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For the BH users out there, he is in my opinion by far the most scary early ganker in the game if you play him correctly, the main problem most have is mana management. Your main goal should be to get to lvl 5, when your q starts to really hurt, you need to just get enough mana to invis 2x and shuriken 2x, and you have an unbelievable amount of early game damage. Quite frankly unless you are against a tank in lane, you can generally just kill them from full.
Run up in WW, hopefully they are at 80% or lower if you WW harassed earlier, pop out, hit em once shuriken, keep hitting them until they get out of melee range, then follow until shuriken is back up, which should finish them. This combo bare minimum will do around 600dmg, and thats if just 2 melee hits and the 2 shurikens.
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On March 01 2012 13:49 Varth wrote:
For the BH users out there, he is in my opinion by far the most scary early ganker in the game if you play him correctly, the main problem most have is mana management. Your main goal should be to get to lvl 5, when your q starts to really hurt, you need to just get enough mana to invis 2x and shuriken 2x, and you have an unbelievable amount of early game damage. Quite frankly unless you are against a tank in lane, you can generally just kill them from full.
Run up in WW, hopefully they are at 80% or lower if you WW harassed earlier, pop out, hit em once shuriken, keep hitting them until they get out of melee range, then follow until shuriken is back up, which should finish them. This combo bare minimum will do around 600dmg, and thats if just 2 melee hits and the 2 shurikens.
not to poop on your party, but the scariest early ganker in the game (by far) is a good furion.
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On March 01 2012 13:04 Hoban wrote:
Omg Dendi divers. That is such a great name. Yea had a game where I was BH solo short lane as dire. Denied tons of farm so I just went treads+drums when I could. I think the really big thing is that if you get really behind on farm, you absolutely need to be at every team fight at lvl 6 and on. I was just really patient with my engagements and never overextended and ended up making tons of money just off bounty+assist gold. I am definitely seeing the merit in having bounty hunter though. An even trade automatically favors the team with the BH by a very large margin.
Tbh I hate the battlefury route. I don't think BH should ever be played like a true carry. Track basically lets you get kill money for assists and also gives your carry even more money for getting kills. Battlefury may give you better farming but by missing even a fraction of the team fights you are denying your team a ton of gold.
I said it almost about 1million time that BH is not a late game but a (great) ganker who especially shines in early to mid game. People keep getting bfury on him to amplify his farming power.......that completely defeats the purpose of his ulti, i mean, go play PA if you really wanna play bfury farming game ffs. not to mention that i did help back then to tweak BH's ulti, he was quite a confusing hero before the tweak and the added new skill jinada was meant to give him a little bit extra scaling for late game but people see that as another Coup de grâce...
A BH who doesnt help to gank and gets no toss in early game always makes me pulling my hair. do people realize how insane amount of gold you can get if the tracked hero was killed by anyone in your team? all BH needs is a thread+vlarmir+1 personal preference/situational item for mana regen/slightly increased mana pool. that said, i dont see BH will be played in tourney anytime soon.
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On March 01 2012 13:53 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:49 Varth wrote:
For the BH users out there, he is in my opinion by far the most scary early ganker in the game if you play him correctly, the main problem most have is mana management. Your main goal should be to get to lvl 5, when your q starts to really hurt, you need to just get enough mana to invis 2x and shuriken 2x, and you have an unbelievable amount of early game damage. Quite frankly unless you are against a tank in lane, you can generally just kill them from full.
Run up in WW, hopefully they are at 80% or lower if you WW harassed earlier, pop out, hit em once shuriken, keep hitting them until they get out of melee range, then follow until shuriken is back up, which should finish them. This combo bare minimum will do around 600dmg, and thats if just 2 melee hits and the 2 shurikens. not to poop on your party, but the scariest early ganker in the game (by far) is a good furion.
i tend to think of furion as a remote trilane/roamer than ganker... his mid game ganking is shit but early game is huge...
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On March 01 2012 13:55 BurningSera wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 13:04 Hoban wrote:
Omg Dendi divers. That is such a great name. Yea had a game where I was BH solo short lane as dire. Denied tons of farm so I just went treads+drums when I could. I think the really big thing is that if you get really behind on farm, you absolutely need to be at every team fight at lvl 6 and on. I was just really patient with my engagements and never overextended and ended up making tons of money just off bounty+assist gold. I am definitely seeing the merit in having bounty hunter though. An even trade automatically favors the team with the BH by a very large margin.
Tbh I hate the battlefury route. I don't think BH should ever be played like a true carry. Track basically lets you get kill money for assists and also gives your carry even more money for getting kills. Battlefury may give you better farming but by missing even a fraction of the team fights you are denying your team a ton of gold. I said it almost about 1million time that BH is not a late game but a (great) ganker who especially shines in early to mid game. People keep getting bfury on him to amplify his farming power.......that completely defeats the purpose of his ulti, i mean, go play PA if you really wanna play bfury farming game ffs. not to mention that i did help back then to tweak BH's ulti, he was quite a confusing hero before the tweak and the added new skill jinada was meant to give him a little bit extra scaling for late game but people see that as another Coup de grâce... A BH who doesnt help to gank and gets no toss in early game always makes me pulling my hair. do people realize how insane amount of gold you can get if the tracked hero was killed by anyone in your team? all BH needs is a thread+vlarmir+1 personal preference/situational item for mana regen/slightly increased mana pool. that said, i dont see BH will be played in tourney anytime soon.
Please don't get Vladmir's on BH, it adds no survivability, incredibly crappy mana regen due to low INT, and is lifesteal is bad at low levels with your low damage and could even give away positioning if creeps start lifestealing all of a sudden while you are hiding.
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On March 01 2012 14:21 kethers wrote:
Please don't get Vladmir's on BH, it adds no survivability, incredibly crappy mana regen due to low INT, and is lifesteal is bad at low levels with your low damage and could even give away positioning if creeps start lifestealing all of a sudden while you are hiding.
Vlad's is fine as a later item if your team has 1-2 other melee carries.
But yeah, early on it's pretty terrible.
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On March 01 2012 14:19 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:53 rabidch wrote:On March 01 2012 13:49 Varth wrote:
For the BH users out there, he is in my opinion by far the most scary early ganker in the game if you play him correctly, the main problem most have is mana management. Your main goal should be to get to lvl 5, when your q starts to really hurt, you need to just get enough mana to invis 2x and shuriken 2x, and you have an unbelievable amount of early game damage. Quite frankly unless you are against a tank in lane, you can generally just kill them from full.
Run up in WW, hopefully they are at 80% or lower if you WW harassed earlier, pop out, hit em once shuriken, keep hitting them until they get out of melee range, then follow until shuriken is back up, which should finish them. This combo bare minimum will do around 600dmg, and thats if just 2 melee hits and the 2 shurikens. not to poop on your party, but the scariest early ganker in the game (by far) is a good furion. i tend to think of furion as a remote trilane/roamer than ganker... his mid game ganking is shit but early game is huge...
you're still ganking. and midgame follows from early game. if ganks are successful towers will probably be down very quick, ending up in a well oiled team
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Yea I would only get valds after you have drums+treads and 1-2 core items (vanguard, deso, butterfly, bkb are the 4 I go with most). His ult is so insanely powerful though. I haven't really tried out bottle though, I tend to prefer vanguard and proper mana management and leave runes to my mid. I just can't get over how ridiculous his ult is. I have seen a few tournament games with him as a pick and I don't think it is a gimmicky thing. He is a great teamfight hero with his ult.
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On March 01 2012 14:21 kethers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:55 BurningSera wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 13:04 Hoban wrote:
Omg Dendi divers. That is such a great name. Yea had a game where I was BH solo short lane as dire. Denied tons of farm so I just went treads+drums when I could. I think the really big thing is that if you get really behind on farm, you absolutely need to be at every team fight at lvl 6 and on. I was just really patient with my engagements and never overextended and ended up making tons of money just off bounty+assist gold. I am definitely seeing the merit in having bounty hunter though. An even trade automatically favors the team with the BH by a very large margin.
Tbh I hate the battlefury route. I don't think BH should ever be played like a true carry. Track basically lets you get kill money for assists and also gives your carry even more money for getting kills. Battlefury may give you better farming but by missing even a fraction of the team fights you are denying your team a ton of gold. I said it almost about 1million time that BH is not a late game but a (great) ganker who especially shines in early to mid game. People keep getting bfury on him to amplify his farming power.......that completely defeats the purpose of his ulti, i mean, go play PA if you really wanna play bfury farming game ffs. not to mention that i did help back then to tweak BH's ulti, he was quite a confusing hero before the tweak and the added new skill jinada was meant to give him a little bit extra scaling for late game but people see that as another Coup de grâce... A BH who doesnt help to gank and gets no toss in early game always makes me pulling my hair. do people realize how insane amount of gold you can get if the tracked hero was killed by anyone in your team? all BH needs is a thread+vlarmir+1 personal preference/situational item for mana regen/slightly increased mana pool. that said, i dont see BH will be played in tourney anytime soon. Please don't get Vladmir's on BH, it adds no survivability, incredibly crappy mana regen due to low INT, and is lifesteal is bad at low levels with your low damage and could even give away positioning if creeps start lifestealing all of a sudden while you are hiding.
Won't the vlads aura have no effect on creeps if you're invis?
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On March 01 2012 15:02 DoNotDisturb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 14:21 kethers wrote:On March 01 2012 13:55 BurningSera wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 13:04 Hoban wrote:
Omg Dendi divers. That is such a great name. Yea had a game where I was BH solo short lane as dire. Denied tons of farm so I just went treads+drums when I could. I think the really big thing is that if you get really behind on farm, you absolutely need to be at every team fight at lvl 6 and on. I was just really patient with my engagements and never overextended and ended up making tons of money just off bounty+assist gold. I am definitely seeing the merit in having bounty hunter though. An even trade automatically favors the team with the BH by a very large margin.
Tbh I hate the battlefury route. I don't think BH should ever be played like a true carry. Track basically lets you get kill money for assists and also gives your carry even more money for getting kills. Battlefury may give you better farming but by missing even a fraction of the team fights you are denying your team a ton of gold. I said it almost about 1million time that BH is not a late game but a (great) ganker who especially shines in early to mid game. People keep getting bfury on him to amplify his farming power.......that completely defeats the purpose of his ulti, i mean, go play PA if you really wanna play bfury farming game ffs. not to mention that i did help back then to tweak BH's ulti, he was quite a confusing hero before the tweak and the added new skill jinada was meant to give him a little bit extra scaling for late game but people see that as another Coup de grâce... A BH who doesnt help to gank and gets no toss in early game always makes me pulling my hair. do people realize how insane amount of gold you can get if the tracked hero was killed by anyone in your team? all BH needs is a thread+vlarmir+1 personal preference/situational item for mana regen/slightly increased mana pool. that said, i dont see BH will be played in tourney anytime soon. Please don't get Vladmir's on BH, it adds no survivability, incredibly crappy mana regen due to low INT, and is lifesteal is bad at low levels with your low damage and could even give away positioning if creeps start lifestealing all of a sudden while you are hiding. Won't the vlads aura have no effect on creeps if you're invis?
yes. i dont know why people even bring it up.
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On March 01 2012 15:07 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 15:02 DoNotDisturb wrote:On March 01 2012 14:21 kethers wrote:On March 01 2012 13:55 BurningSera wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 13:04 Hoban wrote:
Omg Dendi divers. That is such a great name. Yea had a game where I was BH solo short lane as dire. Denied tons of farm so I just went treads+drums when I could. I think the really big thing is that if you get really behind on farm, you absolutely need to be at every team fight at lvl 6 and on. I was just really patient with my engagements and never overextended and ended up making tons of money just off bounty+assist gold. I am definitely seeing the merit in having bounty hunter though. An even trade automatically favors the team with the BH by a very large margin.
Tbh I hate the battlefury route. I don't think BH should ever be played like a true carry. Track basically lets you get kill money for assists and also gives your carry even more money for getting kills. Battlefury may give you better farming but by missing even a fraction of the team fights you are denying your team a ton of gold. I said it almost about 1million time that BH is not a late game but a (great) ganker who especially shines in early to mid game. People keep getting bfury on him to amplify his farming power.......that completely defeats the purpose of his ulti, i mean, go play PA if you really wanna play bfury farming game ffs. not to mention that i did help back then to tweak BH's ulti, he was quite a confusing hero before the tweak and the added new skill jinada was meant to give him a little bit extra scaling for late game but people see that as another Coup de grâce... A BH who doesnt help to gank and gets no toss in early game always makes me pulling my hair. do people realize how insane amount of gold you can get if the tracked hero was killed by anyone in your team? all BH needs is a thread+vlarmir+1 personal preference/situational item for mana regen/slightly increased mana pool. that said, i dont see BH will be played in tourney anytime soon. Please don't get Vladmir's on BH, it adds no survivability, incredibly crappy mana regen due to low INT, and is lifesteal is bad at low levels with your low damage and could even give away positioning if creeps start lifestealing all of a sudden while you are hiding. Won't the vlads aura have no effect on creeps if you're invis? yes. i dont know why people even bring it up.
Notice I say hiding, not in WW =)
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On March 01 2012 15:24 kethers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 15:07 rabidch wrote:On March 01 2012 15:02 DoNotDisturb wrote:On March 01 2012 14:21 kethers wrote:On March 01 2012 13:55 BurningSera wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 01 2012 13:04 Hoban wrote:
Omg Dendi divers. That is such a great name. Yea had a game where I was BH solo short lane as dire. Denied tons of farm so I just went treads+drums when I could. I think the really big thing is that if you get really behind on farm, you absolutely need to be at every team fight at lvl 6 and on. I was just really patient with my engagements and never overextended and ended up making tons of money just off bounty+assist gold. I am definitely seeing the merit in having bounty hunter though. An even trade automatically favors the team with the BH by a very large margin.
Tbh I hate the battlefury route. I don't think BH should ever be played like a true carry. Track basically lets you get kill money for assists and also gives your carry even more money for getting kills. Battlefury may give you better farming but by missing even a fraction of the team fights you are denying your team a ton of gold. I said it almost about 1million time that BH is not a late game but a (great) ganker who especially shines in early to mid game. People keep getting bfury on him to amplify his farming power.......that completely defeats the purpose of his ulti, i mean, go play PA if you really wanna play bfury farming game ffs. not to mention that i did help back then to tweak BH's ulti, he was quite a confusing hero before the tweak and the added new skill jinada was meant to give him a little bit extra scaling for late game but people see that as another Coup de grâce... A BH who doesnt help to gank and gets no toss in early game always makes me pulling my hair. do people realize how insane amount of gold you can get if the tracked hero was killed by anyone in your team? all BH needs is a thread+vlarmir+1 personal preference/situational item for mana regen/slightly increased mana pool. that said, i dont see BH will be played in tourney anytime soon. Please don't get Vladmir's on BH, it adds no survivability, incredibly crappy mana regen due to low INT, and is lifesteal is bad at low levels with your low damage and could even give away positioning if creeps start lifestealing all of a sudden while you are hiding. Won't the vlads aura have no effect on creeps if you're invis? yes. i dont know why people even bring it up. Notice I say hiding, not in WW =)
Why would anyone hide outside of WW, especially with vlads ~_~
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On March 01 2012 14:19 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:53 rabidch wrote:On March 01 2012 13:49 Varth wrote:
For the BH users out there, he is in my opinion by far the most scary early ganker in the game if you play him correctly, the main problem most have is mana management. Your main goal should be to get to lvl 5, when your q starts to really hurt, you need to just get enough mana to invis 2x and shuriken 2x, and you have an unbelievable amount of early game damage. Quite frankly unless you are against a tank in lane, you can generally just kill them from full.
Run up in WW, hopefully they are at 80% or lower if you WW harassed earlier, pop out, hit em once shuriken, keep hitting them until they get out of melee range, then follow until shuriken is back up, which should finish them. This combo bare minimum will do around 600dmg, and thats if just 2 melee hits and the 2 shurikens. not to poop on your party, but the scariest early ganker in the game (by far) is a good furion. i tend to think of furion as a remote trilane/roamer than ganker... his mid game ganking is shit but early game is huge...
the ability to get to anywhere on the map, you have a galobal nuke and a potentialy 3-5 second insnare is fucking amazing for ganking, you dont solo gank naturaly but anytime your team intiates any sort of gank on any hero you are there to garantuee the kill
and I dont understand people who say its so easy to counter sprout with tangos, how many heros carry around a bunch of tangos at 20 minutes into the game
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I didn't learn until the other day when I was on Riki that changing treads kills the invis lol.I was trying to switch to Str Treads when I was low life running away from a fight and then they spotted me and killed me.
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On March 01 2012 16:16 Zlasher wrote:
I didn't learn until the other day when I was on Riki that changing treads kills the invis lol.I was trying to switch to Str Treads when I was low life running away from a fight and then they spotted me and killed me.
Changing treads is based off of WC3 fan of knives, it just does 0 damage. That's why you can use it to wake up creeps and aggro them out of your natural range as well while pulling.
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On March 01 2012 13:55 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 13:04 Hoban wrote:
Omg Dendi divers. That is such a great name. Yea had a game where I was BH solo short lane as dire. Denied tons of farm so I just went treads+drums when I could. I think the really big thing is that if you get really behind on farm, you absolutely need to be at every team fight at lvl 6 and on. I was just really patient with my engagements and never overextended and ended up making tons of money just off bounty+assist gold. I am definitely seeing the merit in having bounty hunter though. An even trade automatically favors the team with the BH by a very large margin.
Tbh I hate the battlefury route. I don't think BH should ever be played like a true carry. Track basically lets you get kill money for assists and also gives your carry even more money for getting kills. Battlefury may give you better farming but by missing even a fraction of the team fights you are denying your team a ton of gold. I said it almost about 1million time that BH is not a late game but a (great) ganker who especially shines in early to mid game. People keep getting bfury on him to amplify his farming power.......that completely defeats the purpose of his ulti, i mean, go play PA if you really wanna play bfury farming game ffs. not to mention that i did help back then to tweak BH's ulti, he was quite a confusing hero before the tweak and the added new skill jinada was meant to give him a little bit extra scaling for late game but people see that as another Coup de grâce... A BH who doesnt help to gank and gets no toss in early game always makes me pulling my hair. do people realize how insane amount of gold you can get if the tracked hero was killed by anyone in your team? all BH needs is a thread+vlarmir+1 personal preference/situational item for mana regen/slightly increased mana pool. that said, i dont see BH will be played in tourney anytime soon.
Just played a game as BH, and I can vouch for no Bfury build. I started ganking after phase+janggo, and I got so much more gold than what I could have farmed with bfury.
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buying a bfury and participating in fights are not exclusive of one another
you can do one and still do the other...
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^^^^
It's cost efficient damage, and it allows you to quickly clear neutrals and push out lanes in between ganks/fights.
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On March 01 2012 16:48 not jack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 16:16 Zlasher wrote:
I didn't learn until the other day when I was on Riki that changing treads kills the invis lol.I was trying to switch to Str Treads when I was low life running away from a fight and then they spotted me and killed me. Changing treads is based off of WC3 fan of knives, it just does 0 damage. That's why you can use it to wake up creeps and aggro them out of your natural range as well while pulling.
Did not know this, thanks. :o
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On March 01 2012 16:10 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 14:19 NB wrote:On March 01 2012 13:53 rabidch wrote:On March 01 2012 13:49 Varth wrote:
For the BH users out there, he is in my opinion by far the most scary early ganker in the game if you play him correctly, the main problem most have is mana management. Your main goal should be to get to lvl 5, when your q starts to really hurt, you need to just get enough mana to invis 2x and shuriken 2x, and you have an unbelievable amount of early game damage. Quite frankly unless you are against a tank in lane, you can generally just kill them from full.
Run up in WW, hopefully they are at 80% or lower if you WW harassed earlier, pop out, hit em once shuriken, keep hitting them until they get out of melee range, then follow until shuriken is back up, which should finish them. This combo bare minimum will do around 600dmg, and thats if just 2 melee hits and the 2 shurikens. not to poop on your party, but the scariest early ganker in the game (by far) is a good furion. i tend to think of furion as a remote trilane/roamer than ganker... his mid game ganking is shit but early game is huge... the ability to get to anywhere on the map, you have a galobal nuke and a potentialy 3-5 second insnare is fucking amazing for ganking, you dont solo gank naturaly but anytime your team intiates any sort of gank on any hero you are there to garantuee the kill and I dont understand people who say its so easy to counter sprout with tangos, how many heros carry around a bunch of tangos at 20 minutes into the game
not that many, but that is the reason I always buy quelling blade vs furion unless I am like rylai or something.
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