EPTI thought it was eight, but you should double check the announcement.
The post-TI3 Roster Shuffle thread - Page 127
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
I thought it was eight, but you should double check the announcement. | ||
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:00 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I thought it was eight, but you should double check the announcement. ? it says 8 teams (5 online qual 3 invite) qualify for the invitational where u need 3 na players and 4 teams qualify from the invitational to columbus no word on an open bracket | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:01 Kraznaya wrote: ? it says 8 teams (5 online qual 3 invite) qualify for the invitational where u need 3 na players and 4 teams qualify from the invitational to columbus no word on an open bracket I'm confusing the invitational and the actual event. I don't think their LoL events have ever had open brackets though so it should be a safe bet. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
The Invitationals are 8 teams (3 invites + 5 qualifiers) with a 4 team play-off finals at the LAN at Full Sail Uni. Winner of that LAN gets invitation to MLG Columbus although the rest of the details haven't been announced. Not sure if it's invite only or there will Open qualifiers at the event. | ||
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x256
Canada28 Posts
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:23 x256 wrote: Interesting http://dotaland.net/2013/08/30/ace-alliances-king-makes-statement/ Thanks for the link! Interesting read, especially the top 3 invite. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
If it is about the DotA 2 team... I don't think it would be about their CS:GO team because their new roster was announced awhile ago. Hmmm :o Edit: Also the Ace letter, lets see if they follow through. All of the top Chinese teams are attending NEST tournament, so I guess he isn't lying. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:23 x256 wrote: Interesting http://dotaland.net/2013/08/30/ace-alliances-king-makes-statement/ Does this statement deserve its own thread? It's pretty long, has important news and answers/dodges a lot of questions. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I'm confusing the invitational and the actual event. I don't think their LoL events have ever had open brackets though so it should be a safe bet. It's hard to say what Columbus will look like imo. Riot was always so influential in LoL at MLG so chances are Dota 2 looks completely different. I doubt there will be an open bracket of sorts. Mainly because I don't think there is much of a demand of one. I'm thinking some group stages with top teams that are invited. No one knows if MLG will be paying for travel and such. Outside of The International, the US doesn't have LAN events for Dota. Will top teams from Europe fly over to the US on their own dime? Will MLG make the prize pool big enough to justify that? Too many questions right now. If I had to guess, it will probably look a lot like a DreamHack without the BYOC bracket. | ||
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babylon
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For example, a sponsor puts out 1 million RMB to hold an event, and they see that in the daytime the teams and players are playing in their big money event, yet later in the evening they’re playing in small prize online matches, then the result can only be one of two things. The first is that this sponsor decides to lower future investments, they will feel that the players’ aren’t worth as much. If they can invest 100k and get the same players, then why pay more? The second possibility is that the sponsor feels deceived, and completely pulls out of future inviestments. Of course, there’s a third option in which the sponsor continues on as if nothing has happened, and in this case then it is due to either the event is very profitable for them, or that they are directly involved with the game, as the game’s developers or such. Does this really happen? I haven't been involved in too many eSports scenes, but looking at SC2 (and even War3), for example, small online cups and such have quite a few heavy hitters playing in them, but it's pretty much accepted that they'll play worse than they otherwise would at, say, a huge LAN event. If that's the case, then sponsors sponsoring higher prize pool tournaments are not sponsoring these tournaments for "big names" but rather for the quality of play and the LAN atmosphere, which is ... pretty reasonable, I think. He is proposing some good changes, though, even if some of them seem very up-in-the-air and not very well-thought out atm. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On August 30 2013 12:07 jmbthirteen wrote: It's hard to say what Columbus will look like imo. Riot was always so influential in LoL at MLG so chances are Dota 2 looks completely different. I doubt there will be an open bracket of sorts. Mainly because I don't think there is much of a demand of one. I'm thinking some group stages with top teams that are invited. No one knows if MLG will be paying for travel and such. Outside of The International, the US doesn't have LAN events for Dota. Will top teams from Europe fly over to the US on their own dime? Will MLG make the prize pool big enough to justify that? Too many questions right now. If I had to guess, it will probably look a lot like a DreamHack without the BYOC bracket. we could also fly in chinese teams | ||
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thebig1
248 Posts
On August 30 2013 12:10 babylon wrote: Does this really happen? I haven't been involved in too many eSports scenes, but looking at SC2 (and even War3), for example, small online cups and such have quite a few heavy hitters playing in them, but it's pretty much accepted that they'll play worse than they otherwise would at, say, a huge LAN event. If that's the case, then sponsors sponsoring higher prize pool tournaments are not sponsoring these tournaments for "big names" but rather for the quality of play and the LAN atmosphere, which is ... pretty reasonable, I think. He is proposing some good changes, though, even if some of them seem very up-in-the-air and not very well-thought out atm. Sponsors (Apparently unless you are Red Bull, and then you seem to sponsor things, esports or otherwise, just because you can) do it to get eyes on their product/service. Nearly all of the marketing people behind those companies don't really know much about the game, and don't really care how good the games are, beyond the fact that if they are terrible people will turn it off. "We'll have the biggest names" is one of the easiest way to sell to them. Esports is an environment where events need to search out sponsors, and not the other way around. You have a bunch of competitors who just want to compete, and (as evidence by the tiny cups) would do it for next to nothing. As a result of those two facts, saying "why pay 1000k, when we can get the same teams for 100k?" seems like something that actually would happen. In other sports you don't ONLY get big sponsorship amounts because of the amount of viewers. It's also because sponsors end up fighting each other to have their name on something. To give a hypothetical example (and it might be a bad one because they are both probably owned by the same parent company): Corona might offer the Super Bowl 2 million dollars to be a title sponsor, and Budweiser $1 million. Budweiser might then find out, and raise their offer to $3 million. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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LDdota
United States1465 Posts
On August 30 2013 12:50 BurningSera wrote: What a pile of sh*t from King, I have no trust in ACE at all and seeing how people flame him so badly in his weibo reply, I am not the only who think the same. How is what he said a pile of shit? Of course people are flaming, it's enraged fans who want results and need someone to blame after how TI3 went. | ||
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
On August 30 2013 12:46 Kipsate wrote: What we have right now is, why invest into a LAN event when you can get teams like Na'vi play for a 10k online cup and get a massive viewer base. This is exactly it. I don't remember the personality who said it or what interview it was in but they basically said "the dirty little secret is, we would do all this for free." Indeed this is somewhat the root of the problem in making esports into something more. All these kids who are the "professionals" for the most part have little to no business sense and therefore we lack things such as a players union. The ideas that King has about making the top teams exclusive in order to secure higher sponsorship inflow is not bad in theory, but it is bad when there are not enough sponsors willing to put forth the money to create these kind of premier events. Then you have exactly the situation we are in now. How to fix it is for someone with much more intimate knowledge of the inenrworkings of esports than myself. What you can say for sure though, is that if you make the prize big enough you will get a much much larger audience. Sure 80k people might tune in to watch Na'vi vs Alliance for 10k dollars. But if it was 100k and had the proper advertising to build hype I bet the viewer numbers would double at the very least. The problem is showing these correlations to potential sponsors which I think EG has become pretty good at. Anyway this was a huge derailment I'll be happy for KP if they are under the dignitas flag. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On August 30 2013 12:50 BurningSera wrote: What a pile of sh*t from King, I have no trust in ACE at all and seeing how people flame him so badly in his weibo reply, I am not the only who think the same. Care to explain the logic behind your post? I think his post was well-thought out and had good logic in it. It's not an easy solution if you want to "regulate" esports, and while you can argue that eSports doesn't need a regulatory body, there are also arguments that regulating eSports adds credibility for it and will help it move into the next stage of its growth. | ||
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thebig1
248 Posts
On August 30 2013 13:03 Snorkle wrote: This is exactly it. I don't remember the personality who said it or what interview it was in but they basically said "the dirty little secret is, we would do all this for free." Indeed this is somewhat the root of the problem in making esports into something more. All these kids who are the "professionals" for the most part have little to no business sense and therefore we lack things such as a players union. The ideas that King has about making the top teams exclusive in order to secure higher sponsorship inflow is not bad in theory, but it is bad when there are not enough sponsors willing to put forth the money to create these kind of premier events. It's unfair to call them kids for that. It's true for all the professional sports. Most players don't want anything to do with the politics of the sport, and just want to play the game that they love. You just saw some of that with the NHL. As a result, they need people to handle that stuff for them. Difference is that those sports have organizations are both strong, and old enough that when they make an unpopular, or in hindsight incorrect, decisions they aren't stomped out by the fans. From that post it seems he is willing to own up to the mistakes that he made, and work towards fixing them. Really, at this point that's all you can really ask for. With enough work, and failed attempts things will get there eventually. | ||
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