• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:54
CET 04:54
KST 12:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
Zerg is losing its identity in StarCraft 2 Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What happened to TvZ on Retro? SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2176 users

General Discussion - Page 193

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 191 192 193 194 195 6534 Next
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2

Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
March 09 2012 20:25 GMT
#3841
On March 10 2012 03:03 konadora wrote:
antimage has got to be the trashiest hero ever wtf

just played 5v5, am goes midas first, goes 2-4 early game, then starts farming his own jungle only

30 minutes in, our highest (spectre with 8 kills) is lvl 17, he's 22
he has midas bfury treads manta aegis basher

wipes whole team

team goes from 13 kills ahead to instant-lose

wtf

how do you even stop that? constant gank?


Ward his camps, kill him in the jungle push their towers down so they lose map control among other things.
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
March 09 2012 20:38 GMT
#3842
On March 10 2012 05:25 Esoterikk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 03:03 konadora wrote:
antimage has got to be the trashiest hero ever wtf

just played 5v5, am goes midas first, goes 2-4 early game, then starts farming his own jungle only

30 minutes in, our highest (spectre with 8 kills) is lvl 17, he's 22
he has midas bfury treads manta aegis basher

wipes whole team

team goes from 13 kills ahead to instant-lose

wtf

how do you even stop that? constant gank?


Ward his camps, kill him in the jungle push their towers down so they lose map control among other things.


Also your spectre probably got the wrong items and sucks at farming.
if you can believe you can concieve
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 09 2012 21:06 GMT
#3843
On March 10 2012 02:59 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 01:39 scorch- wrote:
On March 09 2012 23:20 NB wrote:
some hero are just back stab their own team if controlled my noob hands....

Got a clock short lane with void(me) vs doom venom... spam rocket like no tmr and dont know how to pull... result i get no farm and he got killed 4 times bc lane pushed too far... ~_~.

Btw, is midas a good alternative for battle fury on void?


Yes, in public games where the other team doesn't have an obvious push lineup. You get 6/11 of a hyperstone and +100gpm for 1/3 of the price of BF. Attack speed is great for void and you can do something like midas/treads/vanguard/damage items. Ignore anyone who says you get BF for AOE damage in chrono... void is all about destroying a hero (or two) while his team is disabled. If the hero you're attacking is chrono'd you're probably using that spell wrong.

ye all the pros that go bf on void and use it to kill heros inside chronosphere must be doing something wrong

you dont get bf or midas because they are cost effective (they are both shit in cost effectiveness), you get them to farm faster but with a bf you are at least not completely useless for 30 minutes

endt: and why would you go vg on void :S

2009 believes Vanguard+Mjollnir is a decent alternative to BF builds. BF->Yasha/BKB/BFly is definitely more conventional though.
Moderator
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
March 09 2012 21:35 GMT
#3844
Right now I'm forcing myself to buy midas on every hero, just to try it for a whole week. Half of the games it feels like the most amazing item, and the other half it is trash.

It doesn't even have to do with the hero, I got a lot out of it playing maiden, go figure.
EGM guides me
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 09 2012 21:53 GMT
#3845
Midas is fine if you finish it in like the first 5 minutes of the game, so it doesn't hurt your early item development too much.

You don't buy Midas *instead* of other items. The item itself doesn't really do anything. If you're buying Midas, it's because you can get it IN ADDITION to your normal items. If buying Midas is hurting your normal item development, it means you shouldn't be getting Midas.
Moderator
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
March 09 2012 22:08 GMT
#3846
There is one bit you are missing, for supports it is coming really late (obvious reasons) but they come in hand. The gold and xp I get really helps with that "cornered" feel you get when trying to turtle for a comeback. But yea, as I said, it's just for fun, I might try force staff next week, or tranquil boots.
EGM guides me
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 09 2012 22:51 GMT
#3847
ive been playing mask of madness riki...with a basher.... its amazing!
High Risk Low Reward
atwar
Profile Joined May 2011
57 Posts
March 09 2012 23:03 GMT
#3848
when is the open beta ? T_T
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 09 2012 23:09 GMT
#3849
Does anyone know how to change settings so that your minimap shows the hero icons permanently instead of having to hold down alt?
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
March 10 2012 00:00 GMT
#3850
Guys, guys guys. Draz and I just had a game, and I went support Invoker. Totally viable

[image loading]

SEE!
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
funcmode
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia720 Posts
March 10 2012 00:48 GMT
#3851
On March 10 2012 09:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Guys, guys guys. Draz and I just had a game, and I went support Invoker. Totally viable

[image loading]

SEE!

All you did was get a pipe instead of Eul's (which isn't really a true core item anyway) :p
@funcmode - TPW Mapmaking Team - theplanetaryworkshop.com
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 10 2012 01:17 GMT
#3852
On March 10 2012 09:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Guys, guys guys. Draz and I just had a game, and I went support Invoker. Totally viable

[image loading]

SEE!

So now it's supporting to build bad items? Support shouldn't take farm and should harrass.

And yes Invoker can play every role except tank. Or basically support, initiator, ganker, carry, pusher
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 02:05:03
March 10 2012 02:04 GMT
#3853
Invoker can get quite tanky with quas regen if you max quas first (I believe you can have the regen of a heart of tarresque at level 12 or 13). I don't know what this tank role you are talking about is though.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 10 2012 02:11 GMT
#3854
Well invoker is actually a pretty terrible tank though I guess you could build him like that if you need to, still he gets outclassed by anyone tanky at the role so it makes no sense
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 10 2012 02:14 GMT
#3855
On March 10 2012 11:04 Nevuk wrote:
Invoker can get quite tanky with quas regen if you max quas first (I believe you can have the regen of a heart of tarresque at level 12 or 13). I don't know what this tank role you are talking about is though.

regen doesnt matter with his stat growth, HP+EHP is actually what matters
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
March 10 2012 02:36 GMT
#3856
On March 10 2012 09:48 funcmode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 09:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Guys, guys guys. Draz and I just had a game, and I went support Invoker. Totally viable

[image loading]

SEE!

All you did was get a pipe instead of Eul's (which isn't really a true core item anyway) :p



tell me a role that invoker cant do hahaha
even jungle hes viable (maybe I`m overreacting, but you get the point) the hero is just simply awesome
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
March 10 2012 02:36 GMT
#3857
How do you guys build Tiny when you play? Arcanes>Blink>Aghs? or Armor item like AC? Also what level do you guys get grow? I've toyed around with getting it at 6 and other times with getting it after maxing toss and avalanche.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
March 10 2012 02:48 GMT
#3858
On March 10 2012 11:36 Xinder wrote:
How do you guys build Tiny when you play? Arcanes>Blink>Aghs? or Armor item like AC? Also what level do you guys get grow? I've toyed around with getting it at 6 and other times with getting it after maxing toss and avalanche.



a while ago there was some math tests telling that getting grow at lvl 6 did more dmg than getting toss. I don't really know the true, but I don't think it matters that much. so do as you like.


as for build, arcane is good, blink is a must have, euls is pretty good, forcestaff is always good, aghs is a good item for pushing.

you can also get a dagon to autokill some key hero on the other side. AC is a good item I guess, I myself prefer the caster tiny (shivas for armor) over the attackspeed/dmg one.

Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
March 10 2012 02:59 GMT
#3859
On March 10 2012 11:48 Kznn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 11:36 Xinder wrote:
How do you guys build Tiny when you play? Arcanes>Blink>Aghs? or Armor item like AC? Also what level do you guys get grow? I've toyed around with getting it at 6 and other times with getting it after maxing toss and avalanche.



a while ago there was some math tests telling that getting grow at lvl 6 did more dmg than getting toss. I don't really know the true, but I don't think it matters that much. so do as you like.


as for build, arcane is good, blink is a must have, euls is pretty good, forcestaff is always good, aghs is a good item for pushing.

you can also get a dagon to autokill some key hero on the other side. AC is a good item I guess, I myself prefer the caster tiny (shivas for armor) over the attackspeed/dmg one.



I'm just trying to think what would be good in pubs. The caster tiny or the pusher tower destroyer tiny. I have been leaning towards the tower destroyer tiny. Would you get the armor first or the aghs? After the blink. Obv when you blink in if you don't get a lot of heroes in the stun then you're kinda fucked with the shitty armor tiny has.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 10 2012 03:01 GMT
#3860
You can either go aval > toss > ulti (traditional build), or toss > ulti > aval (what some pro teams have been doing recently)
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Prev 1 191 192 193 194 195 6534 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
20:30
Best Games of SC
Serral vs Clem
Solar vs Cure
Serral vs Clem
Reynor vs GuMiho
herO vs Cure
PiGStarcraft454
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
19:00
Masters Cup #150: Group B
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft454
SpeCial 161
RuFF_SC2 25
trigger 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 240
yabsab 182
NaDa 94
Sexy 81
Dota 2
monkeys_forever418
NeuroSwarm70
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
fl0m2310
Other Games
summit1g12589
JimRising 455
ViBE234
Fuzer 191
WinterStarcraft106
Mew2King82
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick614
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Freeedom6
• practicex 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21588
Other Games
• Scarra834
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6h 6m
RSL Revival
6h 6m
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
8h 6m
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
8h 6m
BSL 21
16h 6m
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
16h 6m
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
19h 6m
Wardi Open
1d 8h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 13h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL: GosuLeague
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL: GosuLeague
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.