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lozarian
United Kingdom1043 Posts
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Shit's hilarious | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 01 2012 20:16 Hassybaby wrote: Oh Lord I had a game a few days ago as Prophet, and tried Maelk's ethereal/dagon build (think it was maelk) Shit's hilarious Hey that's not fair, that's precisely my Terrorblade build(With Force Staff). | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
Not to mention he simply isn't a hard-carry and has no escape option, so stealing the woods/lanes from a true hard carry is going to make you lose if the opposition has something like AM or Spec/Weaver. Besides, wards/dust is not that common early/mid-game so you are basically a roaming observer ward. Whereas endgame you're basically someone who can hit hard every 6 seconds, but have no initiation or escape tools. | ||
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BaBaUTZ
Germany146 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On March 01 2012 22:18 BaBaUTZ wrote: I dont get why everyone wants treads on BH. Phase boots are better for ganking, as they give you better chasing potential and the raw damage it gives leads to higher initial damage due to BHs crit mechanic. BH needs high damage way more than attack speed imho. Free hp brah | ||
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EtherealBlade
660 Posts
On March 01 2012 18:18 hideo wrote: ^^^^ It's cost efficient damage, and it allows you to quickly clear neutrals and push out lanes in between ganks/fights. It's not cost efficient. A deso is cheaper and much stronger, an MKB is 1000 gold more expensive but a lot stronger too. Battlefury is a terrible item in itself, it's like Hand of Midas. You must capitalise on the farming benefits very quickly if you build it, since the stats it gives for it's cost is bad. That's why recommending unexperienced people to build a Battlefury on certain heroes every time is a bad idea, it's a situational item. If you can buy it very quickly it's going to benefit you a lot on the long run, but it's mind blowing to see a BH with a claymore and a perseverance at the 30th min mark. Besides, why would you want to clear neutrals and push lanes with BH. Every hero can do that, however you have invisibility and a unique skill in the game that allows for extra gold gained from kills. Any kill you miss out on because you're farming neutrals with BH is a mistake. BH needs to farm heroes, not creeps. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
On March 01 2012 16:16 Zlasher wrote: I didn't learn until the other day when I was on Riki that changing treads kills the invis lol.I was trying to switch to Str Treads when I was low life running away from a fight and then they spotted me and killed me. LOL. Dota Bloopers 101, featuring Zlasher. | ||
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lozarian
United Kingdom1043 Posts
More like free mana or hp. Thing is, bh is all about burst, and a huge amount of that comes from ww and toss, boosting you mana pool means you can gank more before needing to regen, and get an extra toss/ww compared to phase. If you have to chase, you're going to die, especially with phase - you have all of 700 hp. The ideal bh tank is break ww, track (insert allied abilites), toss, true carry gets the kill. The longer the fight lasts, the more likely you are to die. Phase gives you about an extra 60-70 on your jinada early game, and then loses to treads in terms of dps fairly rapidly. I can see the argument for phase, but I just don't like them - too fragile and too one dimensional. Get your burst crit damage from other items, get better utility from your boots. | ||
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On March 01 2012 16:09 DoNotDisturb wrote: + Show Spoiler + Why would anyone hide outside of WW, especially with vlads ~_~ Conserving mana is very important for BH because of his low mana pool in the earlier stages of the game, and Vlad's does very little in terms of adding to his mana. Always being in WW not only gives you little farm in lane, but is a waste of mana. There are also times you just want to be out of LoS due to some passive harass or the like, spamming your WW at the slightest touch is also a waste of mana that BH cannot afford. I've seen it often enough that the enemy gives away positioning due to their auras that I thought it was worth mentioning. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
 ) Use it for ganks, or an escape mechanism if things get dicey. Vlads is a terrible item on BH, absolutely terrible. This should not be even your 3rd or 4th big item that you get, maybe 4th, and even then if there is no other melee it's a waste. There is already a mountain of excellent advice on BH in the past few pages, let's not keep drilling a hole into the canyon is my impression of pages #164 & #165 | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Today's Defense game is going to be so good! | ||
Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On March 02 2012 00:47 Hassybaby wrote: Hype HYPE HYPE HYPE!!! Today's Defense game is going to be so good! when/where CET or London time? TL's calendar doesn't show DOTA 2 events, right? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On March 01 2012 22:18 BaBaUTZ wrote: I dont get why everyone wants treads on BH. Phase boots are better for ganking, as they give you better chasing potential and the raw damage it gives leads to higher initial damage due to BHs crit mechanic. BH needs high damage way more than attack speed imho. BH is quite squishy. Phase can be taken if you're doing well in lane and maybe with a couple of kills and you want the chasing power, but PT offers so much more in diversity; switching to INT before spell-casting, AGI for laning and last-hitting, STR for survivability. 6 STR comes out to an extra 114 HP that can help you survive in a team fight or gank, especially if the other team decides to disable or FF you down. | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On March 02 2012 01:25 Numy wrote: It doesn't to my knowledge but just go to www.joindota.com has all the matches on the side. The time itself is 7CET for mtw vs dig(itsgosu) and 8CET for Quantic vs EG thanks! | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On March 02 2012 01:46 kethers wrote: BH is quite squishy. Phase can be taken if you're doing well in lane and maybe with a couple of kills and you want the chasing power, but PT offers so much more in diversity; switching to INT before spell-casting, AGI for laning and last-hitting, STR for survivability. 6 STR comes out to an extra 114 HP that can help you survive in a team fight or gank, especially if the other team decides to disable or FF you down. BH doesn't actually need the additional movespeed when hes chasing. Usually you have track and you hit Jinada, and that's enough. Can't even spam it to get across the map since you're usually in WW. | ||
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On March 02 2012 02:17 rabidch wrote: BH doesn't actually need the additional movespeed when hes chasing. Usually you have track and you hit Jinada, and that's enough. Can't even spam it to get across the map since you're usually in WW. It's very situational, and there won't be many times that I would get Phase over PT, but there is always situations where it might be useful for chasing down a hero with high MS or Blink. The 20% through Track is already a lot, but if there are heroes like Slardar, Invoker, or WR with her skill, with high MS, it can still be useful in certain circumstances to have Phase. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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