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zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
August 29 2013 20:37 GMT
#2441
On August 30 2013 05:33 Erasme wrote:
Rofl, if you truly believe that Loda isnt a top3 worldwide carry, then you're a fool
tc is a weaker version of loda (way)


You could replace Loda with TC on allience and there would be no difference at all. S4, Akke, Bulldog, and EGM are that good.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 20:50:47
August 29 2013 20:43 GMT
#2442
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences. I mean most of the time the carry doesn't make the difference in any game, if Burning is farmed every TI3 carries would have been farmed nearly the same. Some like xbox are very stylistic and he's perhaps one exception.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
August 29 2013 20:48 GMT
#2443
You shouldn't and can't judge Loda just on his "carry" potential.
Loda as a whole is of unmeasurable worth to [A].
wat
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
August 29 2013 20:48 GMT
#2444
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 29 2013 20:53 GMT
#2445
Loda has the leadership to rule these swedes and he is the smallest burden for s4 in drafting,

loda: 'i can play whatever bro'.

Funny to remember the series they played DK, Game1 loda played AM but burning played alche, and then Game2 loda said ill give you AM and I can show you how to play Alche and then he gets owned.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
maddawg310
Profile Joined August 2013
United States4 Posts
August 29 2013 20:53 GMT
#2446
Liquid will probably switch up qojqva and bulba, when they have clock, bulba will offlane, when they pick lone druid or nature's prophet, qojqva will offlane.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
August 29 2013 20:54 GMT
#2447
On August 30 2013 05:53 maddawg310 wrote:
Liquid will probably switch up qojqva and bulba, when they have clock, bulba will offlane, when they pick lone druid or nature's prophet, qojqva will offlane.

clock can be a mid too
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:02:53
August 29 2013 20:54 GMT
#2448
On August 30 2013 05:48 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious

Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself.

I mean, some carries are still better than other, but let's say a team has a performance rating of 90/100. Changing from random_carry_12 (random carry being any TI3 carry, I'd even say any professional carry) to Burning will put them to 93 or something. While changing their support player from Chuan to random_support_22 will make them go from 90 to 75. Not sure it explains things right but anyway...
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
August 29 2013 20:57 GMT
#2449
On August 30 2013 05:53 BurningSera wrote:
Loda has the leadership to rule these swedes and he is the smallest burden for s4 in drafting,

loda: 'i can play whatever bro'.

Funny to remember the series they played DK, Game1 loda played AM but burning played alche, and then Game2 loda said ill give you AM and I can show you how to play Alche and then he gets owned.


Burning ended with a Higher GPM and XPM in every one of those games too if i Remember correctly.
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
treeqt
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany237 Posts
August 29 2013 20:59 GMT
#2450
On August 30 2013 05:54 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:48 andyrau wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious

Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself.


No kidding, there is more to playing a carry than right clicking creeps. It's not fucking 2007 anymore.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:20:14
August 29 2013 21:00 GMT
#2451
On August 30 2013 05:59 treeqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:54 MrCon wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:48 andyrau wrote:
On August 30 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote:
You could replace any carry by any other carry and there would be no difference at all imo. Not only Loda but all of them, burning included. Well there would be minor differences.

wut
r u just being facetious

Not at all. Nowadays most carries are given a free farm lane, at 10 minutes burning will have 3 last hits more than Loda or another, carries are no longer the players who make the difference in any team (except perhaps xbox). burning changing role to 3 is very telling. When DK was slumping, Burning could not carry them despite not slumping himself.


No kidding, there is more to playing a carry than right clicking creeps. It's not fucking 2007 anymore.

I know, I nearly removed that sentence because I knew someone would answer this, it wasn't a good example. But actually "it isn't 2007 anymore" is right to my point. In 2007 building a team around a top carry made sense, now the game changed a lot and put more emphasis on the other positions imo. [A] losing anyone would be a catastrophe, A losing Loda would be inconvenient. (not the best example as Loda is also a big asset to A)
The times where your carry loses his relic and has the time to farm another and go win the game are long gone.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
August 29 2013 21:04 GMT
#2452
Midgame carry play is currently the second most important thing differentiating teams at the moment IMO (First being an offlaner capable of changing the game on Prophet).

One of the most consistently impressive things from TI3 was the way Loda would involve himself midgame in order to help his team out (no matter what carry he was actually on), without sacrificing his farm TOO badly. Sure, having Bulldog/S4 helps take the midgame pressure off, but the way he interacts and is able to play WITH the team instead of AROUND the team is truly impressive.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 29 2013 21:13 GMT
#2453
On August 30 2013 06:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
Midgame carry play is currently the second most important thing differentiating teams at the moment IMO (First being an offlaner capable of changing the game on Prophet).

One of the most consistently impressive things from TI3 was the way Loda would involve himself midgame in order to help his team out (no matter what carry he was actually on), without sacrificing his farm TOO badly. Sure, having Bulldog/S4 helps take the midgame pressure off, but the way he interacts and is able to play WITH the team instead of AROUND the team is truly impressive.

Yeah. And as strange as it sounds, he also make space for his supports to farm in the midgame while usually it's the reverse.
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
August 29 2013 21:13 GMT
#2454
People flaming Loda, simply amazing
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
August 29 2013 21:17 GMT
#2455
No one is flaming loda. The argument is whether or not carries in general make a massive difference, which imo they do, but whatever ~
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 29 2013 21:17 GMT
#2456
On August 30 2013 05:37 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:33 Erasme wrote:
Rofl, if you truly believe that Loda isnt a top3 worldwide carry, then you're a fool
tc is a weaker version of loda (way)


You could replace Loda with TC on alliance and there would be no difference at all. S4, Akke, Bulldog, and EGM are that good.


I'd say they're all pretty good players. Look, a team is only as good as their weakest player. I really don't have anything bad to say about their roster.
AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
August 29 2013 21:18 GMT
#2457
Talk about carries aside (let's face it everyone thinks their favorite players or those on their favorite teams are the better carries, what a surprise), aui_2000 moving to KP makes me wonder. Surely going from a respected sponsor, Dignitas, to what has until now been a rag-tag unsponsored team of random players from two continents, would be a massive downgrade for him. If he is really joining KP, that makes me think that KP has found the sponsor they have been looking for.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:19:15
August 29 2013 21:19 GMT
#2458
Guys guys.

You are talking about a LEGENDARY player here.

Don't disrespect him.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 29 2013 21:19 GMT
#2459
On August 30 2013 05:54 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:53 maddawg310 wrote:
Liquid will probably switch up qojqva and bulba, when they have clock, bulba will offlane, when they pick lone druid or nature's prophet, qojqva will offlane.

clock can be a mid too

pretty sure bulba wants to play his tinker as well if that just so happens to fit the draft
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Fleuria
Profile Joined April 2011
England466 Posts
August 29 2013 21:24 GMT
#2460
Loda wins 1.4mil dollars and people flame him, he's a top notch player but he has problably 2 of the top 5 supports in the lane with him so even if he plays horribly, they can generally get him back in the game and like people have previously mentioned some how he still manages to let egm get farm to farm his famous naga support up.
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