• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:06
CEST 15:06
KST 22:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors13[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists19[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers20Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group D Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Total Annihilation Server - TAForever
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2033 users

General Discussion - Page 185

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 183 184 185 186 187 6534 Next
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2

Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads.
eqez
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden837 Posts
March 07 2012 22:06 GMT
#3681
CLG won 4 games in a row vs mouz

Really well played!
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
March 07 2012 22:06 GMT
#3682
Aw man, I really got to get familiar with bane. Simply not familiar with his animations so I wasnt too sure if he was using Ult or just nightmare. The animations kinda look the same. =/
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 07 2012 22:10 GMT
#3683
On March 08 2012 06:55 flamewheel wrote:
Actually I remember in the relic game 09 on SF picks up a Vanguard explicitly saying "I need something which yields the highest performance-to-cost ratio", but that was a while back.

That was also version 6.64, when Vanguard still gave full block value to ranged heroes.
Moderator
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 07 2012 22:12 GMT
#3684
Pajkatt is so insanely aggressive lol, its a horrifically fun playstyle to watch but I would still say Dendi is the better solo player, Pajkatt is right up there though.

I love CLG though, I want to really see them move up the rankings because in my mind they are a top 5 team right now but really have the potential to move back to Top 3, which is where I believe they were, with EG and Na'Vi right before FIRE made their run and AL did their thing.

Currently I'd put Na'Vi as a clearcut #1, with Quantic a clear #2 followed by coL and AL, 5th is CLG, 6th is the currently slumping EG (they really need Playmate back in my opinion), I'd say Dignitas is playing well enough to deserve #7, followed by mousesports at 8, and itsbulba err, ItsGosu at #9.and WW rounding out my top 10.

Bam
+ Show Spoiler [tldr/cleaner rankings] +

#1 Na'vi
2 Quantic
3 coL
4 AL
5 CLG
6 EG
7Dignitas
8 mouz
9 GoSu
10 Western Wolves
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 07 2012 22:14 GMT
#3685
On March 08 2012 07:05 not jack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 06:22 PHILtheTANK wrote:
On March 08 2012 06:14 not jack wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:59 TheYango wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:39 not jack wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:26 cilinder007 wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:19 TheYango wrote:
Even within those restrictions, I think Heaven's Halberd might still be more cost-effective than Vanguard.

I thought even sange is more cost effective, thus even sny


SnY is the worst item in the game. I would say that while Halberd does give a lot for 4k, when you get into that realm of expensive items your opportunity cost increases a lot more, showing why it's rarely gotten in comp games. I know heroes that get good use of it are barely picked either, but they still rarely get it.

Oblivion Staff
Ring of Aquila

How long do I have to keep naming items that are more cost-effective than Vanguard?

Also, the only reason Halberd is "rarely gotten" is because not enough games have been on 6.73. It's been bought very frequently in the last week in G-1 League.

On March 08 2012 02:34 rabidch wrote:
About G-1: WE will ride their momentum and beat DK

DK's got 3 and a half weeks to find a way to beat Tauren Chieftain.


If you think Ring of Aquila is comparable there's no getting through to you.


??? Ring of Aquila is stupidly cost effective, and only takes one item slot for such a cheap and beefy item.


In most situations it's smarter to just keep the RoB. The majority of it's cost-effectiveness comes from that.


Ya well its still not going to be as cost effective on every hero like janggo can be. But on a hero who can really utilize it like morph its wicked sick.
Jieun <3
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 07 2012 22:36 GMT
#3686
That like saying Blademail works best when opposing heroes do high burst damage. Or Diffusal works when you need the Purge. Like thanks Encycolopedia Brown (doesn't even deserve Sherlock).
Get it by your hands...
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 22:55:28
March 07 2012 22:54 GMT
#3687
On March 08 2012 07:36 Judicator wrote:
That like saying Blademail works best when opposing heroes do high burst damage. Or Diffusal works when you need the Purge. Like thanks Encycolopedia Brown (doesn't even deserve Sherlock).


Its not like saying that at all.... its like saying RoA is an extremely cost effective item it just benefits some heroes more.....

GJ on being part of a constructive discussion tho!(maybe Sherlock can tell you thats called sarcasm)
Jieun <3
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 07 2012 22:57 GMT
#3688
On March 08 2012 07:12 Zlasher wrote:
Pajkatt is so insanely aggressive lol, its a horrifically fun playstyle to watch but I would still say Dendi is the better solo player, Pajkatt is right up there though.

I love CLG though, I want to really see them move up the rankings because in my mind they are a top 5 team right now but really have the potential to move back to Top 3, which is where I believe they were, with EG and Na'Vi right before FIRE made their run and AL did their thing.

Currently I'd put Na'Vi as a clearcut #1, with Quantic a clear #2 followed by coL and AL, 5th is CLG, 6th is the currently slumping EG (they really need Playmate back in my opinion), I'd say Dignitas is playing well enough to deserve #7, followed by mousesports at 8, and itsbulba err, ItsGosu at #9.and WW rounding out my top 10.

Bam
+ Show Spoiler [tldr/cleaner rankings] +

#1 Na'vi
2 Quantic
3 coL
4 AL
5 CLG
6 EG
7Dignitas
8 mouz
9 GoSu
10 Western Wolves


Pajkatt makes too many mistakes. His team is forced to bail him out ALOT.
High Risk Low Reward
HypernovA
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada556 Posts
March 07 2012 23:15 GMT
#3689
Can anyone confirm this? I remember in DotA 1 that if an enemy
Bane cast nightmare on one of my teammates I would able To attack my ally and get the sleep on me myself. I can't attack my ally in Dota 2
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 07 2012 23:16 GMT
#3690
On March 08 2012 04:59 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 04:39 not jack wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:26 cilinder007 wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:19 TheYango wrote:
Even within those restrictions, I think Heaven's Halberd might still be more cost-effective than Vanguard.

I thought even sange is more cost effective, thus even sny


SnY is the worst item in the game. I would say that while Halberd does give a lot for 4k, when you get into that realm of expensive items your opportunity cost increases a lot more, showing why it's rarely gotten in comp games. I know heroes that get good use of it are barely picked either, but they still rarely get it.

Oblivion Staff
Ring of Aquila

How long do I have to keep naming items that are more cost-effective than Vanguard?

Also, the only reason Halberd is "rarely gotten" is because not enough games have been on 6.73. It's been bought very frequently in the last week in G-1 League.

Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 02:34 rabidch wrote:
About G-1: WE will ride their momentum and beat DK

DK's got 3 and a half weeks to find a way to beat Tauren Chieftain.

Tauren Chieftain isn't the reason why they're winning, though it's pretty funny to see in action.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 23:45:40
March 07 2012 23:30 GMT
#3691
edit nevermind my memory sucks.

my top 5 would probably be

na'vi
quantic
coL
aL
CLG
(mouz) if mouz had even split with CLG (they do lifetime 2-2) today I think they'd deserve 5 but they threw hard.

these 5 are more about recent accomplishments rather than who i think is best etc., EG I'm not sure could be argued as top10 right now, which really sucks because they are so talented.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
March 07 2012 23:32 GMT
#3692
On March 08 2012 08:15 HypernovA wrote:
Can anyone confirm this? I remember in DotA 1 that if an enemy
Bane cast nightmare on one of my teammates I would able To attack my ally and get the sleep on me myself. I can't attack my ally in Dota 2

Bug. Getting fixed.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 23:38:20
March 07 2012 23:37 GMT
#3693
On March 08 2012 08:32 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 08:15 HypernovA wrote:
Can anyone confirm this? I remember in DotA 1 that if an enemy
Bane cast nightmare on one of my teammates I would able To attack my ally and get the sleep on me myself. I can't attack my ally in Dota 2

Bug. Getting fixed.


its fixed on test servers, so this thursday
High Risk Low Reward
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 08 2012 00:28 GMT
#3694
FearSC stream isnt the Fear from EG right? twitch.tv/fearsc??
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 01:06:11
March 08 2012 00:29 GMT
#3695
On March 08 2012 08:30 crms wrote:
edit nevermind my memory sucks.

my top 5 would probably be

na'vi
quantic
coL
aL
CLG
(mouz) if mouz had even split with CLG (they do lifetime 2-2) today I think they'd deserve 5 but they threw hard.

these 5 are more about recent accomplishments rather than who i think is best etc., EG I'm not sure could be argued as top10 right now, which really sucks because they are so talented.


I can't take mouz too seriously when their only notable performance lately was a tournament that was largely full of scrub teams, with only like 4 good teams involved, and none of the serious top tier (I wouldn't put money on mouz against navi quantic or coL, even EG). Thats why I put them lower. At least EG has shown to compete with those top teams whereas mouz doesn't even get matched up with them therefore doens't deserve praise.

Edit: Excuse me, they did beat AL 2-1, but before that it was all BO1's which I can't put as much mind into
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 08 2012 00:30 GMT
#3696
On March 08 2012 09:28 NB wrote:
FearSC stream isnt the Fear from EG right? twitch.tv/fearsc??


no fear from eg is www.twitch.tv/feardarkness
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 08 2012 01:22 GMT
#3697
On March 08 2012 09:29 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 08:30 crms wrote:
edit nevermind my memory sucks.

my top 5 would probably be

na'vi
quantic
coL
aL
CLG
(mouz) if mouz had even split with CLG (they do lifetime 2-2) today I think they'd deserve 5 but they threw hard.

these 5 are more about recent accomplishments rather than who i think is best etc., EG I'm not sure could be argued as top10 right now, which really sucks because they are so talented.


I can't take mouz too seriously when their only notable performance lately was a tournament that was largely full of scrub teams, with only like 4 good teams involved, and none of the serious top tier (I wouldn't put money on mouz against navi quantic or coL, even EG). Thats why I put them lower. At least EG has shown to compete with those top teams whereas mouz doesn't even get matched up with them therefore doens't deserve praise.

Edit: Excuse me, they did beat AL 2-1, but before that it was all BO1's which I can't put as much mind into



you should watch that aL series, exemplifies why mouz is one of the best teams to watch (maybe not best skill yet). I highly recommend them!
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
March 08 2012 02:55 GMT
#3698
On March 08 2012 09:29 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 08:30 crms wrote:
edit nevermind my memory sucks.

my top 5 would probably be

na'vi
quantic
coL
aL
CLG
(mouz) if mouz had even split with CLG (they do lifetime 2-2) today I think they'd deserve 5 but they threw hard.

these 5 are more about recent accomplishments rather than who i think is best etc., EG I'm not sure could be argued as top10 right now, which really sucks because they are so talented.


I can't take mouz too seriously when their only notable performance lately was a tournament that was largely full of scrub teams, with only like 4 good teams involved, and none of the serious top tier (I wouldn't put money on mouz against navi quantic or coL, even EG). Thats why I put them lower. At least EG has shown to compete with those top teams whereas mouz doesn't even get matched up with them therefore doens't deserve praise.

Edit: Excuse me, they did beat AL 2-1, but before that it was all BO1's which I can't put as much mind into



http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Dota2Replays_Brawl

another finals Mouz is in they are doing something right (2-0 vs aL, 2-0 vs CLG) and I think aL is on the decline so my top 5 would be something like.

1. Na'Vi
2. coL
3. Quantic(doing well in one tournament is not enough even if it was the defense to beat all of coLs achievments so far)
4. aL (I still think they're on decline but they've done well enough to be here atm still)
5. Mouz/CLG 5 is still up for grabs if Mouz beats coL in the brawl finals I'll put em slightly ahead.
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 03:01:46
March 08 2012 03:01 GMT
#3699
Ok now that the RAIDCALL tournament is over which GAMES would everyone recommend?

Semi 1: AL VS MouZ - Any games? (I saw the unspoilered results)
Semi 2: CLG VS Western - Any worth watching?
Finals: I'll probably watch all games in the finals, unless they were incredibly boring.
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
March 08 2012 03:05 GMT
#3700
What are all of CoL's achievements? The only thing I see is 2nd in the premier league on the DotA 2 wiki. I would love if a US team could become really good and dota, but its never happened before outside of fear and demon.
I think Navi, Quantic, and EG are top three because they've been in the scene for so long. Once dota 2 stabilizes they should show how powerful they are.
In Mushi we trust
Prev 1 183 184 185 186 187 6534 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
#84
WardiTV1086
IntoTheiNu 999
OGKoka 451
Rex129
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 451
Lowko286
SortOf 160
Rex 129
Ryung 27
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10376
Sea 2721
Jaedong 2012
EffOrt 1011
Hyuk 543
BeSt 534
Mini 512
actioN 491
Stork 425
ggaemo 329
[ Show more ]
Light 193
ZerO 191
Hyun 144
Snow 126
Killer 119
Rush 91
Pusan 91
Nal_rA 76
PianO 68
ToSsGirL 67
Aegong 52
Sea.KH 52
[sc1f]eonzerg 48
Shinee 42
Free 36
ajuk12(nOOB) 32
Barracks 30
soO 30
Sacsri 28
JYJ 26
Shine 20
scan(afreeca) 19
HiyA 19
GoRush 16
Bale 15
yabsab 13
Sexy 10
Noble 10
Icarus 9
Terrorterran 5
Dota 2
qojqva698
BananaSlamJamma65
Counter-Strike
olofmeister3051
zeus706
byalli628
allub566
x6flipin465
markeloff212
edward136
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King50
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor215
Other Games
singsing2575
B2W.Neo1210
hiko680
XBOCT326
crisheroes263
XaKoH 240
Pyrionflax200
Hui .134
Liquid`LucifroN77
Liquid`VortiX71
ArmadaUGS53
Fuzer 47
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream413
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2195
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
2h 55m
Replay Cast
10h 55m
Replay Cast
19h 55m
Afreeca Starleague
20h 55m
Leta vs YSC
GSL
1d 20h
Rogue vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
2 days
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
IPSL
5 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
IPSL
6 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Jaedong vs Light
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.