrong.

ye all the pros that go bf on void and use it to kill heros inside chronosphere must be doing something wrong

you dont get bf or midas because they are cost effective (they are both shit in cost effectiveness), you get them to farm faster but with a bf you are at least not completely useless for 30 minutes

endt: and why would you go vg on void :S

2009 believes Vanguard+Mjollnir is a decent alternative to BF builds. BF->Yasha/BKB/BFly is definitely more conventional though.
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Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
March 09 2012 21:35 GMT
#3844
Right now I'm forcing myself to buy midas on every hero, just to try it for a whole week. Half of the games it feels like the most amazing item, and the other half it is trash.

It doesn't even have to do with the hero, I got a lot out of it playing maiden, go figure.
EGM guides me
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 09 2012 21:53 GMT
#3845
Midas is fine if you finish it in like the first 5 minutes of the game, so it doesn't hurt your early item development too much.

You don't buy Midas *instead* of other items. The item itself doesn't really do anything. If you're buying Midas, it's because you can get it IN ADDITION to your normal items. If buying Midas is hurting your normal item development, it means you shouldn't be getting Midas.
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Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
March 09 2012 22:08 GMT
#3846
There is one bit you are missing, for supports it is coming really late (obvious reasons) but they come in hand. The gold and xp I get really helps with that "cornered" feel you get when trying to turtle for a comeback. But yea, as I said, it's just for fun, I might try force staff next week, or tranquil boots.
EGM guides me
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 09 2012 22:51 GMT
#3847
ive been playing mask of madness riki...with a basher.... its amazing!
High Risk Low Reward
atwar
Profile Joined May 2011
57 Posts
March 09 2012 23:03 GMT
#3848
when is the open beta ? T_T
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 09 2012 23:09 GMT
#3849
Does anyone know how to change settings so that your minimap shows the hero icons permanently instead of having to hold down alt?
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
March 10 2012 00:00 GMT
#3850
Guys, guys guys. Draz and I just had a game, and I went support Invoker. Totally viable

[image loading]

SEE!
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funcmode
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia720 Posts
March 10 2012 00:48 GMT
#3851
On March 10 2012 09:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Guys, guys guys. Draz and I just had a game, and I went support Invoker. Totally viable

[image loading]

SEE!

All you did was get a pipe instead of Eul's (which isn't really a true core item anyway) :p
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 10 2012 01:17 GMT
#3852
On March 10 2012 09:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Guys, guys guys. Draz and I just had a game, and I went support Invoker. Totally viable

[image loading]

SEE!

So now it's supporting to build bad items? Support shouldn't take farm and should harrass.

And yes Invoker can play every role except tank. Or basically support, initiator, ganker, carry, pusher
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 02:05:03
March 10 2012 02:04 GMT
#3853
Invoker can get quite tanky with quas regen if you max quas first (I believe you can have the regen of a heart of tarresque at level 12 or 13). I don't know what this tank role you are talking about is though.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 10 2012 02:11 GMT
#3854
Well invoker is actually a pretty terrible tank though I guess you could build him like that if you need to, still he gets outclassed by anyone tanky at the role so it makes no sense
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 10 2012 02:14 GMT
#3855
On March 10 2012 11:04 Nevuk wrote:
Invoker can get quite tanky with quas regen if you max quas first (I believe you can have the regen of a heart of tarresque at level 12 or 13). I don't know what this tank role you are talking about is though.

regen doesnt matter with his stat growth, HP+EHP is actually what matters
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
March 10 2012 02:36 GMT
#3856
On March 10 2012 09:48 funcmode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 09:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Guys, guys guys. Draz and I just had a game, and I went support Invoker. Totally viable

[image loading]

SEE!

All you did was get a pipe instead of Eul's (which isn't really a true core item anyway) :p



tell me a role that invoker cant do hahaha
even jungle hes viable (maybe I`m overreacting, but you get the point) the hero is just simply awesome
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
March 10 2012 02:36 GMT
#3857
How do you guys build Tiny when you play? Arcanes>Blink>Aghs? or Armor item like AC? Also what level do you guys get grow? I've toyed around with getting it at 6 and other times with getting it after maxing toss and avalanche.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
March 10 2012 02:48 GMT
#3858
On March 10 2012 11:36 Xinder wrote:
How do you guys build Tiny when you play? Arcanes>Blink>Aghs? or Armor item like AC? Also what level do you guys get grow? I've toyed around with getting it at 6 and other times with getting it after maxing toss and avalanche.



a while ago there was some math tests telling that getting grow at lvl 6 did more dmg than getting toss. I don't really know the true, but I don't think it matters that much. so do as you like.


as for build, arcane is good, blink is a must have, euls is pretty good, forcestaff is always good, aghs is a good item for pushing.

you can also get a dagon to autokill some key hero on the other side. AC is a good item I guess, I myself prefer the caster tiny (shivas for armor) over the attackspeed/dmg one.

Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
March 10 2012 02:59 GMT
#3859
On March 10 2012 11:48 Kznn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 11:36 Xinder wrote:
How do you guys build Tiny when you play? Arcanes>Blink>Aghs? or Armor item like AC? Also what level do you guys get grow? I've toyed around with getting it at 6 and other times with getting it after maxing toss and avalanche.



a while ago there was some math tests telling that getting grow at lvl 6 did more dmg than getting toss. I don't really know the true, but I don't think it matters that much. so do as you like.


as for build, arcane is good, blink is a must have, euls is pretty good, forcestaff is always good, aghs is a good item for pushing.

you can also get a dagon to autokill some key hero on the other side. AC is a good item I guess, I myself prefer the caster tiny (shivas for armor) over the attackspeed/dmg one.



I'm just trying to think what would be good in pubs. The caster tiny or the pusher tower destroyer tiny. I have been leaning towards the tower destroyer tiny. Would you get the armor first or the aghs? After the blink. Obv when you blink in if you don't get a lot of heroes in the stun then you're kinda fucked with the shitty armor tiny has.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 10 2012 03:01 GMT
#3860
You can either go aval > toss > ulti (traditional build), or toss > ulti > aval (what some pro teams have been doing recently)
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