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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
August 30 2013 18:12 GMT
#2601
the websites saying that CTY and Fy left and ZSMJ might retire is not true

hue

yall jumped the gun again
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
August 30 2013 18:35 GMT
#2602
On August 31 2013 02:13 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:43 teapoted wrote:
On August 31 2013 01:23 renfree wrote:
ACE allowed big 3 to participate in AWC and ECL to give these teams an opportunity to practice before TI3, which King has specifically stated. I'm not convinced by his statement, that this will remain the same in the future, TI4 is a year away.
You're drawing some wrong conclusions here.
They changed their policies before TI3. They didn't 'let teams compete in those specifically to prepare for TI3 and will after that point go back to the same things."


This is correct interpretation of events.

ACE doesn't need to force brand development strategy on the big teams. They will be doing it themselves as it is in their own interest - either because prize money is too small or because the tournaments demand an exclusivity contract out of the teams. For premier tournaments, ACE may be able to influence what terms go in the exclusivity contract, but ACE will not be able to prevent an exclusivity contract from happening.

The specific instance of ACE intervention was GEST and AMD and this was to give 2nd tier teams a chance at survival, and it is precisely because of a lack of an amateur scene that supported those teams before. Dota2 was just not out and available for players. The later reversal was to get everyone some more practice. As long as there is an amateur scene, there is no need for ACE intervention.

My interpretation is that the Chinese failure is more due to a lack of a vibrant amateur + pub scene rather than top down decrees from ACE. As I understand it China was >> West in dota1 because of more players and a much more competitive pub scene which in turn fueled a more professional and higher skilled pro scene. But valve has been much much slower to release dota2 in china than in the west which effectively killed the Chinese amateur and pub scene, with a majority of players staying with dota1 or moving to lol. The big chinese teams could ride their raw accumulated skill from dota1 for a while but eventually the lack of constant pressure from lower tier teams and pub stars meant that they started falling behind.
If Perfect World or Valve can get the chinese to start play dota2 to the same extent as they played dota1, which probably means bringing people _back_ from lol at this point... the big Chinese teams will be fine. If not I dont think it matters what ACE does, they will fall into mediocrity no matter what.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
LDdota
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1465 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 19:46:53
August 30 2013 19:44 GMT
#2603
Yeah, that's a really, really important point. Perfect World just moved Dota 2 into open beta like a week ago. Now we can only hope that the game catches on and reaches a similar level of popularity as Dota 1 has, but it will be tough because of the foothold LoL has already established, as well as the fact that the game simply might not run / play well on old LAN shop PCs, which as far as I understand is a huge part of the gaming culture in China.
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
August 30 2013 23:25 GMT
#2604
Thank you for the update! ^^

Cant wait to see vanskor play aswell!
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-30 23:33:25
August 30 2013 23:32 GMT
#2605
On August 31 2013 04:44 LDdota wrote:
Yeah, that's a really, really important point. Perfect World just moved Dota 2 into open beta like a week ago. Now we can only hope that the game catches on and reaches a similar level of popularity as Dota 1 has, but it will be tough because of the foothold LoL has already established, as well as the fact that the game simply might not run / play well on old LAN shop PCs, which as far as I understand is a huge part of the gaming culture in China.


lan shop pcs in china are not bad and will handle dota2, cuz shitty computer lanshops close down since pcs are very affordable atm.

the trouble lies in getting ppl to switch over. i doubt dota2 will ever be as popular as dota1 in china or the rest of the world.
Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
August 30 2013 23:35 GMT
#2606
http://www.tcm-gaming.net/articles/News/Dota2/761/TCM-Gaming-release-the-Dota-2-team/
TCM released their Dota 2 team, seems like their captain GoAudio has joined "aSpera" who will compete in the upcoming Star Ladder Season 7
Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
August 31 2013 01:46 GMT
#2607
Demon currently streaming, in a skype call with Universe, MSS, Jeyo and Fear. New EG lineup? Seems legit. Actually the only thing that is abnormal is MSS being in the call so if anything that might mean something.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
August 31 2013 01:49 GMT
#2608
i'd be surprised if demon stayed with EG
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 02:00:07
August 31 2013 01:59 GMT
#2609
On August 31 2013 10:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd be surprised if demon stayed with EG


Demon, Fear, and Jeyo all staying.

+ Universe
+ Brax
+ MSS

Pick 2.

Pretty much 90% ensured the EG roster will include the above. Would be willing to bet the farm on it. Pretty big open secret.
secret - never again
NbSky
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada1023 Posts
August 31 2013 02:01 GMT
#2610
EG universe confirmed ~~
Sandstorm@USEast | The Last Pride [EviL] GW2 | Nb.Sky
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 31 2013 02:05 GMT
#2611
On August 31 2013 10:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd be surprised if demon stayed with EG

why? demon and fear are best friends.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 31 2013 02:20 GMT
#2612
On August 31 2013 10:59 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 10:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd be surprised if demon stayed with EG


Demon, Fear, and Jeyo all staying.

+ Universe
+ Brax
+ MSS

Pick 2.

Pretty much 90% ensured the EG roster will include the above. Would be willing to bet the farm on it. Pretty big open secret.

Strange thing about that lineup is that most of them are slotted into too few roles. Demon, Jeyo, Universe, and Brax are all generally 2-3 position players, to the best of my knowledge. MSS (despite having already announced that his family has forbidden him from entering competitive DOTA2) is the only person that regularly plays support, perhaps along with Fear, who is an amazing 1 position player. It could very well be that a few of their roles will end up feeling forced and ineffective. We'll have to wait and see.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 31 2013 02:23 GMT
#2613
On August 31 2013 11:20 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 10:59 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 31 2013 10:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd be surprised if demon stayed with EG


Demon, Fear, and Jeyo all staying.

+ Universe
+ Brax
+ MSS

Pick 2.

Pretty much 90% ensured the EG roster will include the above. Would be willing to bet the farm on it. Pretty big open secret.

Strange thing about that lineup is that most of them are slotted into too few roles. Demon, Jeyo, Universe, and Brax are all generally 2-3 position players, to the best of my knowledge. MSS (despite having already announced that his family has forbidden him from entering competitive DOTA2) is the only person that regularly plays support, perhaps along with Fear, who is an amazing 1 position player. It could very well be that a few of their roles will end up feeling forced and ineffective. We'll have to wait and see.


Jeyo seems to have embraced the 4/5 pretty well, and its reasonable to assume the 5th will also be a support. Fear/Demon/Universe/Jeyo/XXX
secret - never again
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 31 2013 02:38 GMT
#2614
On August 31 2013 11:23 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 11:20 Acritter wrote:
On August 31 2013 10:59 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 31 2013 10:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd be surprised if demon stayed with EG


Demon, Fear, and Jeyo all staying.

+ Universe
+ Brax
+ MSS

Pick 2.

Pretty much 90% ensured the EG roster will include the above. Would be willing to bet the farm on it. Pretty big open secret.

Strange thing about that lineup is that most of them are slotted into too few roles. Demon, Jeyo, Universe, and Brax are all generally 2-3 position players, to the best of my knowledge. MSS (despite having already announced that his family has forbidden him from entering competitive DOTA2) is the only person that regularly plays support, perhaps along with Fear, who is an amazing 1 position player. It could very well be that a few of their roles will end up feeling forced and ineffective. We'll have to wait and see.


Jeyo seems to have embraced the 4/5 pretty well, and its reasonable to assume the 5th will also be a support. Fear/Demon/Universe/Jeyo/XXX

Has he been shifting? I haven't watched his stream in a long time, and last time I saw him in competitive, he was 2 position mid. It would certainly help with EG's new lineup if he could be relied upon for support. Now, if only they could get Brax, they'd have a fantastic 3 position who could mop up if Demon started to throw and help clear the space Fear needs in order to become unstoppable. Not meaning to trash Universe's offlane play, but I've regarded Brax with a sort of reverence since that TI3 game where he blocked a pull camp for like ten minutes as Clockwerk.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
August 31 2013 02:53 GMT
#2615
On August 31 2013 11:38 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 11:23 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 31 2013 11:20 Acritter wrote:
On August 31 2013 10:59 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 31 2013 10:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd be surprised if demon stayed with EG


Demon, Fear, and Jeyo all staying.

+ Universe
+ Brax
+ MSS

Pick 2.

Pretty much 90% ensured the EG roster will include the above. Would be willing to bet the farm on it. Pretty big open secret.

Strange thing about that lineup is that most of them are slotted into too few roles. Demon, Jeyo, Universe, and Brax are all generally 2-3 position players, to the best of my knowledge. MSS (despite having already announced that his family has forbidden him from entering competitive DOTA2) is the only person that regularly plays support, perhaps along with Fear, who is an amazing 1 position player. It could very well be that a few of their roles will end up feeling forced and ineffective. We'll have to wait and see.


Jeyo seems to have embraced the 4/5 pretty well, and its reasonable to assume the 5th will also be a support. Fear/Demon/Universe/Jeyo/XXX

Has he been shifting? I haven't watched his stream in a long time, and last time I saw him in competitive, he was 2 position mid. It would certainly help with EG's new lineup if he could be relied upon for support. Now, if only they could get Brax, they'd have a fantastic 3 position who could mop up if Demon started to throw and help clear the space Fear needs in order to become unstoppable. Not meaning to trash Universe's offlane play, but I've regarded Brax with a sort of reverence since that TI3 game where he blocked a pull camp for like ten minutes as Clockwerk.


when EG runs wisps, a lot of the time Jeyo takes it... soooo i guess he could be
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 31 2013 02:53 GMT
#2616
good to see the EG throwing arm is still as strong as ever
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 31 2013 02:55 GMT
#2617
i guess watching ixdl games gives us a small insight into how EG actually throws their games.
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
August 31 2013 02:55 GMT
#2618
I really hope that isn't the new EG roster rofl
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 31 2013 03:00 GMT
#2619
I have no idea why anyone in Vici would leave right now. ATM they have defaulted into the strongest team in China, and given how roster setbacks will affect teams as they learn to play together (further increasing mistakes) they already have an advantage an established team. Realistically, a Vici that retains their strongest players SHOULD be one of the top 3 chinese teams come a month from now. The question after that is if other teams would surpass them.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
August 31 2013 03:03 GMT
#2620
So from IXDL right now, looks like Fear, Demon, Jeyo, Universe and MSS
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
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