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Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
September 17 2013 22:09 GMT
#181
Halo 2 era mlg events were so fun. I miss that.
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
September 17 2013 22:13 GMT
#182
kinda off conversation:

was there ever announcements about the official EG/TL lineups?
theres been all that speculation, but what are the finalized rosters (if any)?
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 22:15:41
September 17 2013 22:15 GMT
#183
On September 18 2013 07:13 JerKy wrote:
kinda off conversation:

was there ever announcements about the official EG/TL lineups?
theres been all that speculation, but what are the finalized rosters (if any)?


No announcements or confirmations whatsoever.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 17 2013 22:16 GMT
#184
On September 18 2013 07:08 Two_DoWn wrote:
Only team missing is KP.

Realistically the top teams coming out of TI3 are Alliance and Navi.

KP has the results pre and post TI3 to deserve a spot over the likes of TL and ESPECIALLY EG.

If you want to go based on internal scrims, then TL deserves the spot, but again, so does KP as reputedly the second strongest scrim team atm.

If you want to go to China for the last spot fine, but then KP REALLY becomes an oversight in front of EG.


Am I missing something? Didn't TL exceed expectations at TI3? Maybe it's different now with Sing, but originally I wouldn't have invited KP over Liquid.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 17 2013 22:16 GMT
#185
On September 18 2013 07:13 JerKy wrote:
kinda off conversation:

was there ever announcements about the official EG/TL lineups?
theres been all that speculation, but what are the finalized rosters (if any)?

From what we know, TL at this point has dropped Korok and picked up qjova (and I believe that is it)

EG is Jeyo, Demon, Universe, Fear, and an unknown 5th.

It is speculated the EG fifth is MSS (although unconfirmed he has gotten clearance from his parents), or recently some talk that Mike is moving from TL to EG, with no word on who would be replacing mike in TL.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
September 17 2013 22:16 GMT
#186
On September 18 2013 07:08 Two_DoWn wrote:
Only team missing is KP.

Realistically the top teams coming out of TI3 are Alliance and Navi.

KP has the results pre and post TI3 to deserve a spot over the likes of TL and ESPECIALLY EG.

If you want to go based on internal scrims, then TL deserves the spot, but again, so does KP as reputedly the second strongest scrim team atm.

If you want to go to China for the last spot fine, but then KP REALLY becomes an oversight in front of EG.

you are going about it a wee bit wrong considering they are trying to bring crowds / eyes.. that doesn't always mesh with who is 'best' at any given point.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 17 2013 22:20 GMT
#187
On September 18 2013 07:16 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 07:08 Two_DoWn wrote:
Only team missing is KP.

Realistically the top teams coming out of TI3 are Alliance and Navi.

KP has the results pre and post TI3 to deserve a spot over the likes of TL and ESPECIALLY EG.

If you want to go based on internal scrims, then TL deserves the spot, but again, so does KP as reputedly the second strongest scrim team atm.

If you want to go to China for the last spot fine, but then KP REALLY becomes an oversight in front of EG.

you are going about it a wee bit wrong considering they are trying to bring crowds / eyes.. that doesn't always mesh with who is 'best' at any given point.

Then again the correct answer is KP over EG. And at this point it isnt even close.

EG is the worst American team that you would categorize as Tier 2, and KP has much higher popularity currently with Sing/EE/Aui.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 17 2013 22:42 GMT
#188
Ok, KP fan boys, we get it. KP is god tier when it compared to anyone who wasn't in the finals of TI3. They are super awesome and should be invited because they would bring unlimited fans and girls thrown bras up onto the stage. We get it. Trust us, we get it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 17 2013 22:54 GMT
#189
On September 18 2013 07:42 Plansix wrote:
Ok, KP fan boys, we get it. KP is god tier when it compared to anyone who wasn't in the finals of TI3. They are super awesome and should be invited because they would bring unlimited fans and girls thrown bras up onto the stage. We get it. Trust us, we get it.

When all else fails, resort to sarcasm and hyperbole, well done.

I fail to see how you can put together a list of the top teams of the past month and not have, in some order, Alliance, Navi, Fnatic, and KP?

There are no other teams in the west worthy of an invite based on quality of play from TI3 and following.

EG didnt make TI3, and if you want to argue TL should be there you need to go back to the unsubstantiated rumors that TL is the strongest western team in scrims at the moment, because they havent played enough following TI3 to show that their new lineup is ACTUALLY any good (because sorry, if you blow up your lineup, you need to prove your new one is as good as your last in order to actually get respect.)

Currently, not a single chinese team has demonstrated their new lineup is any good beyond paper (go watch the Sina cup). Alliance, Navi, and Fnatic were all the 3 best european teams coming from TI3, with no roster changes. We havent seen shit from EG or TL, beyond that TL is supposedly the new best team in the world.

I wouldnt consider myself a KP fanboi, but I fail to see how you can put a list of the top teams in the world together, AT THIS MOMENT, without having KP higher than TL and EG, and possibly even Fnatic?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 23:02:15
September 17 2013 22:57 GMT
#190
I'm not sure that Two_DoWn post can qualify him as a fanboy, I'm not even sure that it's wrong to say that KP has more popularity than EG dota at the moment. I don't know actually. I think it's close ? Well if EG had a match tomorrow it sure would be popular because of the novelty, but in term of fanbase, I really don't know. I mean to be a fan of EG dota you really have to be an hardcore fan right now, they have no roster, no competitive match registered in the last 3 months. I guess EG would win the popularity contest on the american soil tho. But I'm not sure a lot of people will go to this MLG because EG is there (which was the point). Most will go because Navi and Alliance, a lot will go because it's dota and good teams and close to where they live. EG will be good to have, but you could replace it with KP and have the same crowd and sell the same amount of dotaTV tickets imo.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 17 2013 23:10 GMT
#191
Realistically, the EG invite was likely forced by EG in order to have Alliance show up. So those 2 were gonna be tied no matter what, even though EG is throughly undeserving.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 17 2013 23:15 GMT
#192
I don't know about that, a MLG without EG would be pretty shocking imo, I think MLG would have invited EG with or without Alliance :o
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
September 17 2013 23:26 GMT
#193
I want to see KP at a LAN so bad and they could put up hell of a fight, but let's face it, MLG is not going to pay for all those flights from Europe. If Kaipi had any sponsors MLG might have considered them.
Fanbase wise, Kaipi has exploded after TI3. Sing joining, EE-sama thing, and them kicking ass has propelled them to Fnatic/EG level at least. Aui and EE get over 1k viewers regularly and Sing is obviously Sing.
Regarding sponsors, EE said that the reason sponsors aren't approaching is because organizations think their NA+EU line up is potentially unstable. I guess it can lead to problems like this.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 23:27:56
September 17 2013 23:27 GMT
#194
On September 18 2013 08:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
Realistically, the EG invite was likely forced by EG in order to have Alliance show up. So those 2 were gonna be tied no matter what, even though EG is throughly undeserving.
Lets just make random shit up why don't we, this post isn't filled with enough nonsense already.

I bet they only invited Na'Vi because of the Ukranian mob.
Once you Goblak...
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
September 17 2013 23:34 GMT
#195
EG isn't even that bad. Why do people think they are? They made it to the semi finals of dreamhack, the last big tournament before TI3. They almost made it to TI3 through qualifiers by stomping the eventual winners in their first meeting, and before that, they nearly got the invite to china through G-1 champions qualifiers. They are definitely underperforming and haven't played since TI3, but that doesn't mean they're suddenly shit tier bad now (3 of the same roster, 1 upgrade).

That, in combination with their fans, is more than enough of a reason to invite them to MLG.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Evil_Geniuses

They definitely have results in the months leading up to TI3 (the last time most teams have played).
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 23:39:42
September 17 2013 23:35 GMT
#196
If I was KP, I would contact MLG and say I'm ready to pay for my travel and accommodation myself. I don't know or think that MLG considered KP, but it seems the 8th team isn't finalized yet (?). EE tweeted that he hoped to get an invite, but my guess would be he's just hoping and had no contact with MLG whatsoever. He should hire an agent for his team or something, at least someone who can be publicly contacted (by hire I mean find someone who'd do it for free =D ).
Oxyoxygen
Profile Joined June 2010
United States68 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 23:44:23
September 17 2013 23:40 GMT
#197
Yeah not sure why all the EG hate they finished top 3 in almost every tournament in the few months before TI3 sure they didnt take first in any of them but still good results none the less.

Thier competitive match elo on GG.net is still higher then fnatic, kp and dignitas.
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/rankings

EG was also the last team that beat Alliance in a BO3 before their ongoing 19 match streak? Not sure how accurate that one is as i am again going off the gg.net match history.

Seems like a pretty decent team if you ask me.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 23:47:41
September 17 2013 23:44 GMT
#198
On September 18 2013 08:40 Oxyoxygen wrote:
Yeah not sure why all the EG hate they finished top 3 in almost every tournament in the few months before TI3 sure they didnt take first in any of them but still good results none the less.

Thier competitive match elo on GG.net is still higher then fnatic, kp and dignitas.
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/rankings

EG was also the last team that beat Alliance in a BO3 before their ongoing 19 match streak? Not sure how accurate that one is as i am again going off the gg.net match history.

That's not a huge factor for the KP fans, who just want to see them there. Real concrete numbers are can be disputed by saying that KP would beat the current, unknown EG roster.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 17 2013 23:45 GMT
#199
Listen up fanbois, if KP had Col. In front of their name instead they would be invited, but you don't invite a group of 20 something year old kids 3 of which live across the ocean to your event without some kind of accountability and in this case accountability comes by having a reputable team tag in front of your name. Yes KP is all that is good with dota and even I would like to see them there but if you can't understand why they weren't invited then try to do some critical thinking for once instead of just crying in this thread.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 17 2013 23:57 GMT
#200
No one said EG is bad I think ? No one can know if they're good or bad anyway as they have no lineup.
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