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eqez
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden837 Posts
March 07 2012 22:06 GMT
#3681
CLG won 4 games in a row vs mouz

Really well played!
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
March 07 2012 22:06 GMT
#3682
Aw man, I really got to get familiar with bane. Simply not familiar with his animations so I wasnt too sure if he was using Ult or just nightmare. The animations kinda look the same. =/
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 07 2012 22:10 GMT
#3683
On March 08 2012 06:55 flamewheel wrote:
Actually I remember in the relic game 09 on SF picks up a Vanguard explicitly saying "I need something which yields the highest performance-to-cost ratio", but that was a while back.

That was also version 6.64, when Vanguard still gave full block value to ranged heroes.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 07 2012 22:12 GMT
#3684
Pajkatt is so insanely aggressive lol, its a horrifically fun playstyle to watch but I would still say Dendi is the better solo player, Pajkatt is right up there though.

I love CLG though, I want to really see them move up the rankings because in my mind they are a top 5 team right now but really have the potential to move back to Top 3, which is where I believe they were, with EG and Na'Vi right before FIRE made their run and AL did their thing.

Currently I'd put Na'Vi as a clearcut #1, with Quantic a clear #2 followed by coL and AL, 5th is CLG, 6th is the currently slumping EG (they really need Playmate back in my opinion), I'd say Dignitas is playing well enough to deserve #7, followed by mousesports at 8, and itsbulba err, ItsGosu at #9.and WW rounding out my top 10.

Bam
+ Show Spoiler [tldr/cleaner rankings] +

#1 Na'vi
2 Quantic
3 coL
4 AL
5 CLG
6 EG
7Dignitas
8 mouz
9 GoSu
10 Western Wolves
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PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 07 2012 22:14 GMT
#3685
On March 08 2012 07:05 not jack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 06:22 PHILtheTANK wrote:
On March 08 2012 06:14 not jack wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:59 TheYango wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:39 not jack wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:26 cilinder007 wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:19 TheYango wrote:
Even within those restrictions, I think Heaven's Halberd might still be more cost-effective than Vanguard.

I thought even sange is more cost effective, thus even sny


SnY is the worst item in the game. I would say that while Halberd does give a lot for 4k, when you get into that realm of expensive items your opportunity cost increases a lot more, showing why it's rarely gotten in comp games. I know heroes that get good use of it are barely picked either, but they still rarely get it.

Oblivion Staff
Ring of Aquila

How long do I have to keep naming items that are more cost-effective than Vanguard?

Also, the only reason Halberd is "rarely gotten" is because not enough games have been on 6.73. It's been bought very frequently in the last week in G-1 League.

On March 08 2012 02:34 rabidch wrote:
About G-1: WE will ride their momentum and beat DK

DK's got 3 and a half weeks to find a way to beat Tauren Chieftain.


If you think Ring of Aquila is comparable there's no getting through to you.


??? Ring of Aquila is stupidly cost effective, and only takes one item slot for such a cheap and beefy item.


In most situations it's smarter to just keep the RoB. The majority of it's cost-effectiveness comes from that.


Ya well its still not going to be as cost effective on every hero like janggo can be. But on a hero who can really utilize it like morph its wicked sick.
Jieun <3
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 07 2012 22:36 GMT
#3686
That like saying Blademail works best when opposing heroes do high burst damage. Or Diffusal works when you need the Purge. Like thanks Encycolopedia Brown (doesn't even deserve Sherlock).
Get it by your hands...
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 22:55:28
March 07 2012 22:54 GMT
#3687
On March 08 2012 07:36 Judicator wrote:
That like saying Blademail works best when opposing heroes do high burst damage. Or Diffusal works when you need the Purge. Like thanks Encycolopedia Brown (doesn't even deserve Sherlock).


Its not like saying that at all.... its like saying RoA is an extremely cost effective item it just benefits some heroes more.....

GJ on being part of a constructive discussion tho!(maybe Sherlock can tell you thats called sarcasm)
Jieun <3
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 07 2012 22:57 GMT
#3688
On March 08 2012 07:12 Zlasher wrote:
Pajkatt is so insanely aggressive lol, its a horrifically fun playstyle to watch but I would still say Dendi is the better solo player, Pajkatt is right up there though.

I love CLG though, I want to really see them move up the rankings because in my mind they are a top 5 team right now but really have the potential to move back to Top 3, which is where I believe they were, with EG and Na'Vi right before FIRE made their run and AL did their thing.

Currently I'd put Na'Vi as a clearcut #1, with Quantic a clear #2 followed by coL and AL, 5th is CLG, 6th is the currently slumping EG (they really need Playmate back in my opinion), I'd say Dignitas is playing well enough to deserve #7, followed by mousesports at 8, and itsbulba err, ItsGosu at #9.and WW rounding out my top 10.

Bam
+ Show Spoiler [tldr/cleaner rankings] +

#1 Na'vi
2 Quantic
3 coL
4 AL
5 CLG
6 EG
7Dignitas
8 mouz
9 GoSu
10 Western Wolves


Pajkatt makes too many mistakes. His team is forced to bail him out ALOT.
High Risk Low Reward
HypernovA
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada556 Posts
March 07 2012 23:15 GMT
#3689
Can anyone confirm this? I remember in DotA 1 that if an enemy
Bane cast nightmare on one of my teammates I would able To attack my ally and get the sleep on me myself. I can't attack my ally in Dota 2
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 07 2012 23:16 GMT
#3690
On March 08 2012 04:59 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 04:39 not jack wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:26 cilinder007 wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:19 TheYango wrote:
Even within those restrictions, I think Heaven's Halberd might still be more cost-effective than Vanguard.

I thought even sange is more cost effective, thus even sny


SnY is the worst item in the game. I would say that while Halberd does give a lot for 4k, when you get into that realm of expensive items your opportunity cost increases a lot more, showing why it's rarely gotten in comp games. I know heroes that get good use of it are barely picked either, but they still rarely get it.

Oblivion Staff
Ring of Aquila

How long do I have to keep naming items that are more cost-effective than Vanguard?

Also, the only reason Halberd is "rarely gotten" is because not enough games have been on 6.73. It's been bought very frequently in the last week in G-1 League.

Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 02:34 rabidch wrote:
About G-1: WE will ride their momentum and beat DK

DK's got 3 and a half weeks to find a way to beat Tauren Chieftain.

Tauren Chieftain isn't the reason why they're winning, though it's pretty funny to see in action.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 23:45:40
March 07 2012 23:30 GMT
#3691
edit nevermind my memory sucks.

my top 5 would probably be

na'vi
quantic
coL
aL
CLG
(mouz) if mouz had even split with CLG (they do lifetime 2-2) today I think they'd deserve 5 but they threw hard.

these 5 are more about recent accomplishments rather than who i think is best etc., EG I'm not sure could be argued as top10 right now, which really sucks because they are so talented.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
March 07 2012 23:32 GMT
#3692
On March 08 2012 08:15 HypernovA wrote:
Can anyone confirm this? I remember in DotA 1 that if an enemy
Bane cast nightmare on one of my teammates I would able To attack my ally and get the sleep on me myself. I can't attack my ally in Dota 2

Bug. Getting fixed.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 23:38:20
March 07 2012 23:37 GMT
#3693
On March 08 2012 08:32 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 08:15 HypernovA wrote:
Can anyone confirm this? I remember in DotA 1 that if an enemy
Bane cast nightmare on one of my teammates I would able To attack my ally and get the sleep on me myself. I can't attack my ally in Dota 2

Bug. Getting fixed.


its fixed on test servers, so this thursday
High Risk Low Reward
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 08 2012 00:28 GMT
#3694
FearSC stream isnt the Fear from EG right? twitch.tv/fearsc??
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 01:06:11
March 08 2012 00:29 GMT
#3695
On March 08 2012 08:30 crms wrote:
edit nevermind my memory sucks.

my top 5 would probably be

na'vi
quantic
coL
aL
CLG
(mouz) if mouz had even split with CLG (they do lifetime 2-2) today I think they'd deserve 5 but they threw hard.

these 5 are more about recent accomplishments rather than who i think is best etc., EG I'm not sure could be argued as top10 right now, which really sucks because they are so talented.


I can't take mouz too seriously when their only notable performance lately was a tournament that was largely full of scrub teams, with only like 4 good teams involved, and none of the serious top tier (I wouldn't put money on mouz against navi quantic or coL, even EG). Thats why I put them lower. At least EG has shown to compete with those top teams whereas mouz doesn't even get matched up with them therefore doens't deserve praise.

Edit: Excuse me, they did beat AL 2-1, but before that it was all BO1's which I can't put as much mind into
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 08 2012 00:30 GMT
#3696
On March 08 2012 09:28 NB wrote:
FearSC stream isnt the Fear from EG right? twitch.tv/fearsc??


no fear from eg is www.twitch.tv/feardarkness
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 08 2012 01:22 GMT
#3697
On March 08 2012 09:29 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 08:30 crms wrote:
edit nevermind my memory sucks.

my top 5 would probably be

na'vi
quantic
coL
aL
CLG
(mouz) if mouz had even split with CLG (they do lifetime 2-2) today I think they'd deserve 5 but they threw hard.

these 5 are more about recent accomplishments rather than who i think is best etc., EG I'm not sure could be argued as top10 right now, which really sucks because they are so talented.


I can't take mouz too seriously when their only notable performance lately was a tournament that was largely full of scrub teams, with only like 4 good teams involved, and none of the serious top tier (I wouldn't put money on mouz against navi quantic or coL, even EG). Thats why I put them lower. At least EG has shown to compete with those top teams whereas mouz doesn't even get matched up with them therefore doens't deserve praise.

Edit: Excuse me, they did beat AL 2-1, but before that it was all BO1's which I can't put as much mind into



you should watch that aL series, exemplifies why mouz is one of the best teams to watch (maybe not best skill yet). I highly recommend them!
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
March 08 2012 02:55 GMT
#3698
On March 08 2012 09:29 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 08:30 crms wrote:
edit nevermind my memory sucks.

my top 5 would probably be

na'vi
quantic
coL
aL
CLG
(mouz) if mouz had even split with CLG (they do lifetime 2-2) today I think they'd deserve 5 but they threw hard.

these 5 are more about recent accomplishments rather than who i think is best etc., EG I'm not sure could be argued as top10 right now, which really sucks because they are so talented.


I can't take mouz too seriously when their only notable performance lately was a tournament that was largely full of scrub teams, with only like 4 good teams involved, and none of the serious top tier (I wouldn't put money on mouz against navi quantic or coL, even EG). Thats why I put them lower. At least EG has shown to compete with those top teams whereas mouz doesn't even get matched up with them therefore doens't deserve praise.

Edit: Excuse me, they did beat AL 2-1, but before that it was all BO1's which I can't put as much mind into



http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Dota2Replays_Brawl

another finals Mouz is in they are doing something right (2-0 vs aL, 2-0 vs CLG) and I think aL is on the decline so my top 5 would be something like.

1. Na'Vi
2. coL
3. Quantic(doing well in one tournament is not enough even if it was the defense to beat all of coLs achievments so far)
4. aL (I still think they're on decline but they've done well enough to be here atm still)
5. Mouz/CLG 5 is still up for grabs if Mouz beats coL in the brawl finals I'll put em slightly ahead.
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 03:01:46
March 08 2012 03:01 GMT
#3699
Ok now that the RAIDCALL tournament is over which GAMES would everyone recommend?

Semi 1: AL VS MouZ - Any games? (I saw the unspoilered results)
Semi 2: CLG VS Western - Any worth watching?
Finals: I'll probably watch all games in the finals, unless they were incredibly boring.
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
March 08 2012 03:05 GMT
#3700
What are all of CoL's achievements? The only thing I see is 2nd in the premier league on the DotA 2 wiki. I would love if a US team could become really good and dota, but its never happened before outside of fear and demon.
I think Navi, Quantic, and EG are top three because they've been in the scene for so long. Once dota 2 stabilizes they should show how powerful they are.
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