• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:19
CEST 19:19
KST 02:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202540Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up5LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced55
StarCraft 2
General
Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025 Would you prefer the game to be balanced around top-tier pro level or average pro level? Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up How to leave Master league - bug fix?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
Nobody gona talk about this year crazy qualifiers? Help, I can't log into staredit.net How do the new Battle.net ranks translate? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine 9/11 Anniversary Possible Al Qaeda Attack on 9/11
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 577 users

The post-TI3 Roster Shuffle thread - Page 132

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 130 131 132 133 134 194 Next
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 31 2013 03:07 GMT
#2621
On August 31 2013 12:03 Dexington wrote:
So from IXDL right now, looks like Fear, Demon, Jeyo, Universe and MSS

i'm pretty sure mss isn't going to play competitively, his parents restricted him from doing so.
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
August 31 2013 03:09 GMT
#2622
On August 31 2013 10:59 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 10:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd be surprised if demon stayed with EG


Demon, Fear, and Jeyo all staying.

+ Universe
+ Brax
+ MSS

Pick 2.

Pretty much 90% ensured the EG roster will include the above. Would be willing to bet the farm on it. Pretty big open secret.

Too bad this team isn't going anywhere then. EG needs to do the same thing DK did - kick everyone but Fear, and build around him from scratch with players motivated to win TI4, not e-bang girls, using their celebrity status.
What can change the nature of a man?
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 31 2013 03:10 GMT
#2623
why does everyone on TL think DeMoN is bad? lol
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 31 2013 03:17 GMT
#2624
On August 31 2013 12:09 renfree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 10:59 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 31 2013 10:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd be surprised if demon stayed with EG


Demon, Fear, and Jeyo all staying.

+ Universe
+ Brax
+ MSS

Pick 2.

Pretty much 90% ensured the EG roster will include the above. Would be willing to bet the farm on it. Pretty big open secret.

Too bad this team isn't going anywhere then. EG needs to do the same thing DK did - kick everyone but Fear, and build around him from scratch with players motivated to win TI4, not e-bang girls, using their celebrity status.


If Fear really wanted to kick Jeyo and DeMoN, he would and could. Thing is, atm he doesn't want to and wont.
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
August 31 2013 03:18 GMT
#2625
On August 31 2013 12:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
why does everyone on TL think DeMoN is bad? lol

He's not bad at all, i would say one of the best in NA, but not dedicated enough for his team to aim for a big goal.
What can change the nature of a man?
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
August 31 2013 03:28 GMT
#2626
Well I know for sure DeMoN is bad at hooks, I've seen them in game personally.
Logic fails because we are lazy.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 31 2013 03:38 GMT
#2627
On August 31 2013 12:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
why does everyone on TL think DeMoN is bad? lol

He's not bad as in low-skill. He's just an insane throw factor at present. Even though he can bring success, he's also a massive liability at the same time, and there's a strong case to be made for replacing him with someone less explosive, who you don't even hope wins their lane, but just doesn't lose it too hard and makes noise around the map so that Fear can farm.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
August 31 2013 03:48 GMT
#2628
On August 31 2013 12:38 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 12:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
why does everyone on TL think DeMoN is bad? lol

He's not bad as in low-skill. He's just an insane throw factor at present. Even though he can bring success, he's also a massive liability at the same time, and there's a strong case to be made for replacing him with someone less explosive, who you don't even hope wins their lane, but just doesn't lose it too hard and makes noise around the map so that Fear can farm.

Or just someone stable who will just solidly deal with whatever's thrown at him
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 31 2013 03:53 GMT
#2629
On August 31 2013 12:48 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 12:38 Acritter wrote:
On August 31 2013 12:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
why does everyone on TL think DeMoN is bad? lol

He's not bad as in low-skill. He's just an insane throw factor at present. Even though he can bring success, he's also a massive liability at the same time, and there's a strong case to be made for replacing him with someone less explosive, who you don't even hope wins their lane, but just doesn't lose it too hard and makes noise around the map so that Fear can farm.

Or just someone stable who will just solidly deal with whatever's thrown at him

That's exactly what I just said. When you have an awesome carry player like Fear, you value stability over everything else. Other teams don't have that same dynamic and would be thrilled to have a more risky, flashy solo mid for the sake of getting the snowball underway (see Na'Vi, for example), but I really don't think that's what EG needs right now.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 31 2013 04:00 GMT
#2630
On August 31 2013 12:53 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 12:48 Shaella wrote:
On August 31 2013 12:38 Acritter wrote:
On August 31 2013 12:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
why does everyone on TL think DeMoN is bad? lol

He's not bad as in low-skill. He's just an insane throw factor at present. Even though he can bring success, he's also a massive liability at the same time, and there's a strong case to be made for replacing him with someone less explosive, who you don't even hope wins their lane, but just doesn't lose it too hard and makes noise around the map so that Fear can farm.

Or just someone stable who will just solidly deal with whatever's thrown at him

That's exactly what I just said. When you have an awesome carry player like Fear, you value stability over everything else. Other teams don't have that same dynamic and would be thrilled to have a more risky, flashy solo mid for the sake of getting the snowball underway (see Na'Vi, for example), but I really don't think that's what EG needs right now.

Universe and Jeyo are fairly consistent players and DeMoN's instability stems from either motivational issues or emotional tilts in games.

I don't see Fear abandoning Demon because they're close friends but even still, it's something Fear has been trying to work around for a long time now in terms of meshing demon's high risk...medium reward play into the team. plus Fear's not invulnerable to tilts either but who is?
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
August 31 2013 04:00 GMT
#2631
On August 31 2013 12:00 Two_DoWn wrote:
I have no idea why anyone in Vici would leave right now. ATM they have defaulted into the strongest team in China, and given how roster setbacks will affect teams as they learn to play together (further increasing mistakes) they already have an advantage an established team. Realistically, a Vici that retains their strongest players SHOULD be one of the top 3 chinese teams come a month from now. The question after that is if other teams would surpass them.

Apparently Cty has attitude problems and this has led to personality clashes. It's still a rumor at this point though.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
zzdd
Profile Joined December 2010
United States484 Posts
August 31 2013 04:14 GMT
#2632
On August 31 2013 11:38 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 11:23 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 31 2013 11:20 Acritter wrote:
On August 31 2013 10:59 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 31 2013 10:49 Shaella wrote:
i'd be surprised if demon stayed with EG


Demon, Fear, and Jeyo all staying.

+ Universe
+ Brax
+ MSS

Pick 2.

Pretty much 90% ensured the EG roster will include the above. Would be willing to bet the farm on it. Pretty big open secret.

Strange thing about that lineup is that most of them are slotted into too few roles. Demon, Jeyo, Universe, and Brax are all generally 2-3 position players, to the best of my knowledge. MSS (despite having already announced that his family has forbidden him from entering competitive DOTA2) is the only person that regularly plays support, perhaps along with Fear, who is an amazing 1 position player. It could very well be that a few of their roles will end up feeling forced and ineffective. We'll have to wait and see.


Jeyo seems to have embraced the 4/5 pretty well, and its reasonable to assume the 5th will also be a support. Fear/Demon/Universe/Jeyo/XXX

Has he been shifting? I haven't watched his stream in a long time, and last time I saw him in competitive, he was 2 position mid. It would certainly help with EG's new lineup if he could be relied upon for support. Now, if only they could get Brax, they'd have a fantastic 3 position who could mop up if Demon started to throw and help clear the space Fear needs in order to become unstoppable. Not meaning to trash Universe's offlane play, but I've regarded Brax with a sort of reverence since that TI3 game where he blocked a pull camp for like ten minutes as Clockwerk.

They switched to try to give Bamboe a spot where he doesn't feed. It didn't work and they switched back.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 31 2013 04:38 GMT
#2633
On August 31 2013 13:00 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 12:53 Acritter wrote:
On August 31 2013 12:48 Shaella wrote:
On August 31 2013 12:38 Acritter wrote:
On August 31 2013 12:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
why does everyone on TL think DeMoN is bad? lol

He's not bad as in low-skill. He's just an insane throw factor at present. Even though he can bring success, he's also a massive liability at the same time, and there's a strong case to be made for replacing him with someone less explosive, who you don't even hope wins their lane, but just doesn't lose it too hard and makes noise around the map so that Fear can farm.

Or just someone stable who will just solidly deal with whatever's thrown at him

That's exactly what I just said. When you have an awesome carry player like Fear, you value stability over everything else. Other teams don't have that same dynamic and would be thrilled to have a more risky, flashy solo mid for the sake of getting the snowball underway (see Na'Vi, for example), but I really don't think that's what EG needs right now.

Universe and Jeyo are fairly consistent players and DeMoN's instability stems from either motivational issues or emotional tilts in games.

I don't see Fear abandoning Demon because they're close friends but even still, it's something Fear has been trying to work around for a long time now in terms of meshing demon's high risk...medium reward play into the team. plus Fear's not invulnerable to tilts either but who is?

Nothing you said there contradicts anything I've said. The issue with Demon is that he throws a lot and isn't an ace mid the rest of the time. Even in only the NA scene, I'd rather have Korok, Bulba, TC, Arteezy, EE, or Jeyo over him. Even Sneyking manages to do the flashy mid thing better. If he cools his jets and starts playing reliably, I'd love to see him on the new EG. That hasn't happened yet, though, so he's still lackluster in my opinion.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 04:48:13
August 31 2013 04:47 GMT
#2634
To be honest EE has really proved himself, hate him or love him. KP is certainly formidable and ultimately Loda was right thus far that even when EE-Sama was kicked off the team, he's still prevalent and very much dedicated. He's consistent if anything else and that's admirable.
Lodasrecedinhairline
Profile Joined August 2013
United Kingdom165 Posts
August 31 2013 05:02 GMT
#2635
I bet people who flame Demon doesn't even watch him play. This is TL forum so I understand the bias but watch the match up between Korok and Demon midlane, Korok lost his lane to Demon way more often than Demon lost to Korok. That's Demon strength, he doesn't lose his lane. His game decision making and his positioning in the later phase of the game however is flat out bad, and that's his big weaknesses.

I don't like him on EG either after I saw him playing LoL with girls. I always think of him as the main reason that EG didn't get the invite. Still, when I watch his stream or his pov in the tournament match, he is just very skilled. And if you watch him play lately on ixdl, he just doesn't lose his lane and he is actually beating rtz mid. For me this is the main reason Fear is keeping him.

Seriously people who hate on him needs to watch his stream just to see how good he is at least in laning stage especially mid. I agree that he's the one that hold the team back not in skill area but in the commitment to the team overall. If he can change his attitude EG will do a lot better.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
August 31 2013 05:04 GMT
#2636
i don't doubt Demon's skill level
I doubt his ability to care.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 31 2013 05:05 GMT
#2637
On August 31 2013 13:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
To be honest EE has really proved himself, hate him or love him. KP is certainly formidable and ultimately Loda was right thus far that even when EE-Sama was kicked off the team, he's still prevalent and very much dedicated. He's consistent if anything else and that's admirable.

Yeah, EE's a pretty good player. I don't know as much about his teamwork, as his stream games make him out to be kind of difficult to play alongside, but maybe he's fine for his teammates. He's also cursed with having a fairly hard-to-decipher voice, poor guy.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
tpmraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 05:18:33
August 31 2013 05:15 GMT
#2638
On August 31 2013 14:02 Lodasrecedinhairline wrote:
I bet people who flame Demon doesn't even watch him play. This is TL forum so I understand the bias but watch the match up between Korok and Demon midlane, Korok lost his lane to Demon way more often than Demon lost to Korok. That's Demon strength, he doesn't lose his lane. His game decision making and his positioning in the later phase of the game however is flat out bad, and that's his big weaknesses.

I don't like him on EG either after I saw him playing LoL with girls. I always think of him as the main reason that EG didn't get the invite. Still, when I watch his stream or his pov in the tournament match, he is just very skilled. And if you watch him play lately on ixdl, he just doesn't lose his lane and he is actually beating rtz mid. For me this is the main reason Fear is keeping him.

Seriously people who hate on him needs to watch his stream just to see how good he is at least in laning stage especially mid. I agree that he's the one that hold the team back not in skill area but in the commitment to the team overall. If he can change his attitude EG will do a lot better.


I watch alot of doto.

I wasn't surprised at the standings in ti3, i think most people who honestly watch and know the scene where not surprised at a navi/alliance final. the only surprise at ti3 was orange.

i watch ALOT of american doto... cause i am an american.

Demon is one of the most skilled american players. GG NR.

To be honest his reputation as a "Throw all the time OMG" is WAY over rated.
I would say he is a top 3 NA mid. You could even argue that he is the BEST NA mid.

But at the end of the day, despite being an amazing player... he is a fucking douchebag.
(⌐■_■) Like a boss
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
August 31 2013 05:47 GMT
#2639
On August 31 2013 12:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
why does everyone on TL think DeMoN is bad? lol


Probably because of his play.
Brood War Forever / NA's premiere Shadow Shaman player / Courier Collector / Bot Game Champion / Highly amateur Mystical Ninja Goemon Speedrunner
Iceman331
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1306 Posts
August 31 2013 06:07 GMT
#2640
Vici Gaming is going to announce their new roster on Monday. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Vici-Gaming/513729982040748


Our Dota 2 team, with the new members, will play in the NEST on September 3rd. We are in the bracket C, and our first match will be against 7龙珠.

You should know everything about our new players on Monday, the day before our first match. We kindly ask you to be patient.

Have a nice weekend.
Prev 1 130 131 132 133 134 194 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RotterdaM Event
16:00
Rotti's All Random #2
RotterdaM911
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 911
Hui .296
ProTech67
EmSc Tv 30
MindelVK 23
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 5577
Flash 3440
Sea 2902
Shuttle 2290
Horang2 1657
firebathero 767
ggaemo 760
Mini 657
Soulkey 409
hero 303
[ Show more ]
BeSt 300
Barracks 263
ZerO 239
Soma 228
Larva 210
Snow 188
Hyuk 129
Mong 116
sorry 104
Dewaltoss 91
Nal_rA 77
TY 53
soO 35
Terrorterran 27
Movie 25
scan(afreeca) 22
sSak 13
Rock 11
IntoTheRainbow 9
JulyZerg 7
Dota 2
Gorgc7517
qojqva4074
XcaliburYe333
Counter-Strike
fl0m1776
zeus330
markeloff202
oskar141
Stewie2K1
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu100
Other Games
Beastyqt497
Lowko439
KnowMe436
Fuzer 175
ArmadaUGS102
Trikslyr71
QueenE62
kaitlyn40
FunKaTv 37
ZerO(Twitch)21
Organizations
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 30
EmSc2Tv 30
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 86
• davetesta41
• LUISG 16
• Reevou 3
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2664
• WagamamaTV646
• Shiphtur249
League of Legends
• Nemesis3199
• Jankos1485
Other Games
• imaqtpie211
Upcoming Events
OSC
6h 41m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
17h 41m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
21h 41m
PiGosaur Monday
1d 6h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 17h
Stormgate Nexus
1d 20h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 22h
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
LiuLi Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
RotterdaM Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.