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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 29 2013 21:25 GMT
#2461
To be fair I think it was just one person "flaming" Loda (not really flames either), perhaps 2.
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
August 29 2013 21:30 GMT
#2462
On August 30 2013 05:54 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:48 andyrau wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious

Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself.

I mean, some carries are still better than other, but let's say a team has a performance rating of 90/100. Changing from random_carry_12 (random carry being any TI3 carry, I'd even say any professional carry) to Burning will put them to 93 or something. While changing their support player from Chuan to random_support_22 will make them go from 90 to 75. Not sure it explains things right but anyway...

Carry doesn't make a difference?

- http://dotabuff.com/matches/263300623 -

Now go eat your words.
What can change the nature of a man?
Fatalize
Profile Joined January 2011
France5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:33:11
August 29 2013 21:32 GMT
#2463
On August 30 2013 06:30 renfree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:54 MrCon wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:48 andyrau wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious

Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself.

I mean, some carries are still better than other, but let's say a team has a performance rating of 90/100. Changing from random_carry_12 (random carry being any TI3 carry, I'd even say any professional carry) to Burning will put them to 93 or something. While changing their support player from Chuan to random_support_22 will make them go from 90 to 75. Not sure it explains things right but anyway...

Carry doesn't make a difference?

- http://dotabuff.com/matches/263300623 -

Now go eat your words.

Weaver is different in that he can start getting kills and making plays much earlier than let's say Antimage or PL (although teams tend to play a lot of those like naix and alch who can get kills quickly) so it doesnt really show the common impact of a carry player

Also it's kind of a bad example since pretty much everybody in this thread agrees that Burning is probably the best carry
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
August 29 2013 21:36 GMT
#2464
i dont

burning farms like no other, that doesnt make him the best carry player

ppl flaming loda is literally the dumbest shit ive read in this forum for quite some time
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
August 29 2013 21:36 GMT
#2465
On August 30 2013 06:13 GranDGranT wrote:
People flaming Loda, simply amazing

I'll keep doing so until that douche is going to invest that TI3 money into a fucking proper haircut.
EHOME 2010 never forget EHOME.GIGABYTE.AAA B-God In BurNing we trust BurNing your soul DK 2011-2014
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
August 29 2013 21:37 GMT
#2466
I don't think Loda is bad at all
He's just an easy target for people because all the other 4 players in Alliance shine so damn bright.
dats racist
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:41:38
August 29 2013 21:40 GMT
#2467
On August 30 2013 06:30 renfree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:54 MrCon wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:48 andyrau wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious

Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself.

I mean, some carries are still better than other, but let's say a team has a performance rating of 90/100. Changing from random_carry_12 (random carry being any TI3 carry, I'd even say any professional carry) to Burning will put them to 93 or something. While changing their support player from Chuan to random_support_22 will make them go from 90 to 75. Not sure it explains things right but anyway...

Carry doesn't make a difference?

- http://dotabuff.com/matches/263300623 -

Now go eat your words.

I don't understand how it could have any relevance to anything I posted. Perhaps it would have more impact with a line or two of explanation. Or perhaps any other than Burning in those conditions would have ended up beyond godlike.
I could post the burning weaver game where he fed the whole game 1vs1, it would still have no relevance whatsoever..
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:43:42
August 29 2013 21:41 GMT
#2468
On August 30 2013 06:32 Fatalize wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 06:30 renfree wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:54 MrCon wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:48 andyrau wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious

Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself.

I mean, some carries are still better than other, but let's say a team has a performance rating of 90/100. Changing from random_carry_12 (random carry being any TI3 carry, I'd even say any professional carry) to Burning will put them to 93 or something. While changing their support player from Chuan to random_support_22 will make them go from 90 to 75. Not sure it explains things right but anyway...

Carry doesn't make a difference?

- http://dotabuff.com/matches/263300623 -

Now go eat your words.

Weaver is different in that he can start getting kills and making plays much earlier than let's say Antimage or PL (although teams tend to play a lot of those like naix and alch who can get kills quickly) so it doesnt really show the common impact of a carry player

Also it's kind of a bad example since pretty much everybody in this thread agrees that Burning is probably the best carry

I just gave an example to the guy, who was telling, that BurNIng can't carry if his team is doing poorly. That example is from TI3, where Zenith were leading 15-4 and several towers by 25 mins mark, and BurNIng singlehandedly carried the team on his back (they lost both mid and offlane horribly, Super and rOtK were feeding).

On August 30 2013 06:40 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 06:30 renfree wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:54 MrCon wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:48 andyrau wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious

Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself.

I mean, some carries are still better than other, but let's say a team has a performance rating of 90/100. Changing from random_carry_12 (random carry being any TI3 carry, I'd even say any professional carry) to Burning will put them to 93 or something. While changing their support player from Chuan to random_support_22 will make them go from 90 to 75. Not sure it explains things right but anyway...

Carry doesn't make a difference?

- http://dotabuff.com/matches/263300623 -

Now go eat your words.

I don't understand how it could have any relevance to anything I posted. Perhaps it would have more impact with a line or two of explanation. Or perhaps any other than Burning in those conditions would have ended up beyond godlike.
I could post the burning weaver game where he fed the whole game 1vs1, it would still have no relevance whatsoever..

Maybe go watch the game? Its TI3, the replay is ready and available.
What can change the nature of a man?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 29 2013 21:43 GMT
#2469
What I really learned from renfree's post was that Ice is tagged up as [Razer]Orange.Ice

Could be a joke or it could be I'm out of touch, but INFOS yay.
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treeqt
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany237 Posts
August 29 2013 21:45 GMT
#2470
On August 30 2013 06:19 Comeh wrote:
Guys guys.

You are talking about a LEGENDARY player here.

Don't disrespect him.


ok calm down stephen a

On August 30 2013 06:18 AwfuL_ wrote:
Talk about carries aside (let's face it everyone thinks their favorite players or those on their favorite teams are the better carries, what a surprise), aui_2000 moving to KP makes me wonder. Surely going from a respected sponsor, Dignitas, to what has until now been a rag-tag unsponsored team of random players from two continents, would be a massive downgrade for him. If he is really joining KP, that makes me think that KP has found the sponsor they have been looking for.


the current kp is a much much better team than dignitas

On August 30 2013 06:24 Fleuria wrote:
he's a top notch player but he has problably 2 of the top 5 supports in the lane with him.


make that top 3
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:48:47
August 29 2013 21:47 GMT
#2471
On August 30 2013 06:41 renfree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 06:32 Fatalize wrote:
On August 30 2013 06:30 renfree wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:54 MrCon wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:48 andyrau wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious

Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself.

I mean, some carries are still better than other, but let's say a team has a performance rating of 90/100. Changing from random_carry_12 (random carry being any TI3 carry, I'd even say any professional carry) to Burning will put them to 93 or something. While changing their support player from Chuan to random_support_22 will make them go from 90 to 75. Not sure it explains things right but anyway...

Carry doesn't make a difference?

- http://dotabuff.com/matches/263300623 -

Now go eat your words.

Weaver is different in that he can start getting kills and making plays much earlier than let's say Antimage or PL (although teams tend to play a lot of those like naix and alch who can get kills quickly) so it doesnt really show the common impact of a carry player

Also it's kind of a bad example since pretty much everybody in this thread agrees that Burning is probably the best carry

I just gave an example to the guy, who was telling, that BurNIng can't carry if his team is doing poorly. That example is from TI3, where Zenith were leading 15-4 and several towers by 25 mins mark, and BurNIng singlehandedly carried the team on his back (they lost both mid and offlane horribly, Super and rOtK were feeding).

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 06:40 MrCon wrote:
On August 30 2013 06:30 renfree wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:54 MrCon wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:48 andyrau wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious

Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself.

I mean, some carries are still better than other, but let's say a team has a performance rating of 90/100. Changing from random_carry_12 (random carry being any TI3 carry, I'd even say any professional carry) to Burning will put them to 93 or something. While changing their support player from Chuan to random_support_22 will make them go from 90 to 75. Not sure it explains things right but anyway...

Carry doesn't make a difference?

- http://dotabuff.com/matches/263300623 -

Now go eat your words.

I don't understand how it could have any relevance to anything I posted. Perhaps it would have more impact with a line or two of explanation. Or perhaps any other than Burning in those conditions would have ended up beyond godlike.
I could post the burning weaver game where he fed the whole game 1vs1, it would still have no relevance whatsoever..

Maybe go watch the game? Its TI3, the replay is ready and available.

But a single match example can't disprove (or prove) what I said. Burning carried his team in a game at TI, nice, but it still has no relevance to the discussion. It isn't about Burning skill, it's about burning (or the others) being interchangeable without much repercussion. I'm not saying burning is bad or other nonsense like that here.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
August 29 2013 21:50 GMT
#2472
Vanskor confirmed as Empire's 4th
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
August 29 2013 21:55 GMT
#2473
On August 30 2013 06:50 Asha` wrote:
Vanskor confirmed as Empire's 4th

Source? And I thought that Sunlight + fng were pretty much the guaranteed support duo. I liked watching those two together, and Vanskor in recent months has been super unimpressive (I'll admit that back when Rox.Kis wasn't incredibly bad he was looking pretty decent).
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
August 29 2013 21:56 GMT
#2474
On August 30 2013 06:55 Witten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 06:50 Asha` wrote:
Vanskor confirmed as Empire's 4th

Source? And I thought that Sunlight + fng were pretty much the guaranteed support duo. I liked watching those two together, and Vanskor in recent months has been super unimpressive (I'll admit that back when Rox.Kis wasn't incredibly bad he was looking pretty decent).


http://www.team-empire.org/news/1414/
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
August 29 2013 21:57 GMT
#2475
Why people can't accept that carries players have different roles? You can't compare xboct and burning like you can't compare dendi and s4.

You can rate players, in my opinion, for their mechanics, map awareness, decision making, reflex, hero pool, etc.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 29 2013 21:58 GMT
#2476
So now ZeroGravity is announcing the announcement of an announcement on twitter ><

Alex Kokhanovskyy
‏@zerogravity_ua
The announcement of announcement will appear early next week.
Kosak
Profile Joined August 2013
Czech Republic193 Posts
August 29 2013 22:02 GMT
#2477
On August 30 2013 00:04 Kosak wrote:
speculation #1337: smile back to na'vi to replace kuroky?!!!!!!!!!!!!

if my prediction will be correct, I want a free cookie
it's good to be the king
ne0lith
Profile Joined August 2011
537 Posts
August 29 2013 22:14 GMT
#2478
On August 30 2013 07:02 Kosak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 00:04 Kosak wrote:
speculation #1337: smile back to na'vi to replace kuroky?!!!!!!!!!!!!

if my prediction will be correct, I want a free cookie


That's like the easiest prediction in the world to make, don't you dare come near my cookies.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 29 2013 22:16 GMT
#2479
BurNing is the best carry in this universe. 1v9 all day every day.

Just feel like shouting out that.

Mushi seems like for real joining DK??? I mean who else needs a mid like the current DK (with only BurNing left).
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
August 29 2013 22:29 GMT
#2480
On August 30 2013 07:16 BurningSera wrote:
BurNing is the best carry in this universe. 1v9 all day every day.

Just feel like shouting out that.

Mushi seems like for real joining DK??? I mean who else needs a mid like the current DK (with only BurNing left).


LGD could bring him in with Sylar gone (assuming he is gone, which I sincerely hope he is not)
and Rattlesnakes or VG, though I don't think Mushi would take either of those deals
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