EPTThe last rites of LGDint
Need that Kaipi tag more than ever now
The post-TI3 Roster Shuffle thread - Page 129
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
The last rites of LGDint Need that Kaipi tag more than ever now | ||
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On August 30 2013 20:25 opterown wrote: yeah other than those two i meant. $500 per month is not... livable. Welcome to east Europe. Official average salary in Bulgaria - 527 usd.(month) Anyway... as a Na'Vi fan, I hope for no changes or if any - AA back pls. | ||
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treeqt
Germany237 Posts
Na `Vi (TBA, TBA, TBA, TBA, TBA) : D | ||
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Lodasrecedinhairline
United Kingdom165 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On August 30 2013 20:54 treeqt wrote: http://dota2.starladder.tv/news/3792 Na `Vi (TBA, TBA, TBA, TBA, TBA) : D Looks like Crazy, Illidan and KSi have teamed up with Jotm (not sure who he is, just know he's a popular Russian streamer/stand-in) and some random guy. Also notable is that the remaining TTD (ex-iCCup) players are not there even though they placed well last season. I'm guessing the team's going to disband with the players all taking up the random TBAs in that list. I heard Mag~~ was a possible name being thrown around as having joined Empire, but can't recall when I heard it. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On August 30 2013 20:54 treeqt wrote: http://dota2.starladder.tv/news/3792 Na `Vi (TBA, TBA, TBA, TBA, TBA) : D where the hell is mousesports there??? earlier I read Fata- tried out for Kaipi and now the Team is not listed for the new SL season. ish dont like! mouz, please dont make me sad. | ||
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LDdota
United States1465 Posts
On August 30 2013 20:15 renfree wrote: Do you really want to test new strat in a big league and each lost match could mean you not getting into the playoffs, when you have around 10 matches per 2 months? REALLY? You seems to not getting it LD, thats why EU went so ahead strategy-wise - they had tons of small events to test shit. Scrims mean nothing, nothing at all, you don't risk anything, you don't put effort into this, i'm surprised how you're not getting it. EU teams simply used small online events as scrims. Look at NFL football for an example, teams don't get lots of "small matches to test shit" (16 games per season and a cutthroat race all the way to the playoffs), yet teams are still innovating, pulling out crazy strategies in important games, and taking risks all the time. Anyway, Redbull ECL and Alienware Cup provided plenty of games where teams had the chance to mess around, both of them with full group stages (ECL in the group stages at the LAN before the knockout rounds began and AW Cup the entire freaking group stage which was virtually meaningless). Also, saying scrims are useless is just flat out silly. Look at Korean SC2; there's one big event for the players, yet their scene is still superior and still on top simply because they have superior practice conditions and a better support system for the players (coaches, staff that provide for their daily needs so they can focus on the game, team houses, proper salaries, which BTW the majority of Western/SEA Dota teams STILL do not have, etc), and those practice conditions primarily come into play in *practice games* that mean 'nothing' and in which 'nothing' is risked. You still see all kinds of crazy cheese all the time. To be honest, the bigger problem for the Chinese teams wasn't the number of tournaments these teams got to play in, it was just that many of them had huge internal issues which limited their ability to draft and play properly. iG and LGD in particular had massive internal issues which crippled their chances from the get go. Let's just say that it was surprising they even achieved what they did given what was going on behind the scenes before and during the event. Meanwhile, the two Chinese teams that didn't have massive internal struggle, DK and Tongfu, were the two that performed really well overall and frankly were a hair's breadth from making it to the finals (Tongfu vs Na'Vi fountain hooks and DK really misplaying vs Orange at Rosh in deciding G3 come to mind) | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
I think it would do the Chinese scene good to have one online tournament series which runs like 3 seasons per year and guarantees that teams get some officials regularly. And given the current state, it wouldn't be hard to have this not overlap with the same time slots as big Lan events even thought it can run the same dates. Because another problem is that nothing in China overlaps, which means if you go out early in a league, you fail to qualify. You don't have anywhere to play. But that to a degree goes back to the main concerns from ACE, but I think there's some leeway in having simultaneous leagues and not making the teams less valuable to TO's. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
A bit unexpected, they were doing quite well. | ||
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treeqt
Germany237 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:03 zul wrote: where the hell is mousesports there??? earlier I read Fata- tried out for Kaipi and now the Team is not listed for the new SL season. ish dont like! mouz, please dont make me sad. They are pretty much done from what I can tell. | ||
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Fatalize
France5210 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:19 Ramiz1989 wrote: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/news/25224-turmoil-in-vici-gaming-as-cty-leaves-rotk-and-super-as-possible-replacements A bit unexpected, they were doing quite well. CTY probably got really good offers (DK? LGD? IG?) considering how impressive he was during the few tournaments they played before TI3 | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:04 LDdota wrote: That's true, the Chinese teams were playing poorly relative to themselves in the past as well, not just relative to the western teams.To be honest, the bigger problem for the Chinese teams wasn't the number of tournaments these teams got to play in, it was just that many of them had huge internal issues which limited their ability to draft and play properly. iG and LGD in particular had massive internal issues which crippled their chances from the get go. Let's just say that it was surprising they even achieved what they did given what was going on behind the scenes before and during the event. Meanwhile, the two Chinese teams that didn't have massive internal struggle, DK and Tongfu, were the two that performed really well overall and frankly were a hair's breadth from making it to the finals (Tongfu vs Na'Vi fountain hooks and DK really misplaying vs Orange at Rosh in deciding G3 come to mind) | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:21 Fatalize wrote: CTY probably got really good offers (DK? LGD? IG?) considering how impressive he was during the few tournaments they played before TI3 Could be, I am also interested in 820 making an comeback. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
The Ro128 features 128 Chinese teams including the big teams (pretty much all of them), but since they haven't finalized rosters, was wondering if the organizers are going to delay this or forfeit pretty much every top tier team. http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/news/25219-nest-kicking-off-1st-september | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
On August 30 2013 20:54 treeqt wrote: http://dota2.starladder.tv/news/3792 Na `Vi (TBA, TBA, TBA, TBA, TBA) : D We'll know by next week. A part of me is saying that this may be them just making us tense. | ||
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tapes
487 Posts
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:19 Ramiz1989 wrote: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/news/25224-turmoil-in-vici-gaming-as-cty-leaves-rotk-and-super-as-possible-replacements A bit unexpected, they were doing quite well. Thats disappointing, VG were a strong new organization that with some more time could have challenged the more established teams. Instead they have had their squad cannibalized by the big teams (mainly cty) | ||
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:51 EnumaAvalon wrote: We'll know by next week. A part of me is saying that this may be them just making us tense. Yeah I think Navi is just screwing with people | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:57 tapes wrote: According to the JoinDota article Na'Vi just hasn't confirmed their participation. Could just as well be something totally different. Alex Kokhanovskyy @zerogravity_ua 18h The announcement of announcement will appear early next week. | ||
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renfree
4485 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:04 LDdota wrote: Look at NFL football for an example, teams don't get lots of "small matches to test shit" (16 games per season and a cutthroat race all the way to the playoffs), yet teams are still innovating, pulling out crazy strategies in important games, and taking risks all the time. Anyway, Redbull ECL and Alienware Cup provided plenty of games where teams had the chance to mess around, both of them with full group stages (ECL in the group stages at the LAN before the knockout rounds began and AW Cup the entire freaking group stage which was virtually meaningless). Also, saying scrims are useless is just flat out silly. Look at Korean SC2; there's one big event for the players, yet their scene is still superior and still on top simply because they have superior practice conditions and a better support system for the players (coaches, staff that provide for their daily needs so they can focus on the game, team houses, proper salaries, which BTW the majority of Western/SEA Dota teams STILL do not have, etc), and those practice conditions primarily come into play in *practice games* that mean 'nothing' and in which 'nothing' is risked. You still see all kinds of crazy cheese all the time. LD, if you are defending Chinese system of 1 big league at a time so much, i'll give you an example. Lets say we have this 1 league running, 1 month for groups and 1 month for playoffs. Now lets say a team due to a various reasons (including testing crazy strats) goes out after groupstage, what do they have? Not a single game for a whole month and then some time for the next league to start. Not one. Zero. Nada. And they can't join some GEST or AMD while waiting, cause ACE restricted them. | ||
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