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EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 06:44:15
March 08 2012 06:43 GMT
#3721
I think I just played one of the most epics games ever. My friend (aa) and I (sk) got queued against a 5man in an ap. We have a shaky start because its hard to keep up with all their ganks. When they get a comfortable lead, they start pushing all our towers and were sitting in our base, defending for at least 20 minutes straight. Probably thanks to our picks and mass warding, we lasted a long time. It also probably had to do with the fact they were playing really reckless at this point. Then, both potm and bh decided to get a dr... o.o We got potm's first in a team fight and it wasn't before long when bh lost his too. bh rage quits and we push to win. LOL

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CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
March 08 2012 06:47 GMT
#3722
On March 08 2012 13:15 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 12:15 Ack1027 wrote:
On March 08 2012 12:05 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
What are all of CoL's achievements? The only thing I see is 2nd in the premier league on the DotA 2 wiki. I would love if a US team could become really good and dota, but its never happened before outside of fear and demon.
I think Navi, Quantic, and EG are top three because they've been in the scene for so long. Once dota 2 stabilizes they should show how powerful they are.



There's been players as good or better than fear and demon from the US when they played actively. .


Like who?
As an outsider(to the na scene I mean) my opinion is that after Demon, Fear and Merlini some years back, there's only chaos. Meaning no players good enough to compete with top euros/chinese.
So, can you elaborate on that?

Bulbasaur, PowerNet, 1437, Universe, inphinity and others I've missed can compete with top euros/chinese individual skill-wise, but NA hasn't had a competitive scene or sponsors so they haven't had any motivation to train their teamwork. Case in point, look at USA winning MYM Prime Nations last year.
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
March 08 2012 06:55 GMT
#3723
On March 08 2012 13:57 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 13:55 konadora wrote:
On March 08 2012 13:55 NB wrote:
force staff while ulti as yunero.... -> shit happens

really?

i'm trying this on the next game when we are ahead

Not as snazzy as blink dagger though.


The old Blink Dagger used to be able to evade Omnislash, but the new Dagger won't allow that anymore.

I don't think that the Forcestaff will push you far enough out of range for Omnislash check though
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 08 2012 07:41 GMT
#3724
On March 08 2012 15:55 kethers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 13:57 flamewheel wrote:
On March 08 2012 13:55 konadora wrote:
On March 08 2012 13:55 NB wrote:
force staff while ulti as yunero.... -> shit happens

really?

i'm trying this on the next game when we are ahead

Not as snazzy as blink dagger though.


The old Blink Dagger used to be able to evade Omnislash, but the new Dagger won't allow that anymore.

I don't think that the Forcestaff will push you far enough out of range for Omnislash check though

no, we are talking about using items WHILE omnislash... not while BEING slashed xD

on a side note, just troll kiante in a pub game and now he is threatening to ban my IP if i dont tell him who i actually am T_T....
darkseer carry is sicking good though
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 08 2012 07:57 GMT
#3725
http://www.team-dignitas.net/dota-invitational

Quantic vs DTS, CLG vs wW 1st round matchups, and probably some great matches after(possible EG/Quantic rematch, possible storyline match with Na'Vi vs Darer).

Starts early in the morning for NA though =/
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 08 2012 08:04 GMT
#3726
On March 08 2012 16:57 red_ wrote:
http://www.team-dignitas.net/dota-invitational

Quantic vs DTS, CLG vs wW 1st round matchups, and probably some great matches after(possible EG/Quantic rematch, possible storyline match with Na'Vi vs Darer).

Starts early in the morning for NA though =/

CLG wW again? LOLOLOL gona be fun is it bo3 or bo1?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 08 2012 08:23 GMT
#3727
On March 08 2012 17:04 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 16:57 red_ wrote:
http://www.team-dignitas.net/dota-invitational

Quantic vs DTS, CLG vs wW 1st round matchups, and probably some great matches after(possible EG/Quantic rematch, possible storyline match with Na'Vi vs Darer).

Starts early in the morning for NA though =/

CLG wW again? LOLOLOL gona be fun is it bo3 or bo1?


It doesn't specify on the info page actually. 2 days to play 4 rounds, perhaps round 1 will be single elim with the others being series, but I have no idea.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
March 08 2012 08:35 GMT
#3728
There's just been an article released on IGN interviewing a Valve programmer who talked about how TF2 has been a huge success for Valve, especially after it went free-to-play when revenues tripled. The most awesome bit though is the end of the article, and i quote:

Because the community exploded when Team Fortress 2 went free to play, this eventually became a huge cash flow. "I'd suggest anyone doing an online only game release free-to-play," Ludwig said. This isn't just because it worked for Valve, but because it's the most sensible means of attracting an audience. He says if Valve knew in 2007 what it knew now, Team Fortress 2 always would have been free.


just another indicator that Dota 2 will probably be free to play!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
March 08 2012 09:07 GMT
#3729
On March 08 2012 16:41 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 15:55 kethers wrote:
On March 08 2012 13:57 flamewheel wrote:
On March 08 2012 13:55 konadora wrote:
On March 08 2012 13:55 NB wrote:
force staff while ulti as yunero.... -> shit happens

really?

i'm trying this on the next game when we are ahead

Not as snazzy as blink dagger though.


The old Blink Dagger used to be able to evade Omnislash, but the new Dagger won't allow that anymore.

I don't think that the Forcestaff will push you far enough out of range for Omnislash check though

no, we are talking about using items WHILE omnislash... not while BEING slashed xD

on a side note, just troll kiante in a pub game and now he is threatening to ban my IP if i dont tell him who i actually am T_T....
darkseer carry is sicking good though
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 09:34:12
March 08 2012 09:23 GMT
#3730
On March 08 2012 13:15 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 12:15 Ack1027 wrote:
On March 08 2012 12:05 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
What are all of CoL's achievements? The only thing I see is 2nd in the premier league on the DotA 2 wiki. I would love if a US team could become really good and dota, but its never happened before outside of fear and demon.
I think Navi, Quantic, and EG are top three because they've been in the scene for so long. Once dota 2 stabilizes they should show how powerful they are.



There's been players as good or better than fear and demon from the US when they played actively. .


Like who?
As an outsider(to the na scene I mean) my opinion is that after Demon, Fear and Merlini some years back, there's only chaos. Meaning no players good enough to compete with top euros/chinese.
So, can you elaborate on that?


Other than what I would consider the newer generation of players: universe, 1437, bulba, powernet aka Team ItsGosu and EZstyle and the MYM Pride team that won nations with Demon as captain.....[ I didn't watch/follow these guys as much since i played comp dota less in this period ]

Merlini [ Obvious ]
Hit0mi/IndigoChildren [ In my opinion the best overall player in American dota history...short lived career but genius play ]
DogKaiser's syllabear [ One of the first people to warrant a ban on a specific hero, that wasn't already being banned ]
p0c [ Great support ]
In_deed [ Great support, he wrote lots of guides that were translated to Chinese even ]
OwnageJuice [ led his team Pandemic with monster plays ]
Fachh[P]'s juggernaut
JollyJoker [ He was gifted in individual skill but all the teams he was on died ]
JohnnyUtah/Remstar [ Canadian but played for lots of US teams ]

This was a really long time ago...and I'm not sure they are as good as the TOP CHINESE teams...but in their era they had huge impacts and imho they coulda played internationally.

American teams never stayed together long enough and had lots of egos....that's why coL/Fire is amazing. They pretty much outshine seemingly better talent through sheer teamwork and teamplay. They don't have egos and they stuck together through hard work. I dabbled in comp dota 1 with some of those guys and they are just on a completely different level nowadays. If they keep motivation and use their experience wisely they'll stay at the top

You could have made a team out of these guys and competed with any euro/russian team. China wasn't really competing yet internationally.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 10:31:24
March 08 2012 10:23 GMT
#3731
none of these guys could compete with the euro/asian teams at the time (2007) except for merlini and fear (when he came back). fachh was solid, and his team was a staple in north american dota. yoshi, miraclechipmunk and djungenie... good memories.

north american dota teams back then were very analgous to north american starcraft 2 players. great in north america, but irrelevant in the international scene. i played fairly competitively (demon was on my team when he started blossoming) and would regularly get destroyed by clan mage (analogous to a top korean player).

if you go back further, there were successful american teams, col and apex/jmc. that's where dogkaiser, poc, and indeed were from. shaang, daisy, fear, throzz, dominionwing...etc

and hans2
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
March 08 2012 10:40 GMT
#3732
On March 07 2012 21:04 NB wrote:
digging darkseer jungle so far... you should be reaching lv 6 at the same time as solo mid if do it correctly @_@... sadly its a bit hard to gank using jungle darkseer...

If anyone has any good method of ganking from jungle as darkseer please do tell... i think just run out with shell and chase them is a bit too risky and fragile (unless you have a good line up builld around DS which dont happen in pub) -_-... Also since ganking isnt guarantee money, sometime its better just to stay jungle ~_~...

also how do you build DS item wise? I have been going mana boot lately but i did say some people bought the tranquil to get the early healing and void stone for mana instead. Core is always scepter into refresher :-/...

1 point shell, 1 point surge, shell yourself, surge to get up in their face, allied nuke, walk next to enemy. Dead enemy.

Ion shell just does so much more dps than almost anything early game you should just kill them. You have equal movespeed so they can't run, and you out dps so they can't fight. Only thing they can do is disable you, and lane disable should help that.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 08 2012 11:08 GMT
#3733
On March 08 2012 19:40 lozarian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 21:04 NB wrote:
digging darkseer jungle so far... you should be reaching lv 6 at the same time as solo mid if do it correctly @_@... sadly its a bit hard to gank using jungle darkseer...

If anyone has any good method of ganking from jungle as darkseer please do tell... i think just run out with shell and chase them is a bit too risky and fragile (unless you have a good line up builld around DS which dont happen in pub) -_-... Also since ganking isnt guarantee money, sometime its better just to stay jungle ~_~...

also how do you build DS item wise? I have been going mana boot lately but i did say some people bought the tranquil to get the early healing and void stone for mana instead. Core is always scepter into refresher :-/...

1 point shell, 1 point surge, shell yourself, surge to get up in their face, allied nuke, walk next to enemy. Dead enemy.

Ion shell just does so much more dps than almost anything early game you should just kill them. You have equal movespeed so they can't run, and you out dps so they can't fight. Only thing they can do is disable you, and lane disable should help that.

yeah im trying that atm but still its so risky as you are a squishy int swinging ur body toward the front line T_T.... i often shell yunero or tide and speed them up to lead for me =))....
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 11:13:51
March 08 2012 11:11 GMT
#3734
?Ds isnt squishy and they wont turn around and kill you unless your lane mates are utterly incompetent.
WriterXiao8~~
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
March 08 2012 11:14 GMT
#3735
Dark Seer has really nice starting STR and STR gain for an Intelligence hero.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 12:52:45
March 08 2012 11:27 GMT
#3736
Yeah, seer has some of the best starting stats in the game. 6 armour and 22 str makes him far tanker than most, and that you're jungling means you've probably got a stout too, making you even tankier. You should definitely be the one going in. When I jungle seer I get at least 1 health pot exactly for this - heal up before you go for a gank.

Edit: bungling =\= jungling. Screw you autocorrect.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
StuartLove
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany267 Posts
March 08 2012 12:01 GMT
#3737
you`re good

User was warned for this post
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TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 12:42:01
March 08 2012 12:41 GMT
#3738
Johnny Utah did travel internationally and go to china.

EDIT POST 1000.................
if you can believe you can concieve
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 08 2012 13:05 GMT
#3739
Dark Seer is actually the tankiest hero on level 1, isn't he? Both his base strength and armor are one of the highest in the game.
super gg
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 08 2012 13:08 GMT
#3740
On March 08 2012 22:05 cecek wrote:
Dark Seer is actually the tankiest hero on level 1, isn't he? Both his base strength and armor are one of the highest in the game.

On base stats, probably. It gets hard to compare when you start considering the effect of various skills on "tankiness".
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