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lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
March 01 2012 10:05 GMT
#3281
Bh needs nothing more than treads and an aquila, then run around ganking and tracking. Its like the item was designed for him. Drum isgood to. I actually think euls might be interesting to try, not sure if it's worth it though. If you play bh as more a gold enabling ganker, than a semicarry.
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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
March 01 2012 10:55 GMT
#3282
I want to shake the hand of whoever thought of/made getting Force Staff on Skeleton King popular.
ffxiv enjoyer
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
March 01 2012 11:16 GMT
#3283
Oh Lord I had a game a few days ago as Prophet, and tried Maelk's ethereal/dagon build (think it was maelk)

Shit's hilarious
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 12:14:03
March 01 2012 12:13 GMT
#3284
On March 01 2012 20:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Oh Lord I had a game a few days ago as Prophet, and tried Maelk's ethereal/dagon build (think it was maelk)

Shit's hilarious

Hey that's not fair, that's precisely my Terrorblade build(With Force Staff).
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Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 12:30:21
March 01 2012 12:29 GMT
#3285
BH shouldn't be getting anything other than Threads>Aquila>Medallion before going perma-gank mode. It's head-on-desk stupidity to play seriously and go BF/BKB/Deso/Vlad before leaving the jungle. Your team will get something like an extra 400-900 gpm even from picking off 1-2 people every so often from a gank if you go sharking.
Not to mention he simply isn't a hard-carry and has no escape option, so stealing the woods/lanes from a true hard carry is going to make you lose if the opposition has something like AM or Spec/Weaver.

Besides, wards/dust is not that common early/mid-game so you are basically a roaming observer ward. Whereas endgame you're basically someone who can hit hard every 6 seconds, but have no initiation or escape tools.
BaBaUTZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany146 Posts
March 01 2012 13:18 GMT
#3286
I dont get why everyone wants treads on BH. Phase boots are better for ganking, as they give you better chasing potential and the raw damage it gives leads to higher initial damage due to BHs crit mechanic. BH needs high damage way more than attack speed imho.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
March 01 2012 13:23 GMT
#3287
On March 01 2012 22:18 BaBaUTZ wrote:
I dont get why everyone wants treads on BH. Phase boots are better for ganking, as they give you better chasing potential and the raw damage it gives leads to higher initial damage due to BHs crit mechanic. BH needs high damage way more than attack speed imho.


Free hp brah
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
March 01 2012 13:34 GMT
#3288
On March 01 2012 18:18 hideo wrote:
^^^^

It's cost efficient damage, and it allows you to quickly clear neutrals and push out lanes in between ganks/fights.


It's not cost efficient. A deso is cheaper and much stronger, an MKB is 1000 gold more expensive but a lot stronger too.

Battlefury is a terrible item in itself, it's like Hand of Midas. You must capitalise on the farming benefits very quickly if you build it, since the stats it gives for it's cost is bad. That's why recommending unexperienced people to build a Battlefury on certain heroes every time is a bad idea, it's a situational item. If you can buy it very quickly it's going to benefit you a lot on the long run, but it's mind blowing to see a BH with a claymore and a perseverance at the 30th min mark.

Besides, why would you want to clear neutrals and push lanes with BH. Every hero can do that, however you have invisibility and a unique skill in the game that allows for extra gold gained from kills. Any kill you miss out on because you're farming neutrals with BH is a mistake. BH needs to farm heroes, not creeps.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 01 2012 13:48 GMT
#3289
On March 01 2012 16:16 Zlasher wrote:
I didn't learn until the other day when I was on Riki that changing treads kills the invis lol.I was trying to switch to Str Treads when I was low life running away from a fight and then they spotted me and killed me.


LOL. Dota Bloopers 101, featuring Zlasher.
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
March 01 2012 14:00 GMT
#3290
On March 01 2012 22:23 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 22:18 BaBaUTZ wrote:
I dont get why everyone wants treads on BH. Phase boots are better for ganking, as they give you better chasing potential and the raw damage it gives leads to higher initial damage due to BHs crit mechanic. BH needs high damage way more than attack speed imho.


Free hp brah

More like free mana or hp.

Thing is, bh is all about burst, and a huge amount of that comes from ww and toss, boosting you mana pool means you can gank more before needing to regen, and get an extra toss/ww compared to phase. If you have to chase, you're going to die, especially with phase - you have all of 700 hp. The ideal bh tank is break ww, track (insert allied abilites), toss, true carry gets the kill. The longer the fight lasts, the more likely you are to die. Phase gives you about an extra 60-70 on your jinada early game, and then loses to treads in terms of dps fairly rapidly.

I can see the argument for phase, but I just don't like them - too fragile and too one dimensional. Get your burst crit damage from other items, get better utility from your boots.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 14:47:03
March 01 2012 14:39 GMT
#3291
On March 01 2012 16:09 DoNotDisturb wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 01 2012 15:24 kethers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 15:07 rabidch wrote:
On March 01 2012 15:02 DoNotDisturb wrote:
On March 01 2012 14:21 kethers wrote:
On March 01 2012 13:55 BurningSera wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 01 2012 13:04 Hoban wrote:
Omg Dendi divers. That is such a great name. Yea had a game where I was BH solo short lane as dire. Denied tons of farm so I just went treads+drums when I could. I think the really big thing is that if you get really behind on farm, you absolutely need to be at every team fight at lvl 6 and on. I was just really patient with my engagements and never overextended and ended up making tons of money just off bounty+assist gold. I am definitely seeing the merit in having bounty hunter though. An even trade automatically favors the team with the BH by a very large margin.

Tbh I hate the battlefury route. I don't think BH should ever be played like a true carry. Track basically lets you get kill money for assists and also gives your carry even more money for getting kills. Battlefury may give you better farming but by missing even a fraction of the team fights you are denying your team a ton of gold.


I said it almost about 1million time that BH is not a late game but a (great) ganker who especially shines in early to mid game. People keep getting bfury on him to amplify his farming power.......that completely defeats the purpose of his ulti, i mean, go play PA if you really wanna play bfury farming game ffs. not to mention that i did help back then to tweak BH's ulti, he was quite a confusing hero before the tweak and the added new skill jinada was meant to give him a little bit extra scaling for late game but people see that as another Coup de grâce...

A BH who doesnt help to gank and gets no toss in early game always makes me pulling my hair. do people realize how insane amount of gold you can get if the tracked hero was killed by anyone in your team? all BH needs is a thread+vlarmir+1 personal preference/situational item for mana regen/slightly increased mana pool. that said, i dont see BH will be played in tourney anytime soon.


Please don't get Vladmir's on BH, it adds no survivability, incredibly crappy mana regen due to low INT, and is lifesteal is bad at low levels with your low damage and could even give away positioning if creeps start lifestealing all of a sudden while you are hiding.


Won't the vlads aura have no effect on creeps if you're invis?

yes. i dont know why people even bring it up.


Notice I say hiding, not in WW =)


Why would anyone hide outside of WW, especially with vlads ~_~


Conserving mana is very important for BH because of his low mana pool in the earlier stages of the game, and Vlad's does very little in terms of adding to his mana. Always being in WW not only gives you little farm in lane, but is a waste of mana. There are also times you just want to be out of LoS due to some passive harass or the like, spamming your WW at the slightest touch is also a waste of mana that BH cannot afford.

I've seen it often enough that the enemy gives away positioning due to their auras that I thought it was worth mentioning.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 15:54:56
March 01 2012 15:14 GMT
#3292
There is no particularly good reason to hide in WW with Bounty since he gains no passive benefits from his mode of invisibility (i.e. Run speed increase --> Clinkz WW) as well as was said his mana pool is "DEAR GOD" Awful. (Broodwar people will get this ) Use it for ganks, or an escape mechanism if things get dicey.

Vlads is a terrible item on BH, absolutely terrible. This should not be even your 3rd or 4th big item that you get, maybe 4th, and even then if there is no other melee it's a waste.

There is already a mountain of excellent advice on BH in the past few pages, let's not keep drilling a hole into the canyon is my impression of pages #164 & #165
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
March 01 2012 15:47 GMT
#3293
Hype HYPE HYPE HYPE!!!

Today's Defense game is going to be so good!
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
March 01 2012 16:06 GMT
#3294
On March 02 2012 00:47 Hassybaby wrote:
Hype HYPE HYPE HYPE!!!

Today's Defense game is going to be so good!



when/where CET or London time?

TL's calendar doesn't show DOTA 2 events, right?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 16:26:14
March 01 2012 16:25 GMT
#3295
It doesn't to my knowledge but just go to www.joindota.com has all the matches on the side. The time itself is 7CET for mtw vs dig(itsgosu) and 8CET for Quantic vs EG
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
March 01 2012 16:46 GMT
#3296
On March 01 2012 22:18 BaBaUTZ wrote:
I dont get why everyone wants treads on BH. Phase boots are better for ganking, as they give you better chasing potential and the raw damage it gives leads to higher initial damage due to BHs crit mechanic. BH needs high damage way more than attack speed imho.


BH is quite squishy. Phase can be taken if you're doing well in lane and maybe with a couple of kills and you want the chasing power, but PT offers so much more in diversity; switching to INT before spell-casting, AGI for laning and last-hitting, STR for survivability. 6 STR comes out to an extra 114 HP that can help you survive in a team fight or gank, especially if the other team decides to disable or FF you down.
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
March 01 2012 16:57 GMT
#3297
On March 02 2012 01:25 Numy wrote:
It doesn't to my knowledge but just go to www.joindota.com has all the matches on the side. The time itself is 7CET for mtw vs dig(itsgosu) and 8CET for Quantic vs EG


thanks!
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 01 2012 17:17 GMT
#3298
On March 02 2012 01:46 kethers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 22:18 BaBaUTZ wrote:
I dont get why everyone wants treads on BH. Phase boots are better for ganking, as they give you better chasing potential and the raw damage it gives leads to higher initial damage due to BHs crit mechanic. BH needs high damage way more than attack speed imho.


BH is quite squishy. Phase can be taken if you're doing well in lane and maybe with a couple of kills and you want the chasing power, but PT offers so much more in diversity; switching to INT before spell-casting, AGI for laning and last-hitting, STR for survivability. 6 STR comes out to an extra 114 HP that can help you survive in a team fight or gank, especially if the other team decides to disable or FF you down.

BH doesn't actually need the additional movespeed when hes chasing. Usually you have track and you hit Jinada, and that's enough. Can't even spam it to get across the map since you're usually in WW.
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kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 17:26:11
March 01 2012 17:25 GMT
#3299
On March 02 2012 02:17 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 01:46 kethers wrote:
On March 01 2012 22:18 BaBaUTZ wrote:
I dont get why everyone wants treads on BH. Phase boots are better for ganking, as they give you better chasing potential and the raw damage it gives leads to higher initial damage due to BHs crit mechanic. BH needs high damage way more than attack speed imho.


BH is quite squishy. Phase can be taken if you're doing well in lane and maybe with a couple of kills and you want the chasing power, but PT offers so much more in diversity; switching to INT before spell-casting, AGI for laning and last-hitting, STR for survivability. 6 STR comes out to an extra 114 HP that can help you survive in a team fight or gank, especially if the other team decides to disable or FF you down.

BH doesn't actually need the additional movespeed when hes chasing. Usually you have track and you hit Jinada, and that's enough. Can't even spam it to get across the map since you're usually in WW.


It's very situational, and there won't be many times that I would get Phase over PT, but there is always situations where it might be useful for chasing down a hero with high MS or Blink. The 20% through Track is already a lot, but if there are heroes like Slardar, Invoker, or WR with her skill, with high MS, it can still be useful in certain circumstances to have Phase.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 01 2012 17:42 GMT
#3300
I just got a virus attempt from a fake-ad when I tried to visit JoinDota.com and my AV blocked the website......???
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