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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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renfree
4485 Posts
On August 30 2013 05:54 MrCon wrote: Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself. I mean, some carries are still better than other, but let's say a team has a performance rating of 90/100. Changing from random_carry_12 (random carry being any TI3 carry, I'd even say any professional carry) to Burning will put them to 93 or something. While changing their support player from Chuan to random_support_22 will make them go from 90 to 75. Not sure it explains things right but anyway... Carry doesn't make a difference? - http://dotabuff.com/matches/263300623 - Now go eat your words. | ||
Fatalize
France5210 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:30 renfree wrote: Carry doesn't make a difference? - http://dotabuff.com/matches/263300623 - Now go eat your words. Weaver is different in that he can start getting kills and making plays much earlier than let's say Antimage or PL (although teams tend to play a lot of those like naix and alch who can get kills quickly) so it doesnt really show the common impact of a carry player Also it's kind of a bad example since pretty much everybody in this thread agrees that Burning is probably the best carry | ||
teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
burning farms like no other, that doesnt make him the best carry player ppl flaming loda is literally the dumbest shit ive read in this forum for quite some time | ||
Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:13 GranDGranT wrote: People flaming Loda, simply amazing I'll keep doing so until that douche is going to invest that TI3 money into a fucking proper haircut. | ||
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MrHoon
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10183 Posts
He's just an easy target for people because all the other 4 players in Alliance shine so damn bright. | ||
MrCon
France29748 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:30 renfree wrote: Carry doesn't make a difference? - http://dotabuff.com/matches/263300623 - Now go eat your words. I don't understand how it could have any relevance to anything I posted. Perhaps it would have more impact with a line or two of explanation. Or perhaps any other than Burning in those conditions would have ended up beyond godlike. I could post the burning weaver game where he fed the whole game 1vs1, it would still have no relevance whatsoever.. | ||
renfree
4485 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:32 Fatalize wrote: Weaver is different in that he can start getting kills and making plays much earlier than let's say Antimage or PL (although teams tend to play a lot of those like naix and alch who can get kills quickly) so it doesnt really show the common impact of a carry player Also it's kind of a bad example since pretty much everybody in this thread agrees that Burning is probably the best carry I just gave an example to the guy, who was telling, that BurNIng can't carry if his team is doing poorly. That example is from TI3, where Zenith were leading 15-4 and several towers by 25 mins mark, and BurNIng singlehandedly carried the team on his back (they lost both mid and offlane horribly, Super and rOtK were feeding). On August 30 2013 06:40 MrCon wrote: I don't understand how it could have any relevance to anything I posted. Perhaps it would have more impact with a line or two of explanation. Or perhaps any other than Burning in those conditions would have ended up beyond godlike. I could post the burning weaver game where he fed the whole game 1vs1, it would still have no relevance whatsoever.. Maybe go watch the game? Its TI3, the replay is ready and available. | ||
Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Could be a joke or it could be I'm out of touch, but INFOS yay. | ||
treeqt
Germany237 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:19 Comeh wrote: Guys guys. You are talking about a LEGENDARY player here. Don't disrespect him. ok calm down stephen a On August 30 2013 06:18 AwfuL_ wrote: Talk about carries aside (let's face it everyone thinks their favorite players or those on their favorite teams are the better carries, what a surprise), aui_2000 moving to KP makes me wonder. Surely going from a respected sponsor, Dignitas, to what has until now been a rag-tag unsponsored team of random players from two continents, would be a massive downgrade for him. If he is really joining KP, that makes me think that KP has found the sponsor they have been looking for. the current kp is a much much better team than dignitas On August 30 2013 06:24 Fleuria wrote: he's a top notch player but he has problably 2 of the top 5 supports in the lane with him. make that top 3 | ||
MrCon
France29748 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:41 renfree wrote: I just gave an example to the guy, who was telling, that BurNIng can't carry if his team is doing poorly. That example is from TI3, where Zenith were leading 15-4 and several towers by 25 mins mark, and BurNIng singlehandedly carried the team on his back (they lost both mid and offlane horribly, Super and rOtK were feeding). Maybe go watch the game? Its TI3, the replay is ready and available. But a single match example can't disprove (or prove) what I said. Burning carried his team in a game at TI, nice, but it still has no relevance to the discussion. It isn't about Burning skill, it's about burning (or the others) being interchangeable without much repercussion. I'm not saying burning is bad or other nonsense like that here. | ||
Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:50 Asha` wrote: Vanskor confirmed as Empire's 4th Source? And I thought that Sunlight + fng were pretty much the guaranteed support duo. I liked watching those two together, and Vanskor in recent months has been super unimpressive (I'll admit that back when Rox.Kis wasn't incredibly bad he was looking pretty decent). | ||
Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:55 Witten wrote: Source? And I thought that Sunlight + fng were pretty much the guaranteed support duo. I liked watching those two together, and Vanskor in recent months has been super unimpressive (I'll admit that back when Rox.Kis wasn't incredibly bad he was looking pretty decent). http://www.team-empire.org/news/1414/ | ||
pedrlz
Brazil5234 Posts
You can rate players, in my opinion, for their mechanics, map awareness, decision making, reflex, hero pool, etc. | ||
MrCon
France29748 Posts
Alex Kokhanovskyy @zerogravity_ua The announcement of announcement will appear early next week. | ||
Kosak
Czech Republic193 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:04 Kosak wrote: speculation #1337: smile back to na'vi to replace kuroky?!!!!!!!!!!!! if my prediction will be correct, I want a free cookie | ||
ne0lith
537 Posts
On August 30 2013 07:02 Kosak wrote: if my prediction will be correct, I want a free cookie That's like the easiest prediction in the world to make, don't you dare come near my cookies. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Just feel like shouting out that. Mushi seems like for real joining DK??? I mean who else needs a mid like the current DK (with only BurNing left). | ||
ViZe
United States1513 Posts
On August 30 2013 07:16 BurningSera wrote: BurNing is the best carry in this universe. 1v9 all day every day. Just feel like shouting out that. Mushi seems like for real joining DK??? I mean who else needs a mid like the current DK (with only BurNing left). LGD could bring him in with Sylar gone (assuming he is gone, which I sincerely hope he is not) and Rattlesnakes or VG, though I don't think Mushi would take either of those deals | ||
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