EPTThe post-TI3 Roster Shuffle thread - Page 121
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canikizu
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:06 Rho_ wrote: Wait, what is up with the TL roster? I thought it was just Korok thinking about leaving? its not official yet but everyone knows that liquid has changed, mike and korok are gone | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:03 Klonere wrote: whats up with people thinking xboct isn't a good carry, i thought this got debunked just before and during TI3 it's one of those mantras that xboct is a crazy feeder and bad player that gets repeated and joked enough about that hivemind people with no actual dota knowledge end up believing. xboct is a godlike carry even with his random bad games in insignificant online tournaments he doesn't practice for. | ||
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treeqt
Germany237 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:03 Klonere wrote: whats up with people thinking xboct isn't a good carry, i thought this got debunked just before and during TI3 just like people exaggerated before alienware cup they are exaggerating now. just in the other direction. he is a good player but no top 5 carry as of ti3. he comes in just after that though. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:44 treeqt wrote: just like people exaggerated before alienware cup they are exaggerating now. just in the other direction. he is a good player but no top 5 carry as of ti3. he comes in just after that though. pretty useless statement, not only would it be contested that he isn't a top 5 carry, i'd be even harder to name a carry that would fit better into Na'Vi's playstyle. who are the 5 that are in absolute skill better than xboct? Now who of them would be a better fit for Na'Vi's play style? Na'Vi.Sylar would be pretty fucking ass. | ||
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treeqt
Germany237 Posts
Although if you replaced Dendi with Sylar and XBOCT with Hao/Burning/Zhou/Mushi/... ^_^ | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:44 treeqt wrote: just like people exaggerated before alienware cup they are exaggerating now. just in the other direction. he is a good player but no top 5 carry as of ti3. he comes in just after that though. Who would you rank above Havost ? Loda, Burning, Sylar maybe Hao ? Zhou had a disappointing showing, Black did not have a show at all. Not even top 5 is quite harsh and quite random for a carry who has been in 3 TI finals, and was still top 2 in this one. Edit : Oh I forgot about Mushi, too used to think of him as a mid player. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
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URLateral
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treeqt
Germany237 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:54 Gevna wrote: Who would you rank above Havost ? Loda, Burning, Sylar maybe Hao ? Zhou had a disappointing showing, Black did not have a show at all. Not even top 5 is quite harsh and quite random for a carry who has been in 3 TI finals, and was still top 2 in this one. Edit : Oh I forgot about Mushi, too used to think of him as a mid player. Those exact 5. I don't think that's too unreasonable. And to be fair I don't think there is any doubt that he was top 3 at TI2. And then again, being good on paper only brings you so far. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On August 30 2013 04:03 treeqt wrote: Those exact 5. I don't think that's too unreasonable. And to be fair I don't think there is any doubt that he was top 3 at TI2. And then again, being good on paper only brings you so far. Honestly? I was also very impressed by both Korok and TC are TI3 as well. | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
his play is so sloppy compared to truly world class carries - not that he is bad by any means but to rate him as a top 5 is a bit of a stretch. just because his team wins doesn't automatically qualify him as a strong carry, and he plays very poorly from behind. Fear, black, zhou, tc, pajkatt are all contenders for his place in the top 5. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On August 30 2013 04:11 andyrau wrote: why do people rate Loda so highly his play is so sloppy compared to truly world class carries - not that he is bad by any means but to rate him as a top 5 is a bit of a stretch. just because his team wins doesn't automatically qualify him as a strong carry, and he plays very poorly from behind. Fear, black, zhou, tc, pajkatt are all contenders for his place in the top 5. He's had a really good couple of months. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Alex Kokhanovskyy @zerogravity_ua The announcement of announcement will appear early next week. Probably as well done as the last one. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
LMAO I love it. | ||
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Lodasrecedinhairline
United Kingdom165 Posts
Lets face it, Korok won TL so many games but also lost them so many games as well. I think of Korok as Demon of TL, if he performs well, the team will likely win. I remember the game they played against EG when Korok got crushed by Demon's Kunkka mid lane in game 1 over and over and his CK also got shut down so hard and his death after a bb gave EG an easy win. This is almost the exact same case as Demon in EG. So finding his replacement shouldn't be really about skill but more about the playstyle and Qojqva doesn't look like a type of player that play like Korok or Demon. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On August 30 2013 04:32 Lodasrecedinhairline wrote: I'm going to get flamed so hard for this but I'm sure some non biased fans will agree with me on this. When it comes to Qojqva over Korok, it's not about the skill. But it's about the consistency and the more suited playstyle with Fluff and the team. Lets face it, Korok won TL so many games but also lost them so many games as well. I think of Korok as Demon of TL, if he performs well, the team will likely win. I remember the game they played against EG when Korok got crushed by Demon's Kunkka mid lane in game 1 over and over and his CK also got shut down so hard and his death after a bb gave EG an easy win. This is almost the exact same case as Demon in EG. So finding his replacement shouldn't be really about skill but more about the playstyle and Qojqva doesn't look like a type of player that play like Korok or Demon. Thats exactly why. I don't see why you'd get flamed for that. The only thing is that comparing Korok to Demon isn't something many people (including me) can agree with. Leave it at a stylistic difference. Korok was too aggressive for the rest of liquid. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
you can tell it by the way he doesnt get caught | ||
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
On August 30 2013 04:32 Lodasrecedinhairline wrote: I'm going to get flamed so hard for this but I'm sure some non biased fans will agree with me on this. When it comes to Qojqva over Korok, it's not about the skill. But it's about the consistency and the more suited playstyle with Fluff and the team. Lets face it, Korok won TL so many games but also lost them so many games as well. I think of Korok as Demon of TL, if he performs well, the team will likely win. I remember the game they played against EG when Korok got crushed by Demon's Kunkka mid lane in game 1 over and over and his CK also got shut down so hard and his death after a bb gave EG an easy win. This is almost the exact same case as Demon in EG. So finding his replacement shouldn't be really about skill but more about the playstyle and Qojqva doesn't look like a type of player that play like Korok or Demon. True, but its just sad to see Korok go. I think he has the ability to grow more conservative (seems like he was becoming that near TI3 more, sadly TC drafting ruined the team) - so I hate to see Korok go to another team where he is going to beast it up. The issue is that without Korok, Bulba is mid now, and Bulba is not Korok. So that might be a drop off. My main problem with qojqva is the cross-server team.. I don't like that one bit, scared of how it will play out. but a great natures prophet player will help Liquid.. | ||
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